If God were real, you wouldn’t need a book

[ZenMode]

Genealogy is not an age, Void.

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If you know a house has been in a family for "3 generations" you can make a reasonable estimate regarding how long the house has been in the family.

If you know that same family was the original owner, and the house has been in the family for 3 generations, you can make a reasonable estimate on how old the house is.

People are not the Earth either.

According to the Bible, God made the Earth on day 1 and man on Day 6.

 

[ZenMode]

So your argument was shot down.

No. I'm just not wasting my time responding to all of your nonsense.

So your argument was shot down here as well.

No. I'm just not wasting my time responding to all of your nonsense.

Unknown.

However, I walk on water. I have driven on water (even recently, such as last week). I have skated on water. I have landed aircraft on water and taken off again. Ships weighing 100 megatons travel on the water just fine.

You ARE aware that flooding has been a problem here, right?

Ahhhhh....now you're moving the goalposts. You're implying that it wasn't a miracle, but there was some reasonable explanation, based in science, for Jesus walking on water.

 

[Hume]

No. I'm just not wasting my time responding to all of your nonsense.

No. I'm just not wasting my time responding to all of your nonsense.

Ahhhhh....now you're moving the goalposts. You're implying that it wasn't a miracle, but there was some scientific explanation for Jesus walking on water.

ITN is an asshole troll.

 

[ZenMode]

Why do you believe there are magical unicorns in the Atlantic ocean?

Derp

And such are fundamentalist, like you. It is not possible to prove whether any god or gods exist. It is not possible to prove no god or gods exist.

God is all-powerful and all-knowing. According to the Bible, he convinced man that he existed via a variety of miracles.

If he existed, he could, and would know how to, convince humans today, me included.

What you claim as evidence is only evidence because you already believe there is no god.

Maybe magical unicorns built the pyramids. If you don't believe they did, it's only because you already believe there are no magical unicorns.

 

[Into the Night]

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If you know a house has been in a family for "3 generations" you can make a reasonable estimate regarding how long the house has been in the family.

No.

If you know that same family was the original owner, and the house has been in the family for 3 generations, you can make a reasonable estimate on how old the house is.

No.

According to the Bible, God made the Earth on day 1 and man on Day 6.

'Day' could mean any period of time in Hebrew. The length of time to build the Earth is not it's age.

 

[Into the Night]

No. I'm just not wasting my time responding to all of your nonsense.

No. I'm just not wasting my time responding to all of your nonsense.

Tipping your king again. *yawn*

Ahhhhh....now you're moving the goalposts.

Fallacy fallacy. No goalposts.

You're implying that it wasn't a miracle,

No, I am not. Never did. Mantra 40a.

but there was some reasonable explanation, based in science, for Jesus walking on water.

No theory of science describes why Jesus could walk on water like that. That doesn't mean a theory of science was violated by that miracle.

 

[Into the Night]

ITN is an asshole troll.

Clever, Hugo. Maybe you think that made any difference for you? How childish.

 

[Into the Night]

Derp

'Derp' is why you believe there are magical unicorns in the Atlantic ocean? Is this what you call your religion, or is this some chant related to your religion?

God is all-powerful and all-knowing.

So it is described.

According to the Bible, he convinced man that he existed via a variety of miracles.

No such claim is made in the Bible.

If he existed, he could, and would know how to, convince humans today, me included.

God is not Satan. He does not force anyone to believe anything.

Maybe magical unicorns built the pyramids.

You think so? What to the Egyptians have to say about it? Those things ARE their tombs for their royalty, after all.

If you don't believe they did, it's only because you already believe there are no magical unicorns.

I would rather believe the Egyptians.

What has any of this got to do with any god or gods (unless you think your magic unicorns in the Atlantic ocean are gods!). This would mean, of course that you are locked in another paradox. You cannot claim there are no gods and then specify a belief in gods at the same time!

 

[Cypress]

What energy? What was released?

That's the question atheists won't answer. Where and how in a physical-materialist worldview does matter and energy just appear out of nowhere?

 

[Hume]

That's the question atheists won't answer. Where and how in a physical-materialist worldview does matter and energy just appear out of nowhere?

theists like you should not discuss cosmology.

 

[Cypress]

Cosmic radiation is not light!

Cosmic radiation has no frequency! Cosmic radiation is not light!

The cosmic microwave background is emitting photons that are reaching our telescopes at microwave EM frequencies.
From the perspective of physics all electromagnetic radiation is light. A narrow band of the visible spectrum is what our eyes evolved to see.

 

[Cypress]

That's a whole lot of Christian apologist spin.

The question you asked is how there could be light without the sun and stars.

Your question was answered with widely understood conventional physics.

But when you get right down to it, Genesis 1 at the level of poetry and metaphor is not a bad parable for cosmic evolution:

First there was light. Then water and dry land appeared. Then plants appeared. Then animals appeared. Then humans appeared last.

That really not too bad of a metaphor for a poem.

 

[Hume]

The question you asked is how there could be light without the sun and stars.

Your question was answered with widely understood conventional physics.

But when you get right down to it, Genesis 1 at the level of poetry and metaphor is not a bad parable for cosmic evolution:

First there was light. Then water and dry land appeared. Then plants appeared. Then animals appeared. Then humans appeared last.

That really not too bad of a metaphor for a poem.

God did everything. Fascinating.

 

[Cypress]

God did everything. Fascinating.

Genesis 1 is a poem that is actually not a bad metaphor for the physical description of cosmic evolution.

If you want things in the Hebrew Bible to point at and laugh, there are better targets than Genesis 1.

 

[Hume]

Genesis 1 is a poem that is actually not a bad parable for the physical description of cosmic evolution.

If you want things in the Hebrew Bible to point at and laugh, there are better targets than Genesis 1.

I find the Bible completely uninteresting.

 

[Cypress]

I find the Bible completely uninteresting.

The question wasn't asked if I thought Genesis 1 was an accurate scientific report on cosmic evolution.

That is a separate question.

The question posed was asking how light could exist apart from sun and stars.

 

[Into the Night]

That's the question atheists won't answer.

YOU made the claim. Answer the question put to you. You are not an atheist.

Where and how in a physical-materialist worldview does matter and energy just appear out of nowhere?

YOU made the cause. It is YOUR paradox. DON'T TRY TO DENY YOUR OWN POSTS!

 

[Into the Night]

The cosmic microwave background is emitting photons that are reaching our telescopes at microwave EM frequencies.
From the perspective of physics all electromagnetic radiation is light. A narrow band of the visible spectrum is what our eyes evolved to see.

Cosmic rays are not light. Cosmic rays have no frequency.

 

[Into the Night]

The question you asked is how there could be light without the sun and stars.

I also asked this.

Your question was answered with widely understood conventional physics.

You are ignoring the 1st law of thermodynamics. You can't create energy out of nothing.
Photons must have a source. What is that source?

But when you get right down to it, Genesis 1 at the level of poetry and metaphor is not a bad parable for cosmic evolution:

Gobbledegook. Try again.

First there was light. Then water and dry land appeared. Then plants appeared. Then animals appeared. Then humans appeared last.

What is the source of that light?

 

[Into the Night]

Genesis 1 is a poem that is actually not a bad metaphor for the physical description of cosmic evolution.

If you want things in the Hebrew Bible to point at and laugh, there are better targets than Genesis 1.

Genesis is not a poem.