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[IBDaMann]

It is relevant. You can't just discard it.

It's irrelevant. It is discarded. Why do you imagine that pointing to some non-signatory somehow gets Israel out of their contract? Israel is not permitted to commit genocide against anyone, lest the other signatories punics Israel. Israel is not allowed to commit war crimes, lest the other signatories punish them.

Non-signatories are totally irrelevant.

What did AIPAC tell you to claim was the relevancy?

 

[IBDaMann]

SYSTEMATIC KILLING OF CIVILIAN POPULATION

Correction: Systematic MASS killing of civilian noncombatants who, because Israel invaded, Israel is obligated to actively protect under the Geneva Conventions.

 

[IBDaMann]

I am not regurgitating anything.

You are regurgitating EVERYTHING you are told to believe.

I am not ordered.

You were ordered to say that.

I don't give a fuck with AIPAC says.

You regurgitate, word for word, what AIPAC tells their bondservants to believe. You repeat the AIPAC party line that only comes from AIPAC, which is absolutely absurd and not supported by anything on this earth.

There is no genocide.

The IDF is effecting the 2nd Nakba genocide to elevate the Likud party in popularity. They have needlessly destroyed Gaza and needlessly slaughtered almost 100,000 noncombatant civilian Arabs, purely out of racial HATRED.

You cannot manufacture one.

... but the IDF sure can, being the world's most prolific terrorist organization. They assassinate scientists and children, and then brag about it ... after they laugh about it.

 

[IBDaMann]

I never claimed they were, IBD. Vacuous fallacy.

I was agreeing with you, and you are calling that a fallacy.

 

[domer76]

A resolution passed by the International Association of Genocide Scholars (IAGS) states that Israel's conduct meets the legal definition as laid out in the UN convention on genocide.

The IAGS is the world's largest professional association of genocide scholars and includes a number of Holocaust experts. Out of its 500 members, 28% took part in the vote and 86% of those who voted supported the resolution.

A number of leading rights organisations, including two Israeli organisations, have also declared they believe Israel is committing genocide.

Israel committing genocide in Gaza, world's leading experts say - BBC News

The world's leading association of genocide scholars cited several actions by Israel, including attacks on the healthcare sector and the killing of children.

www.bbc.com

 

[Freddy Figbottom]

It may take a decade or 2 but there's a small chance a 21st century version of the Nuremberg trials will be held in Tel Aviv.

what does this mean?

 

[Freddy Figbottom]

Why don't you try to avoid compound fallacies. Into the Night just told you that there is no absolute morality, ergo he isn't going to apply an absolute position of morality on any group of people, and he probably isn't going to try to speak for them.

... and I think you agree that female earlobe and tongue mutilation is perfectly fine, and is thus sanctioned by the societies in which they exist.

so are slavery and genital mutilation fine if the culture says so?

 

[Cypress]

I never said any such thing, Cyborg.

Yes you did:

Go learn what 'morality' means. It IS a subjective, and relative definition.
It simply means......'acceptable behavior in society'.

Morality IS relative and a subjective description. There is no absolute morality.

Then you have no basis or standard to say slavery, female genital mutilation, or head hunting are inherently wrong.

All you have is opinion, personal preference, social convention. You don't have any kind of absolute morality.

 

[goat]

what does this mean?

Some of us still believe in international law.

 

[Freddy Figbottom]

A resolution passed by the International Association of Genocide Scholars (IAGS) states that Israel's conduct meets the legal definition as laid out in the UN convention on genocide.

The IAGS is the world's largest professional association of genocide scholars and includes a number of Holocaust experts. Out of its 500 members, 28% took part in the vote and 86% of those who voted supported the resolution.

A number of leading rights organisations, including two Israeli organisations, have also declared they believe Israel is committing genocide.

Israel committing genocide in Gaza, world's leading experts say - BBC News

The world's leading association of genocide scholars cited several actions by Israel, including attacks on the healthcare sector and the killing of children.

www.bbc.com

cypress believes is absolute Jewish racial supremacist values.

 

[Freddy Figbottom]

Yes you did:


Then you have no basis or standard to say slavery, female genital mutilation, or head hunting are inherently wrong.

All you have is opinion, personal preference, social convention. You don't have any kind of absolute morality.

reciprocity and "would you like it done to you" is super simple to determine.

you just won't accept it because you must warp morality around your Jewish supremacist ideals.

you are in a precarious position.

reject your hatred and you can relax.

 

[Cypress]

reciprocity

Reciprocity isn't morality. It's self-interest based on the expectation you will do something only if you can expect to be paid back in kind.

and "would you like it done to you" is super simple to determine.

Plenty of people and plenty of societies have thrived when using slavery, ritual human sacrifice, conquest, killing, and war, head hunting, cannibalism, female infanticide.

