If a Minority Judge rules against you!!!

tsuke said:
I think there is more than enough prima facie evidence that the judge is biased that the discussion can be had.

Judge Curiel belongs to the La Raza Lawyers Association, which has pushed many pro illegal immigration policies. The main website even links to the National Council of La Raza.

Judge Curiel has even sat on scholarship committees which flaunted the fact that it gave scholarships to illegal immigrants.
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So, tsuke, do you think Judge Curiel should be forced to be recused from all cases involving non-latinos, since he is a member of a lawyer's association? Are not most judges members of various lawyer associations, like black judges, jewish judges, or in fact, just about any ethnic group? Would you have black judges only allowed to decide cases not involving non-black litigants? And so on...? That is simply racist.

Judge Curiel has allowed the case to continue for far longer than it should, given the fact that the original plaintiff backed out after evidence came to light that she had given positive reviews, in both written and video form, of Trump University. He allowed the law firm to find a new plaintiff instead of closing the case.

Judge Curiel, in an attempt to release documents to the Washington Post, ended up "doxxing" the personal information of many innocent Trump University students, probably thanks to his carelessness and haste.
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Those are questions that are typically handled by a defendant's attorney. I am not an attorney, but there are motions that need to be filed that would allow an appeals court to decide those issues, even if the lower court judge denies those original motions. It is not the place of the defendant to whine and cry in public that a judge is being unfair to him because of his parents heritage. And it definitely is not proper that a defendant proclaim that Mexican immigrants are rapists, drug dealers, and murderers and then say that any judge that has Mexican heritage must be biased against me because I say racist things and the proof of his bias is that he is making decisions that I don't agree with.

The law firm representing the plaintiff has donated over $600,000 to Hillary Clinton since 2009. This lawfirm was appointed by the judge.
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In what world does that have anything to do with anything other than the fact is that there are people who don't agree with your politics?

Notice also that this is a civil case. Normally only criminal cases survive the plaintiff dropping out. Civil cases usually have to start over with a different plaintiff.
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Well, tsuke, then you should be judge, since you obviously are an astute attorney that knows more than Judge Curiel does about this case.
 
How about if Drumpf simply recuses himself from racist demagoguery, and then biased judges wouldn't be an issue for him.
 
mogur said:
So, tsuke, do you think Judge Curiel should be forced to be recused from all cases involving non-latinos, since he is a member of a lawyer's association? Are not most judges members of various lawyer associations, like black judges, jewish judges, or in fact, just about any ethnic group? Would you have black judges only allowed to decide cases not involving non-black litigants? And so on...? That is simply racist.

Those are questions that are typically handled by a defendant's attorney. I am not an attorney, but there are motions that need to be filed that would allow an appeals court to decide those issues, even if the lower court judge denies those original motions. It is not the place of the defendant to whine and cry in public that a judge is being unfair to him because of his parents heritage. And it definitely is not proper that a defendant proclaim that Mexican immigrants are rapists, drug dealers, and murderers and then say that any judge that has Mexican heritage must be biased against me because I say racist things and the proof of his bias is that he is making decisions that I don't agree with.

In what world does that have anything to do with anything other than the fact is that there are people who don't agree with your politics?

Well, tsuke, then you should be judge, since you obviously are an astute attorney that knows more than Judge Curiel does about this case.
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well the issue is not so much mexican as opposed to mexican strongly in favor of illegal immigration as can be seen by the organizations he joins and the scholarships he gives up. When you have the strongest anti illegal immigration advocate judged by a illegal immigration advocate then there is a hint of bias :)
 
tsuke said:
well the issue is not so much mexican as opposed to mexican strongly in favor of illegal immigration as can be seen by the organizations he joins and the scholarships he gives up. When you have the strongest anti illegal immigration advocate judged by a illegal immigration advocate then there is a hint of bias
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Think so? :)
 
Jarod said:
HE says Mexicans love him.
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He loves Mexicans.

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Trump did not say the Judge was biased based on membership in any group or ogrinizations, he said the judge was biased based on being "Mexican"!
 
That Judge Attacked by Donald Trump? He’s Faced a Lot Worse
By ALAN RAPPEPORT
JUNE 3, 2016

For much of a year, Gonzalo P. Curiel, then a federal prosecutor in California, lived officially in hiding.

He hunkered down for a while on a naval base and in other closely guarded locations under the protection of United States marshals. Even his siblings did not know exactly where he was at times.

The reason: In a secretly taped conversation inside a San Diego prison, a man accused of being a gunman for a Mexican drug cartel said that he had received permission from his superiors to have Mr. Curiel assassinated.

“It was kind of scary,” said Mr. Curiel’s brother Raul. “He had to be protected. He always had one or two bodyguards with him.”

Nearly 20 years later, Gonzalo Curiel, now a federal judge, is being targeted in a very different way.

The presiding judge in a lawsuit filed by former students of Trump University, he has been called a “hater” of Mr. Trump by the presumptive Republican presidential nominee himself. At a rally last week, Mr. Trump said the judge “happens to be, we believe, Mexican,” suggesting that he was biased because of Mr. Trump’s calls to build a wall along the border to prevent illegal immigration. Angry supporters have been calling the judge’s chambers.

