If God were real, you wouldn’t need a book

Good question...that last one.

By the same token...why believe there are no gods?
A lack of evidence. I've never seen a god. I've never witnessed an act of a god as claimed in religious books and I find it "odd" that gods were so active a couple thousand years ago and then utterly vanished. I don't think it's a coincidence that ancient man, who was scared and confused by the world around him, came up with thousands of gods while modern man, because of scientific advancements, is significantly less scared and confused by the world around, him has come up with basically none. Science has found no evidence of gods that I'm aware of.

This is why I asked about a level of confidence because all "beliefs" aren't equal and the evidence for gods is low in quantity and poor in quality.
 
So....not written by God, written by fallible men.
The Bible isn't a historical treatise.
The high school or college educated person recognizes there are different literary genres: parable, metaphor, hyperbole, poetry, historical narrative, etc.

The archeological data on the ground does not support a historicity of mass destruction and genocide in the archaic period. The most reasonable literary interpretation is that the Hebrew scribes were using hyperbole and literary licence.

Your strict biblical literalism and your repeated claims of mass genocide are not supported by the data on the ground.

By using high school and college level reasoning, and using the tools of literary criticism our teachers were supposed to teach us.

When Jesus said he was the door, he didn't literally mean he had hinges and a door knob.

Using the tools of literary criticism you were supposed to learn in high school and college, you should be able to reasonably ascertain what is parable, what is metaphor, what is hyperbole, what is poetry, what is historical narrative.

No, it was not Christian. That is why the abolition movement was spearheaded by British Christians and Northern Christians.

Morality is what you ought to do. Humans very frequently do not do what they ought to do.

Hardly anyone on this board follows the golden rule, even though our conscience tells us we should. You can't be on this board for 20 minutes without getting insulted or cussed at.

The fact that you hate the Hebrew Bible does absolutely nothing to disprove or undermine the possibility that a mathematically rational and lawful universe was caused by an underlying rational agency.
Obviously, you have never read the Bible. You are making a lot of shit up and you are ignoring a lot of what is in the Bible.
 
I don't see how that answers my question about God/divine Jesus (vs human Jesus).

The Bible claims, and Christians believe, that there is only one real god in the universe
The Bible never made any such claim.
and all the rest are fictional, despite there being stories and writings about them. So, why should anyone believe, if the Bible is full of made up stories, that the God of those stories is any more real than Zeus, Aphrodite, etc?
Circular argument fallacy (fundamentalism).
And, again, you add the made up stories to the laundry list of other inconsistencies in the Bible and it all starts to sound more and more like fairytales.
There are no fairies in the Bible.
 
No, I don't believe it's a blind guess. I believe there is virtually no evidence for the existence of gods, specifically the ones man has written about, so NOT believing is the logical conclusion, not a blind guess. I also wouldn't say it's a "blind guess" to say unicorns don't exist, for much the same reason it's not a blind guess to say gods don't exist.

Those who believe in a god are the the ones much close to blind guessing, hence their "faith".
You cannot make any evidence just disappear, Void.
Attempted negative proof fallacy.
 
Rephrase the question, because I don't see it

You are confusing metaphor, parable, poetry, hyperbole with lies and fabrications.

Metaphor, poetry, allegory, parable are universally used by humans to articulate universal truths and profound insights.

This is what should have been taught by high school and college literature teachers.

None of your complaints about a few passages in the Hebrew Bible does anything to support atheism. And it definitely doesn't disprove, undermine, dismiss the possibility of a lawful and mathematically rational universe being caused by a rational agency.
What 'Universal Truths'??
He is not an atheist.
The Universe is unorganized. The Universe is not a law. The Universe is not mathematics. The Universe is not logic. The Universe is not an agency.
 
You didn't respond to the most important aspect of my question - the level of confidence.

So, of all the things that you accept as true, are you equally confident in all of them? I'm not referring to only my examples.

For example, you have a level of confidence regarding whether or not Santa Clause is real and you have a level of confidence regarding whether or not there are aliens somewhere in the universe. Are you equally confident in your opinion of those two?
Santa Clause was real. He was a cardinal in what is now Turkey.
There are aliens right here in the United States. Some of them are illegal. Some of them abduct people and rape them.
ICE is doing what it can to jail and/or deport them.
 
A lack of evidence. I've never seen a god. I've never witnessed an act of a god as claimed in religious books and I find it "odd" that gods were so active a couple thousand years ago and then utterly vanished. I don't think it's a coincidence that ancient man, who was scared and confused by the world around him, came up with thousands of gods while modern man, because of scientific advancements, is significantly less scared and confused by the world around, him has come up with basically none. Science has found no evidence of gods that I'm aware of.

This is why I asked about a level of confidence because all "beliefs" aren't equal and the evidence for gods is low in quantity and poor in quality.
Evidence is not a quantity.
You can't make any evidence just disappear.
Attempted negative proof fallacy.
 
You didn't respond to the most important aspect of my question - the level of confidence.

So, of all the things that you accept as true, are you equally confident in all of them? I'm not referring to only my examples.

For example, you have a level of confidence regarding whether or not Santa Clause is real and you have a level of confidence regarding whether or not there are aliens somewhere in the universe. Are you equally confident in your opinion of those two?
I have a 100% level of confidence that I do not know if any gods exist or not.

That is what we have been discussing.

If you want to discuss Santa Claus...do it with one of your peers. Be careful around grammar schools, though. You can get in lots of trouble without even trying.

As for aliens somewhere in the universe...I propose this. Ask any astronomer if there are any sentient being that exist on any of the planets circling the nearest 20 stars to Sol. My guess is that no matter how many you ask, ALL will say "I do not know." And if you asked them to blindly guess...MOST, if not all will laugh at you.
 
I have a 100% level of confidence that I do not know if any gods exist or not.

That is what we have been discussing.

If you want to discuss Santa Claus...do it with one of your peers. Be careful around grammar schools, though. You can get in lots of trouble without even trying.

As for aliens somewhere in the universe...I propose this. Ask any astronomer if there are any sentient being that exist on any of the planets circling the nearest 20 stars to Sol. My guess is that no matter how many you ask, ALL will say "I do not know." And if you asked them to blindly guess...MOST, if not all will laugh at you.
"I have a 100% level of confidence that I do not know if any gods exist or not."

That's not an answer. Calling both belief and disbelief in gods a blind guess implies that there's nothing to sway you either way... there's no evidence one way or the other.

Technically, none of us KNOW that Santa Clause doesn't exist, so would you call it a blind guess to say "There is no Santa Clause" and a blind guess to say "There IS a Santa Clause" or would you weigh the evidence and say that one side is more likely than the other?
 
Last edited:
Santa Clause was real. He was a cardinal in what is now Turkey.
There are aliens right here in the United States. Some of them are illegal. Some of them abduct people and rape them.
ICE is doing what it can to jail and/or deport them.
tenor.gif
 
Back
Top