You haven't told me what universal standard there is that makes slavery, head hunting, female infanticide inherently and innately wrong. (Your opinion or your social convention are not universal standards)

 

[Freddy Figbottom]

Reciprocity isn't morality. It's self-interest based on the expectation you will do something only if you can expect to be paid back in kind.

it basically is.

but its on more of a pay it forward model. and there may be some periodic betrayals, but if we behave this way in general, we will all benefit.

Plenty of people and plenty of societies have thrived when using slavery, ritual human sacrifice, conquest, killing, and war, head hunting, cannibalism, female infanticide.

are all those moral?

no, and as we become moral and reject those evils we thrive more.

you just embrace evil and are a demonic mass murderer.

You haven't told me what universal standard there is that makes slavery, head hunting, female infanticide inherently and innately wrong. (Your opinion or your social convention are not universal standards)

would you want to be head hunted, enslaved or have the head of your cock shaved off?

its the golden rule.

the golden rule is innately rational.

 

[Freddy Figbottom]

cypress believes in human on human predation and evil.

 

[Cypress]

it basically is.

but its on more of a pay it forward model. and there may be some periodic betrayals, but if we behave this way in general, we will all benefit.

are all those moral?

no, and as we become moral and reject those evils we thrive more.

you just embrace evil and are a demonic mass murderer.

would you want to be head hunted, enslaved or have the head of your cock shaved off?

its the golden rule.

the golden rule is innately rational.

Just by claiming you should be super nice to everyone means you are invoking a higher, unspoken universal standard.

Why should everyone be super nice and super compassionate to everyone else?

There's nothing in the scientific principles of Darwinian evolution that require that.

Plenty of people and plenty of societies thrived, and never saw any problem, with slavery, head hunting, female infanticide, genital mutilation.

Other than just giving your opinion, you haven't explained why those things are inherently wrong.

 

[Freddy Figbottom]

Just by claiming you should be super nice to everyone means you are invoking a higher, unspoken universal standard.

you keep saying "super nice", me and jesus say "put yourself in the others place".

they're not the same.

Why should everyone be super nice and super compassionate to everyone else?

so they can cooperate and achieve greater surviviability together.

There's nothing in the scientific principles of Darwinian evolution that require that.

Darwinism isn't proscripitive or a moral code.

Plenty of people and plenty of societies thrived, and never saw any problem, with slavery, head hunting, female infanticide, genital mutilation.

Other than just giving your opinion, you haven't explained why those things are inherently wrong.

and our morality has made us thrive more.

they are wrong because they are anti thriving for many parties.

you believe in human on human predation and are evil.

do you consider yourself a Christian, religious or a moral person in general?

you truly seem like a demonic fuckface agent for human demoralization.

 

[IBDaMann]

so are slavery and genital mutilation fine if the culture says so?

My answer is integral with my society's answer. I can only tell you, from my experience living where S & GM are not OK, that I find them to be not OK.

 

[Cypress]

you keep saying "super nice", me and jesus say "put yourself in the others place".

they're not the same.


so they can cooperate and achieve greater surviviability together.

Darwinism isn't proscripitive or a moral code.

and our morality has made us thrive more.

they are wrong because they are anti thriving for many parties.

you believe in human on human predation and are evil.

do you consider yourself a Christian, religious or a moral person in general?

you truly seem like demonic fuckface agent for human demoralization.

You're still just giving opinions.

You're not explaining what universal standard makes those kind of things inherently wrong.

Plenty of people, civilizations, societies thrived by engaging in theft, murder, conquest, slavery, ritual human sacrifice. Their opinions are as valid as yours if we're going to be relativists.

As a moral relativist, who are you to tell them they are wrong?

 

[Freddy Figbottom]

You're still just giving opinions.

the triumph of cooperation is self evident in human societies all around the world.

You're not explaining what universal standard makes those kind of things inherently wrong.

I have a thousand times, ignorant bastard.

they wrong because they diminish the thriving of large numbers of people.

Plenty of people, civilizations, societies thrived by engaging in theft, murder, conquest, slavery, ritual human sacrifice. Their opinions are as valid as yours if we're going to be relativists.

As a moral relativist, who are you to tell them they are wrong?

I'm not a moral relativism.

I believe morality is a set of behaviors and attitudes that facilitate voluntary and mutually beneficial relationships.

that's just the golden rule.

I go by the golden rule and am a member of the church of the philosophy of jesus.

you believe in mass murder, and are a sick demonic freak.

 

[IBDaMann]

Why should everyone be super nice and super compassionate to everyone else?

There's nothing in the scientific principles of Darwinian evolution that require that.

I honestly thought that you would have researched Darwin's theory of evolution, at least your standard 2 minute Wikipedia perusal. Alas, it appears that you insist on remaining totally ignorant on the subject.

There is an evolutionary explanation for everyone to get along, and for zebras to form up and protect the herd.

By the way, Darwin's theory of evolution is not science.