Dutch Uncle
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It's an excellent indicator a person is more emotional than logical.
If God were real, you wouldn’t need a book
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Let’s do this. I’m weary of your warped characterizations and incessant bullshit. An ignore timeout for you. People REALLY have to make an effort for me to do so. See what it’s like to be invisible for awhile. Take a breath or two and try to rejoin the reality club again.
Dutch Uncle
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Murder is a legal definition. Killing is killing; the ending of life. The ending of a human life is the key question. Sometimes we justify it, sometimes we don't. It's all a matter of perspective.
We all die. That's a perspective some people can't accept. They believe in different things and argue about it. I believe there is something beyond the physical, but can only wonder about it since there's only evidence of the physical, not the spiritual.
What mainly piques my curiosity is that, across all human cultures, they have spiritual beliefs.
Those who are emotionally involved have differing opinions. Key point, emotional, not logical. LOL
Dutch Uncle
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Awesome. Sorry you are having emotional problems.
My best advice is to follow your heart, your dreams, but never hurt anyone. Just walk away. Not even a screaming FUCK YOU!
Calmness, inner peace. You know what I'm posting about. Why won't you accept it?
The western religious perspective is that all humans have innate value and are created for a purpose. That's what makes the unnecessary taking of life objectively wrong.
If we are just primordial slime evolved to a higher order, and if there is no ultimate purpose, it's gets more problematic to say killing is morally and objectively wrong. There are plenty of civilizations and cultures who thought they benefited from killing weaker neighbors, practicing female infanticide, or ritually sacrificing babies and orphans. Even Vladimir Putin thinks mass murder of Ukrainians benefits his nation
CS Lewis said when he was an atheist one of the things he couldn't easily sweep under the carpet was humanity's universal innate affinity for spirituality.
Dutch Uncle
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How does taking human life differ from the Eastern religious perspective?
Agreed about primordial slime. Fascinating that the only life found in our entire universe is right here on good ol' Earth. Weird!
Agreed on the perspective of human spirituality. There's something there even if no one has a complete understanding of it. Those who deny it exists are equally weird. IMO, they are as blind as the 10% who are color blind.
Interesting.
The Buddhists and the Jains are the most explicitly nonviolent in the East.
In the Bhaghavad Gita, the god Krishna is egging on Arjuna to wage a righteous war against his cousins and friends, lol.
If you go all the way back to the Paleolithic cave paintings of Europe, even archaic humans perceived there is some kind of transcendent reality beyond physical matter. It might be all bullshit, but then you have to explain why for 50,000 years humans universally have had a perception in their minds about a transcendent reality.
Oh it won't shut the troll up. He'll just start "downvoting" your posts (hundreds at a time like an obsessed creep....seriously if you want a trip I turned his "ignore" off for a bit and suddenly I saw that he was spending like HOURS hitting the "barf" response to my posts. He just went through them line by line.
He's creepy as fuck. I try to avoid interacting with him. It stands to reason that he's Cy's primary friend. They are both kinda fucked in the head.
I pay no attention to the thumbs up or down thing. Now, my screen won’t be so cluttered.
Dutch was just going off the rails and I ran out of patience.
I didn't either. Couldn't care less about it. It was just freaky that he started doing it and then his li'l buddy Cypress suddenly became interested in how low my ratings were.
(It was actually kinda pathetic)
Dutch is a moron. He's only on here to piss people off. Makes you wonder what his actual life is like.
Dutch Uncle
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Dutch Uncle
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It is not.
Never have I said such a thing.
It's fine if you want to say humans are actually more than just atomic matter evolved to a higher order from primordial slime.
Because that's what I have always maintained.
PoliTalker
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"If God were real, you wouldn’t need a book"
Thank you!
Why all the freaking mystery?
This so-called all powerful being lacks the power to make everyone understand he's the creator?
So there has to be a book written by humans to explain it all? Makes zero sense.
Thank you!
Why all the freaking mystery?
This so-called all powerful being lacks the power to make everyone understand he's the creator?
So there has to be a book written by humans to explain it all? Makes zero sense.
Dutch Uncle
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The book is a human perception.
Sure, an all-powerful God can put the entire Bible into our DNA so that we'd each know it, but I think the point is to allow free will. If everyone knew, without a doubt, that there was a God and what God wanted, there'd be no free will.
Most people would say even without books, the order and design of the universe, and the fact it even exists, points to a purposeful and rational creative force.
There are really only three explanations for the existence of the universe:
1) The universe is infinitely old, and does not require creation (this idea can be dismissed on the basis of logic and science).
2) Matter and energy came into existence from nothing, because of inanimate physical reasons (this idea is incoherent).
3) Something outside the universe is responsible for it's origination and it's lawful mathematical organization.
Dutch Uncle
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Agreed on Door #3.
OTOH, I continue to dispute that the "order and design of the universe" indicates intelligent design. While the actual force behind the creation of the Universe would remain unresolved, if the multiverse theory is true, then it'd be like the Parable of the Sower. Some universes would be dead from the beginning, some might exist for a while then die out without life, while others would produce a "crop" of lifeforms.
It also begs the question of why an all-powerful god would only create one universe.
As you know, I believe in probability, not miracles or magic.
Matthew 13:1-8
1 That same day Jesus went out of the house and sat by the lake. 2 Such large crowds gathered around him that he got into a boat and sat in it, while all the people stood on the shore. 3 Then he told them many things in parables, saying: “A farmer went out to sow his seed. 4 As he was scattering the seed, some fell along the path, and the birds came and ate it up. 5 Some fell on rocky places, where it did not have much soil. It sprang up quickly, because the soil was shallow. 6 But when the sun came up, the plants were scorched, and they withered because they had no root. 7 Other seed fell among thorns, which grew up and choked the plants. 8 Still other seed fell on good soil, where it produced a crop—a hundred, sixty or thirty times what was sown.
I like the multi verse hypothesis too, but there is zero tangible evidence of it.
Why do universal mathematical laws and constants exist at all? We take them for granted, but we know of no self evident reason they should exist. They just popped into reality for no reason?
That's a good parable!