If God were real, you wouldn’t need a book

[Into the Night]

"Evidence it remains."

Yes, by your standards for evidence and belief, the existence of anything can prove the existence of anything else, which is to say there is no true evidence, only blind faith due to brainwashing and superstition.

True Scotsman fallacy. Redefinition fallacy. Attempted proof in open functional system. Denial of logic and the proof of identy. Buzzword fallacies.

Evidence is not a proof, Void.

Go learn English.

 

[ZenMode]

True Scotsman fallacy. Redefinition fallacy. Attempted proof in open functional system. Denial of logic and the proof of identy. Buzzword fallacies.

Evidence is not a proof, Void.

Go learn English.

Okay... The existence of stuff is evidence of an all-powerful, all-knowing being existing somewhere.

 

[Margot]

What evidence is there that is objective and not based on your already existing faith that a God exists?

If you take away the fact that you already believe in a God, what objective reason is there to believe that any God created the universe, you, me and everything else in it?

Have you seen your God? Has your God spoken to you, emailed you or written to you? Is there anything that has happened, while you are awake, that is evidence of miracles, angels or God?

I don't play the evidence game

 

[Margot]

Never seen that happen.

Never seen that happen either.

Evidence is not something that is 'given'. It simply exists.

Never seen an atheist claim any such thing.

Nope. Atheists are not necessarily obsessed with anything.

I guess you need glasses

 

[Into the Night]

Okay... The existence of stuff is evidence of an all-powerful, all-knowing being existing somewhere.

In general, that's correct.

 

[Into the Night]

I guess you need glasses

Nope. Turns out I can fly and drive without them.

 

[ZenMode]

In general, that's correct.

Which is why I said, if you lower your standards for evidence enough, basically anything can be evident for anything, And once you believe, it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy where you are finding evidence in everyday events that have nothing to do with a God, much less your God.

 

[Ross Dolan]

"what is your position about whether at least one god exists or not...and what is your position about the possibility of at least one god existing?"

From more recent post:

"Your "beliefs" are not based on evidence...which is why you refer to them as "beliefs."

Maybe I should word is as a lack of evidence.

Unless you are already a believer in some religion's god, and attribute random worldly events and the existence of anything/everything to that God because of your pre-existing faith, there is no evidence that would compel you to start believing in any god today. God isn't making an appearance in our lives today like he supposedly did in the Bible. The heavens aren't parting today, allowing angels to float down to earth. Nobody is performing true miracles today.

It's kind of like the people who believe the NFL is rigged. If you have faith that the NFL is rigged, then you can find all kinds of events and evidence that supports your pre-existing belief that it's rigged. If you don't already believe it's rigged, then things are just happening. Some good plays happen. Some bad plays happen. Some good calls happen. Some bad calls happen. Some people get hurt. Some people don't get hurt.

Humans tend to be superstitious, like to find explanations for things they can't easily explain and the gap between what man can and can't explain tends to be filled by gods or other supernatural entities. Mental illness used to be demonic possession... so man drilled holes in other peoples' heads to let the demon out. Man didn't understand what the sun was, so it became a god. Man didn't understand weather patterns, so he began praying for rain. Those things are all ridiculous by today's standards of knowledge, but were perfectly legit 2000+ years ago.

Man can't fully explain how the universe and humans came into existence, so we pretend a god created it.

Religion is an "ever-receding pocket of scientific ignorance".

So may I assume you will not answer my question?

 

[ZenMode]

So may I assume you will not answer my question?

This one?

"what is your position about whether at least one god exists or not...and what is your position about the possibility of at least one god existing?"

If so, I would just say that it's not impossible. There's no real reason to believe any gods exist, much less structure your life around a belief in any particular one, but it's not impossible.