If God were real, you wouldn’t need a book

ZenMode said:
I mentioned this earlier.... If all knowledge of Christianity were wiped from every human's mind and every Bible/reference to the Bible zapped from the earth, Christianity would cease to exist forever ...
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... only if one assumes there is no Christian God who would reinstate all understanding per his plan. I assume you are making that assumption, yes?
 
IBDaMann said:
... only if one assumes there is no Christian God who would reinstate all understanding per his plan. I assume you are making that assumption, yes?
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Of course. He doesn't care enough to make the world believe in him now. No reason to believe that would change.
 
ZenMode said:
I mentioned this earlier.... If all knowledge of Christianity were wiped from every human's mind and every Bible/reference to the Bible zapped from the earth, Christianity would cease to exist forever because there is no reason today to believe in the Christian God because there is no evidence, beyond stories, passed from generation to the next, and books written by superstitious, ignorant men, to support the existence of the Christian God.

Really.... absolutely nothing.
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The God of Abraham would still exist because you didn't use your magic wand to get rid of the Torah, Talmud, and Qur'an, and erase all memory of them.

Christianity is based on a historical person and a historical event, so if you had the power of an omnipotent being to make people disappear from history of course you could have prevented the rise of a Christian movement.

But humanity would still have monotheism, the God of Abraham, and various traditions of creator gods.
 
Cypress said:
The God of Abraham would still exist because you didn't use your magic wand to get rid of the Torah, Talmud, and Qur'an, and erase all memory of them.

Christianity is based on a historical person and a historical event, so if you had the power of an omnipotent being to make people disappear from history of course you could have prevented the rise of a Christian movement.

But humanity would still have monotheism, the God of Abraham, and various traditions of creator gods.
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not the power to make people disappear from history, just make all records of the christian god disappear.

If that happened, there would be nothing, in the present day, to revive belief in the christian god because he/she/it does absolutely nothing today that would make anyone believe.
 
ZenMode said:
not the power to make people disappear from history, just make all records of the christian god disappear.

If that happened, there would be nothing, in the present day, to revive belief in the christian god because he/she/it does absolutely nothing today that would make anyone believe.
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For the true believer it is incomprehensible that their beliefs are nothing more than stories told to them by other people.

It must have truth behind it because it "feels" quite real to them.

Note how your quite rational question (would it be possible to re-create the Yahweh God concept from simple observation of the world as it is) was immediately dismissed because other stories exist by other people.

But perhaps the question you should ask Cypress is: what about the God in the Torah would lead you to believe he would morph into the much more ecumenical God of the New Testament without the New Testament being written out explicitly?

(Cypress often gets angry when people try to debate the God of the New Testament when they rely on Old Testament descriptions. So it is ironic beyond all belief that he now relies on Old Testament documentation to bolster his belief in God.)
 
ZenMode said:
not the power to make people disappear from history, just make all records of the christian god disappear.

If that happened, there would be nothing, in the present day, to revive belief in the christian god because he/she/it does absolutely nothing today that would make anyone believe.
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Why are you so interested in making Christianity dissappear, as opposed to other religions?

I don't think you would want to be raised and live in a Muslim, Hindu, Shamanist, or Chinese folk religion and cultural tradition.

If you're going to get stuck in a culture with one predominant religious tradition, Christianity is one of the better ones, at least on balance.
 
Cypress said:
Why are you so interested in making Christianity dissappear, as opposed to other religions?
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I'd make them all disappear if I could. Christianity is just the best example for the current audience.
Cypress said:
I don't think you would want to be raised and live in a Muslim, Hindu, Shamanist, or Chinese folk religion and cultural tradition.
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No. I would like to live in a world free of superstition.
Cypress said:
If you're going to get stuck in a culture with one predominant religious tradition, Christianity is one of the better ones, at least on balance.
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Probably, but that is secondary to the fact that there is no reason, today, to attribute anything to the Christian god that couldn't be attributed to any other God or some future God that man comes up with.
 
Cypress said:
So your claim is that when matter and energy behave very precisely and predictably in ways that conform to mathematical equations, that is not evidence the universe is organized.
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Matter is not organization.
Energy is not organization.
Random equations is not organization.
No organization of the Universe is noted.
Mathematics is not the Universe.
 
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