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ZenMode said:
Why? On what basis are you differentiating between the two?
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On what basis am I differentiating between the the truth about the ultimate REALITY of existence and Santa Claus??????????????????????????????

Question now is are you nuts...or just stupid to the nth degree?

You ought to print up a bill board asking...can anyone tell me if there are any major differences between making guesses about the true nature of the REALITY of existence...and whether Santa Claus exists...

...and parade around a big city with it.

Actually, Zen...DO NOT DO THAT. We may have a major disagreement here, but I do not want to see you put into a mental institution because of it.
 
Ross Dolan said:
On what basis am I differentiating between the the truth about the ultimate REALITY of existence and Santa Claus??????????????????????????????
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Yes. If we're talking about support for a belief in Santa vs gods, how do you differentiate? Why can you solidly say Santa doesn't exist but be 50/50 about gods?
 
Ross Dolan said:
What I am doing is showing you that your assertions that there are no gods...is nothing more than a blind guess...just as religionist assertions that there is a god are nothing more than just blind guesses.

But, like the religionists...you want to think your blind guesses are more than just blind guesses. Laughingly, you want to think they are the product of logic and science.

Sorry, Buddy. They are not. No reasonable scientist uses
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He's trying to claim the magick word of 'science' in an effort to prove his religion True. He is literally trying to claim science is religion.
 
ZenMode said:
Saying it's a "blind" guess implies just that, you are blindly guessing. If you are blindly guessing, then you have no information that could possibly sway you either way. There's no reasoning. You are flipping a coin. You are rolling dice.

Again, I highly encourage you to tell everyone you know that it's a blind guess whether or not Santa Claus exist.
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He did exist. No random numbers necessary. There are church records of him. There are numerous news articles about his philanthropy. There are civil records of him. He was know by many throughout Europe.
 
ZenMode said:
Yes. If we're talking about support for a belief in Santa vs gods, how do you differentiate? Why can you solidly say Santa doesn't exist but be 50/50 about gods?
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I am NOT talking about a belief in Santa. Not sure why you are, but no telling what religionists or atheists will do to make their blind guesses seem like something more than that.

I said at the beginning of this (what shall I call it) "conversation" that I do not have enough unambiguous evidence upon which to base a meaningful guess about whether any gods exist.

That is a question that deals with the ultimate REALITY of existence.

You want me to deal with whether Santa Claus exists or not.

Son...you ought to stick with comic books...and leave complex discussions to adults.

You already have violated Rule #1 of the Debating Atheists manifesto...when you said that a "belief that no gods exist is a dictionary definition of atheism." You do more damage to your side than good.

What next? Leprechauns, fairies? What?
 
Cypress said:
"The League of Militant Atheists was an atheistic and antireligious organization of workers and intelligentsia that developed in Soviet Russia under the influence of the ideological and cultural views and policies of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union." --> Wikipedia

So from the cultural perspective of Nazi Germany it was moral to mass murder Jews and Gypsies. :palm:
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There is no such thing as a 'militant atheist'.
The Church of No God is a fundamentalist style religion. They try to call themselves 'atheists', but they aren't. They are fundamentalists.
 
ZenMode said:
Why? On what basis are you differentiating between the two?
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They are both religions. Your religion is different from another religion, but your religion is not 'science'. It is not 'atheism'. You cannot prove your religion True. Your religions are based on faith, like any other.

That said, several of your religions routinely deny science, engineering, and mathematics.
 
ZenMode said:
Yes. If we're talking about support for a belief in Santa vs gods, how do you differentiate? Why can you solidly say Santa doesn't exist but be 50/50 about gods?
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Santa exists. Proof by identity. This word has been used in a variety of languages, stemming from the Latin 'sanctus'. Most commonly seen in modern Italian, Portugese, and Spanish.

Gods exist. Proof by identity. This word has been used in a wide variety of languages. Stemming from the proto-Germanic word 'gudan' meaning 'to call' (as in calling upon a supreme being). Gods have existed through Man's history, including multiple gods in Roman, Egyptian, and Greek cultures. Shinto has no gods, per se, but it does have a belief in numerous demons and spirits that inhabit physical objects. The closest thing it has to gods are the elemental spirits, such as those inhabiting fire, air, water, earth, etc.

Christians believe in a trinity of supreme beings, consisting of God the Father, Jesus Christ, his Son, and in the Holy Ghost. Some Christians believe that God and Christ are the same entity, probably merging the Holy Ghost in with it as well.

They all exist. You can't make them just go away. You cannot dictate the belief of anyone.
 
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Ross Dolan said:
I am NOT talking about a belief in Santa. Not sure why you are, but no telling what religionists or atheists will do to make their blind guesses seem like something more than that.

I said at the beginning of this (what shall I call it) "conversation" that I do not have enough unambiguous evidence upon which to base a meaningful guess about whether any gods exist.

That is a question that deals with the ultimate REALITY of existence.

You want me to deal with whether Santa Claus exists or not.

Son...you ought to stick with comic books...and leave complex discussions to adults.

You already have violated Rule #1 of the Debating Atheists manifesto...when you said that a "belief that no gods exist is a dictionary definition of atheism." You do more damage to your side than good.

What next? Leprechauns, fairies? What?
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special pleading.

look it up, jerkoff.

you'ree incredibly stupid.
 
Into the Night said:
He did exist. No random numbers necessary. There are church records of him. There are numerous news articles about his philanthropy. There are civil records of him. He was know by many throughout Europe.
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Yes, Jesus the man existed. I'm talking about the being that is God/divine Jesus.
 
Into the Night said:
Santa exists. Proof by identity. This word has been used in a variety of languages, stemming from the Latin 'sanctus'. Most commonly seen in modern Italian, Portugese, and Spanish.
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So, you're saying that Santa, the guy pulled around by flying reindeer on Christmas Eve, delivering toys to children around the world, existed?
 
Into the Night said:
Christians believe in a trinity of supreme beings, consisting of God the Father, Jesus Christ, his Son, and in the Holy Ghost. Some Christians believe that God and Christ are the same entity, probably merging the Holy Ghost in with it as well.

They all exist. You can't make them just go away. You cannot dictate the belief of anyone.
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You can't make things true by saying them....
 
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