If God were real, you wouldn’t need a book

[Margot]

When I was flirting with atheism I never could convince myself that nothing existed but matter and energy, that a lawful universe could pop into existence by random chance, that imagination, love freely given, creativity, and conscience were nothing but the electrochemical reactions between electrons in the head.

The belligerent atheist is a bit of a mystery, as much as the Bible thumping Christian nationalist.

"Many come in my name but they aren't mine"!
Christian Nationalist is a contradiction!
You either fall Christ or the Secular world! You can't do both!

 

[Dutch Uncle]

There is no such thing as a 'militant atheist', Sybil.

Not possible. No amount of faith can change that, Sybil.

On your planet? Probably not, Sybil, but on Earth there are: https://www.learnreligions.com/definition-of-militant-atheist-247865

Now you're just babbling again, son. Take a deep breath, let it out slowly and try to post like a rational adult. TIA.

 

[Cypress]

You deliberately limit your exposure to new ideas!
There's no way he can express in a post what he perceives of the universe, which isn't what you perceive, because everyone's reality differs!

Great, an atheist who wants to introduce mystical, paranormal, transcendental, existential concepts into physics and cosmology classes.

No thanks. I want my physics & astronomy science classes presented to me on the basis of matter, energy, and spacetime.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

When I was flirting with atheism I never could convince myself that nothing existed but matter and energy, that a lawful universe could pop into existence by random chance, that imagination, love freely given, creativity, and conscience were nothing but the electrochemical reactions between electrons in the head.

The belligerent atheist is a bit of a mystery, as much as the Bible thumping Christian nationalist.

When I was a teenage atheist is was mainly a renunciation of the Bible compared to scientific fact. Being young, I didn't get further past that concept; the conflict between those claiming the Earth was only 6000 years old vs. the scientific knowledge of the Big Bang, age of the Earth, dinosaurs, etc.

Agreed on religious extremists, and I include militant atheists in this, since they are pushing a belief system without evidence of that belief being true. They are two sides of the same illogical coin.

 

[Cypress]

When I was a teenage atheist is was mainly a renunciation of the Bible compared to scientific fact. Being young, I didn't get further past that concept; the conflict between those claiming the Earth was only 6000 years old vs. the scientific knowledge of the Big Bang, age of the Earth, dinosaurs, etc.

Agreed on religious extremists, and I include militant atheists in this, since they are pushing a belief system without evidence of that belief being true. They are two sides of the same illogical coin.

The leap of logic I eventually made is that scientific theory doesn't do anything to disprove god, the universal spirit, the Tao, or the eternal logos. They might just be evidence of it.

Some of the most brilliant minds in scientific history were convinced that lawful order in nature pointed to a law-giver.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

The leap of logic I eventually made is that scientific theory doesn't do anything to disprove god, the universal spirit, the Tao, or the eternal logos. They might just be evidence of it.

Some of the most brilliant minds in scientific history were convinced that lawful order in nature pointed to a law-giver.

Agreed. All science has done is disprove ancient perceptions of God, the Universe and Everything Else.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IbIzCwb1xQ

 

[Monad Portal]

So...no prisons, prisoners, etc. No arrests. No work release programs. No taxes, and therefore no government.

Wups. That's already in the Bible as part of the gospel. Children should also not abuse their parents.

So all the rest you steal from God. You are ignoring the 8th commandment right there. How do you account for this?

Just asked them.

those aren't slavery dumbfuck.

you british isralites and messianic judaizers need to keep your demented thoughts off everyone's morality.

 

[Monad Portal]

When I was a teenage atheist is was mainly a renunciation of the Bible compared to scientific fact. Being young, I didn't get further past that concept; the conflict between those claiming the Earth was only 6000 years old vs. the scientific knowledge of the Big Bang, age of the Earth, dinosaurs, etc.

Agreed on religious extremists, and I include militant atheists in this, since they are pushing a belief system without evidence of that belief being true. They are two sides of the same illogical coin.

except the golden rule and reciprocity are proven enablers of human success by any relevant science you can think of.

the Christian moral message is uniquely provable and unquestionably true.

why are you so possessed of the anti-christ spirit, demon boy?

 

[Cypress]

Agreed. All science has done is disprove ancient perceptions of God, the Universe and Everything Else.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IbIzCwb1xQ

Right, the 6000 year old Earth is not taught in any church I've ever been to, and more importantly the age of the earth is not a requirement to be Christian.

Now the Bible thumpers like IBDmann who want to introduce the mystical and the existential into physics and astronomy classes are something to be on guard against!

 

[ZenMode]

no.
ot stuff was arbitarary and dumb, and more indicative of a cult of conformity and not actual morality.

Right. That’s what I said. "God's" rules, laws and behavior were unacceptable in Jesus' time. So, why would an all-knowing, perfect God endorse clearly immoral behavior.

Jesus said so in so many words and by his clear indication that empathy and reciprocity were the new moral guides.

of course, evil people like you hate abstract guidance, it's harder to pervert with your stupidity.

Again, why would God endorse clearly immoral behavior while not clearly condemning other immoral behavior like slavery and child abuse?

 

[ZenMode]

So what? What makes you think that validates your claims. None of it does.

Because it shows a pattern of behavior that has spanned time. Man is notorious for explaining things that confuse/scare him with God's, demons and other supernatural beings.

You are mired in your beliefs (blind guesses about the REALITY of existence)...and that is the reason you designate yourself an atheist. And you insist that your blind guesses have to be correct...which is, as I have pointed out, doing the same kind of thinking that religionists do.

You may be correct...the religionists may be correct.