Mr. Trump repeated his argument in an interview on Thursday. “I’m building the wall, I’m building the wall,” Mr. Trump said. “I have a Mexican judge. He’s of Mexican heritage. He should have recused himself, not only for that, for other things.”

Judge Curiel, 62, was born in East Chicago, Ind., to parents who had emigrated from Mexico. Raul Curiel said their father, Salvador, arrived in Arizona as a laborer in the 1920s, eventually receiving citizenship and becoming a steelworker. Their parents were married in Mexico in 1946, and their mother, Francisca, became a citizen after joining her husband in the United States.Gonzalo Curiel went to Catholic school, fell in love with music and played the guitar in a band before following in the footsteps of his older brother, Antonio, and turning to law.

The Curiels lived in a diverse section of East Chicago called Indiana Harbor, where blacks, whites and Hispanics lived and worked together. Discrimination was rarely an issue, Raul Curiel said, but the family did face it on occasion. He recalled Gonzalo being turned away from a wedding venue in the 1970s because of his Afro hairstyle.

After graduating from Indiana University’s law school, Judge Curiel worked in private practice in Indiana and California. In 1989, he became an assistant United States attorney in the Southern District of California, a job that immersed him in the war on drugs.

Judge Curiel was a hard-charging prosecutor at a time when the American authorities were trying to help Mexico confront the Arellano Félix brothers, the heads of a murderous cartel that controlled a torrent of narcotics coming into the Western United States. In a period when Mexico was reluctant to send its drug lords for trial in the United States, Mr. Curiel’s job involved working with informants and sometimes-corrupt Mexican officials to win convictions in this country and in Mexico.

The Arellano-Félix cartel kept Mr. Curiel in its sights. One of the suspected gunmen, according to court filings, was recorded in prison saying he “had requested and received permission from the leaders of the Arellano cartel to have Curiel murdered,” forcing Mr. Curiel to live for a while under guard.

He and Mr. Vega, whose father also was Mexican, met regularly with their counterparts across the border. Mr. Vega said their ability to speak Spanish and their Mexican roots were helpful, ultimately leading to the first extradition of a suspected Mexican drug kingpin to the United States in 2001.

Judge Curiel was appointed to the bench in San Diego in 2007 by Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, a Republican. President Obama nominated him to the federal bench in late 2011, and he was confirmed by the Senate the following year. Judge Curiel, whose parents are deceased, is married to a probation official and has a young daughter.
Mr. Trump and his supporters have said that Judge Curiel is treating him unfairly in the case, in which some former students of Trump University claim they paid thousands of dollars for worthless real estate classes. Mr. Trump’s supporters have pointed to Judge Curiel’s affiliation with La Raza Lawyers of California, a Latino bar association that Mr. Trump asserts is an advocacy group, and to his appointment by Mr. Obama as evidence of a conflict of interest.

In the interview on Thursday, Mr. Trump said that Judge Curiel also had a conflict of interest because he was friends with one of the plaintiffs’ lawyers; that lawyer told The Wall Street Journal that they were federal prosecutors in the same office but had never seen each other socially.

Despite citing the judge’s heritage as a source of the conflict, Mr. Trump said that as president he would have no problem appointing Mexican-American judges.
Experts in legal ethics say that seeking to discredit a judge is not a winning strategy and that the suggestion that Judge Curiel could not treat a case fairly because of his ethnicity raises questions about Mr. Trump’s ability to appoint judges.

Deborah L. Rhode, a professor at Stanford Law School and the founding director of the university’s Center on Ethics, said that calls for Judge Curiel to step down from a case because of his Mexican roots were akin to saying that Thurgood Marshall, the first black Supreme Court justice, should never have been able to decide civil rights cases.

“If race were a disqualifying factor, nobody could preside over these cases,” Ms. Rhode said.

Mr. Vega, now a corporate lawyer who was the best man at Judge Curiel’s wedding, said he did not think that the attacks by Mr. Trump would taint the judge’s approach to the case.

But, remembering when his friend, then a prosecutor, arrived at his house for a barbecue flanked by bodyguards, Mr. Vega noted the irony of Mr. Trump’s criticizing someone who had risked his life to slow the flow of drugs coming from Mexico into the United States — an issue that is dear to Mr. Trump.

“A lot of us have never been tested like that,” Mr. Vega said.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/04/us/politics/donald-trump-university-judge-gonzalo-curiel.html?_r=0

I don't know, tzuke, you can't just say that Curiel is an advocate for illegal immigration just because he is a member of a lawyer association of hispanics that is in favor of immigration reform. I personally think that someone that spent a year in protection from a Mexican drug cartel hit, because he was a zealous prosecutor of Mexican drug cartels, should not be accused of bias towards an orange clown that wants to build a big, beautiful, yuuuge wall between Mexico and the US.
 
mogur said:
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/04/us/politics/donald-trump-university-judge-gonzalo-curiel.html?_r=0

I don't know, tzuke, you can't just say that Curiel is an advocate for illegal immigration just because he is a member of a lawyer association of hispanics that is in favor of immigration reform. I personally think that someone that spent a year in protection from a Mexican drug cartel hit, because he was a zealous prosecutor of Mexican drug cartels, should not be accused of bias towards an orange clown that wants to build a big, beautiful, yuuuge wall between Mexico and the US.
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An Orange Clown! Thats great... love it. Best laugh all day!
 
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