Freddy Figbottom
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but you could be wrong?
If God were real, you wouldn’t need a book
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Here's why moral relativists like Into the Night and Freddy Figbottom perceive, but won't openly say, that there is some kind of universal standard for how to treat other people.
It's based on the idea that every human individual has innate value which cannot be taken away from them.
That is very much a religious concept that we have cultivated for thousands of years, even when we don't realize/remember the source and legacy of this value system.
If the universe really was just an accident, and we are nothing more than collection of quarks and electrons accidentally evolved to a higher order, then we are deluding ourselves into believing humans have an inherent and innate value.
It's based on the idea that every human individual has innate value which cannot be taken away from them.
That is very much a religious concept that we have cultivated for thousands of years, even when we don't realize/remember the source and legacy of this value system.
If the universe really was just an accident, and we are nothing more than collection of quarks and electrons accidentally evolved to a higher order, then we are deluding ourselves into believing humans have an inherent and innate value.
ZenMode
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Ok, so you have your own definition of genocide that doesn't include an actual attempt, and intent, to wipe out the group that is the victim of the genocide. That's fine.
I define genocide in the traditional way, going back to 1948:
To commit genocide is to act with the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group.
So, is Israel acting with the intent to destroy, whole or in part, the citizens of Gaza?
On October 7, 2021, Hamas fighters killed about 1,000 civilians in 8 hours, using nothing but handheld guns and knives. If they maintained that rate of murder, that would be 3,000 per day and would total just over 2 million in 2 years since the war started.
Israel, an actual military, with actual military weapons, has killed (last I saw) 74,000 in 2 years.
Why is it that Israel, in their alleged attempt to commit genocide has done such an incredibly poor job at committing genocide when they certainly have the means to do it?
IBDaMann
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The likelihood that I am somehow mistaken is virtually nil. Reality might have a glitch, but I'm altogether with it.
Freddy Figbottom
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the fgm is totally sick.
of course its partriarchy GONE TOO FAR.
everything can go too far.
of course, women voting is gynocracy gone too far. <--- just kidding.
Mutual defense of one's family and the herd is not morality. It's self-interest and reciprocity.
You don't see chimpanzees offering to defend rival packs of chimps. If anything, they will try to steal the territory and resources of other groups of chimpanzees. They only defend family and fellow troop members. That is very Darwinian. That is entirely about protecting and maintaining one's own genetic information.
When Oskar Schindler and Giorgio Perlsca risked their lives to save thousands of complete strangers they were not sitting around thinking about how to make society more stable and more mutually beneficial.
They were witnesses to absolute evil and their conscience could draw a clear demarcation point between absolute right and absolute wrong.
Freddy Figbottom
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bottom line.
both cypress and I believe in a transcendent morality.
he just wants is to be Jew worship.
I want it to be the golden rule.
Jesus is King.
Team Tucker.
Team Candace.
both cypress and I believe in a transcendent morality.
he just wants is to be Jew worship.
I want it to be the golden rule.
Jesus is King.
Team Tucker.
Team Candace.
Really, is it the role of evolution in morality that upsets you so?
Your Creationist pastor telling you to fight against the eeeebils of evil-lution?
Freddy Figbottom
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and mark Levin sucks a thousand donkey dicks a day.
Freddy Figbottom
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what's wrong with a win win.
their morality is less evolved and still very tribalistic.
human morality is more advanced and can overcome tribalism.
see the parable of the good samaritan.
yes. killing Jews is the only absolute evil in your warped view.
you are just a Jewish tribalist, trying to victimize human society on their behalf.
Freddy Figbottom
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your dogwhistle to Jewish supremacists is audible by all tho, dum dum.
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There you have it folks. Freddy admits it all comes back to our religious traditions, the religious belief that all individual humans have innate value, the belief in selfless self-sacrifice even towards strangers and rivals.
That's the lesson of the good Samaritan.
There are plenty of people and societies that thrived and enriched themselves without any regard to the parable of the good Samaritan or the golden rule.
Freddy Figbottom
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it comes back to the logical nature of the golden rule, which also happens to be a religious teaching yes.
but the golden rule is obvious outside a religious context.
you downplay the golden rule and prefer OT twaddle, see Scofield Bible, Zionism.
TO WHOM do humans have "inate value"? Just curious.
From where I sit the ONLY things that "value" humans are....wait for it...OTHER HUMANS.
It almost feels like morality is just what one social animal uses to ensure stable social networks and there is no such thing as "universal" morality.
Huh.
But you Creationists always get pissy when you don't get to praise God for knowing not to hurt other people needlessly.
Freddy Figbottom
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pretty good, but cooperation and cooperation facilitative behaviors are universally successful.
Freddy Figbottom
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and if you want to get real far back see the the jewish schism between Sabbati Tzvi (frankists) and Bal Shem Tov.
If the universe is an accidental creation of inanimate physical processes then we humans are nothing more than collections of electrons and quarks accidentally evolved to a higher order, then there is no universal purpose or meaning. There is no scientific requirement in Darwinian evolution to just be super kind and compassionate to everyone.
If that kind of physical materialism is true, then you're lying to yourself that human beings have any kind of inherent and innate individual value.
If physical materialism is true (and it might be) we are deluding ourselves into believing there is any absolute right and absolute wrong. There's no purpose in any of it, except what we invent in our minds through opinion and personal preference.
Freddy Figbottom
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yes.
you're a mass murderer at heart.
we know.
scientific materialism is no way to live.
and this is why you keep trying to pedestalize the religious whims of physicists, to inculcate nihilism.
Hardly anybody on this board practices the golden rule here.
I'm constantly being cussed at and insulted, as are others.
If the Golden rule is so rational and so natural to humans, why do we ignore it most of the time?
Everyone here has to constantly make the decision to do either what feels good, or do what they know they ought to do.
It's that 'ought to do' voice in our conscience that is curiously unique to human beings, and seems to be universal to almost all people, outside of sociopathic outliers and the mentally damaged.