I wonder which it is.

It's not a blind guess when I can show a pattern and tendencies.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Right, the 6000 year old Earth is not taught in any church I've ever been to, and more importantly the age of the earth is not a requirement to be Christian.

Now the Bible thumpers like IBDmann who want to introduce the mystical and the existential into science classes are something to be on guard against!

Young Earthers are Fundies. Agreed on being Christian; it's a spiritual awakening, not a scientific discovery.
Just so we're clear; believing in the divinity of Jesus is not a requirement to be a Christian either even though many modern denominations believe it is. You and I've both seen "Christians" who Bible-thump but never act like Christian along with non-Christians who are the most Christian people we've ever met.

Sybil be cray-cray. Like Freddie, there is nothing to be gained there except to study them.

 

[Monad Portal]

Right. That’s what I said. "God's" rules, laws and behavior were unacceptable in Jesus' time. So, why would an all-knowing, perfect God endorse clearly immoral behavior.

Again, why would God endorse clearly immoral behavior while not clearly condemning other immoral behavior like slavery and child abuse?

Jesus had some modifications.

the golden rule is now the whole of the law.

the golden rule rules out slavery and abuse.

are you gonna make the "what if i'm a masochist" piece of genius argument?

 

[Monad Portal]

Right, the 6000 year old Earth is not taught in any church I've ever been to, and more importantly the age of the earth is not a requirement to be Christian.

Now the Bible thumpers like IBDmann who want to introduce the mystical and the existential into physics and astronomy classes are something to be on guard against!

yes.

its just a basic smear against Christians.

 

[Ross Dolan]

Because it shows a pattern of behavior that has spanned time. Man is notorious for explaining things that confuse/scare him with God's, demons and other supernatural beings.

Yeah, they have. And if you think that validates something like, "Therefore there are no gods" or "Therefore it is more likely there are no gods than that there is at least one"...you simply do not understand how logic works.

IT DOESN'T VALIDATE YOUR POSITION IN THE SLIGHTEST.

It's not a blind guess when I can show a pattern and tendencies.

Your position is every bit as much a blind guess about the true nature of the REALITY of existence as is the blind guess of every religionist who has ever existed on this planet.

You just do not have what it takes to understand and acknowledge that.

Try putting those thoughts of yours into a syllogism.

P1: Man is notorious for explaining things that confuse/scare him with God's, demons and other supernatural beings.

P2:

C: Therefore there are no gods...or it is more likely that there are no gods than that there is at least one.

Go ahead. Fill in a P2 that results in that C.

At least give it an attempt...and we can talk about it.

 

[ZenMode]

You have to be able to write whatever you were thinking in a better way than you did here. Why not do so?

I'll try again....

30% of the 10 Commandments are God talking about himself while ignoring obviously immoral behavior- child abuse and slavery. So I, a mere mortal, am saying to combine the three about God into one and add two new ones related to child abuse and slavery.

Why is it that I, in a matter of seconds, can write a more moral 10 Commandments than the all-knowing creator of the universe, who is claimed to be the objective moral compass for all mankind?

Nevermind that God endorses killing your kids for back-talking and killed all of the first born children, an event, Passover, celebrated/recognized in today's Christian churches.

 

[Cypress]

Young Earthers are Fundies. Agreed on being Christian; it's a spiritual awakening, not a scientific discovery.
Just so we're clear; believing in the divinity of Jesus is not a requirement to be a Christian either even though many modern denominations believe it is. You and I've both seen "Christians" who Bible-thump but never act like Christian along with non-Christians who are the most Christian people we've ever met.

Sybil be cray-cray. Like Freddie, there is nothing to be gained there except to study them.

The fundies are annoying!

And by that I mean both fundamentalist Christians and fundamentalist atheists!

 

[Dutch Uncle]

The fundies are annoying!

And by that I mean both fundamentalist Christians and fundamentalist atheists!

Agreed on both points. Same goes for political extremists or any other form of extremist beliefs.

Like conspiracy theorists, extremists have long been a curiosity for me since it's irrational to back oneself up to a walk and never consider other options.

 

[ZenMode]

Yeah, they have. And if you think that validates something like, "Therefore there are no gods" or "Therefore it is more likely there are no gods than that there is at least one"...you simply do not understand how logic works.

IT DOESN'T VALIDATE YOUR POSITION IN THE SLIGHTEST.

Even today's legal system agrees with me. Patterns of behavior are a significant in court cases.

Your position is every bit as much a blind guess about the true nature of the REALITY of existence as is the blind guess of every religionist who has ever existed on this planet.

You just do not have what it takes to understand and acknowledge that.

Try putting those thoughts of yours into a syllogism.

P1: Man is notorious for explaining things that confuse/scare him with God's, demons and other supernatural beings.

P2:

C: Therefore there are no gods...or it is more likely that there are no gods than that there is at least one.

Go ahead. Fill in a P2 that results in that C.

At least give it an attempt...and we can talk about it.

It's not just the Patterns, It's the contradictions and inconsistencies in the Bible. It's God endorsing clearly immoral behavior and then changing his mind. That sounds a lot more like man wrote "God's" rules and then man changed his mind and then man is left trying to retrofit man's new morality into what the Bible taught.

We're seeing it happen today with homosexuality as churches (man) struggle to adjust.

 

[Cypress]

Agreed on both points. Same goes for political extremists or any other form of extremist beliefs.

Like conspiracy theorists, extremists have long been a curiosity for me since it's irrational to back oneself up to a walk and never consider other options.

I like your metaphor of studying message board kooks like lab rats