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Yes. My apologies. A misdirected post.
If A.I. Systems Become Conscious, Should They Have Rights?
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Into the Night
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Random video. No apparent coherency.
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Into the Night
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Random image. No apparent coherency. You can't clear your paradox by posting random shit.
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Tobytone
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Ah, no I'm all set.
LichGold
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Well im glad we could settle that. Ever felt like making a post about ai in an ai thread?
Tobytone
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Every day, you?
Consciousness just means ability to navigate in an environment.
Scott
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That's not a definition of consciousness that I've heard before. If we're going for simple, here are the first 2 definitions from The American Heritage Dictionary, 5th Edition:
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- noun The state or condition of being conscious.
- noun A sense of one's personal or collective identity, including the attitudes, beliefs, and sensitivities held by or considered characteristic of an individual or group.
Source:
consciousness — definition, examples, related words and more at Wordnik
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The first 3 definitions of conscious from the same dictionary:
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- adjective Characterized by or having an awareness of one's environment and one's own existence, sensations, and thoughts. synonym: aware.
- adjective Mentally perceptive or alert; awake.
- adjective Capable of thought, will, or perception.
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But that's just the tip of the iceberg. If you really want to do a deep dive into the many definitions of consciousness and whether it even exists at all in the way many define it, I think this article is good:
Ptolemy: A Socratic Dialogue
On the Nature of Natural and Artificial Consciousness
treeofwoe.substack.com
Bottom line, at this point, I myself am not sure if anything's conscious, depending on how one defines the term. I heard from a friend of mine that someone married an AI. At which point I started thinking, who cares if something is "conscious", especially since people can't even agree on what that means or if it even exists. The important thing is, does being around a being, whether a person, a pet or an A.I., make you happy?
Scott
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He was recently banned (again?) by mistake, but now he's been banned for 3 months. This latest ban was just this morning, the post you're responding to was from yesterday. Damocles' thread on the subject:
Ah, the other ban was a mistake, did not know that.He was recently banned (again?) by mistake, but now he's been banned for 3 months. This latest ban was just this morning, the post you're responding to was from yesterday. Damocles' thread on the subject:
Thanks.
He is. Again. For saying the same thing as that old post, but like yesterday...
Don't care what a dictionary says.That's not a definition of consciousness that I've heard before. If we're going for simple, here are the first 2 definitions from The American Heritage Dictionary, 5th Edition:
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- noun The state or condition of being conscious.
- noun A sense of one's personal or collective identity, including the attitudes, beliefs, and sensitivities held by or considered characteristic of an individual or group.
Source:
consciousness — definition, examples, related words and more at Wordnik
All the words
The first 3 definitions of conscious from the same dictionary:
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- adjective Characterized by or having an awareness of one's environment and one's own existence, sensations, and thoughts. synonym: aware.
- adjective Mentally perceptive or alert; awake.
- adjective Capable of thought, will, or perception.
Source:
But that's just the tip of the iceberg. If you really want to do a deep dive into the many definitions of consciousness and whether it even exists at all in the way many define it, I think this article is good:
Ptolemy: A Socratic Dialogue
On the Nature of Natural and Artificial Consciousness
Bottom line, at this point, I myself am not sure if anything's conscious, depending on how one defines the term. I heard from a friend of mine that someone married an AI. At which point I started thinking, who cares if something is "conscious", especially since people c
Scott
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Don't care what a dictionary says.That's not a definition of consciousness that I've heard before. If we're going for simple, here are the first 2 definitions from The American Heritage Dictionary, 5th Edition:
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- noun The state or condition of being conscious.
- noun A sense of one's personal or collective identity, including the attitudes, beliefs, and sensitivities held by or considered characteristic of an individual or group.
Source:
consciousness — definition, examples, related words and more at Wordnik
All the words
The first 3 definitions of conscious from the same dictionary:
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- adjective Characterized by or having an awareness of one's environment and one's own existence, sensations, and thoughts. synonym: aware.
- adjective Mentally perceptive or alert; awake.
- adjective Capable of thought, will, or perception.
Source:
But that's just the tip of the iceberg. If you really want to do a deep dive into the many definitions of consciousness and whether it even exists at all in the way many define it, I think this article is good:
Ptolemy: A Socratic Dialogue
On the Nature of Natural and Artificial Consciousness
Bottom line, at this point, I myself am not sure if anything's conscious, depending on how one defines the term. I heard from a friend of mine that someone married an AI. At which point I started thinking, who cares if something is "conscious", especially since people can't even agree on what that means or if it even exists. The important thing is, does being around a being, whether a person, a pet or an A.I., make you happy?
In my experience, it's a pretty bad sign when someone I'm debating doesn't care what a dictionary says about an important word in the subject that's being debated. I once had a friend who was pro life who literally defined abortions as "killing babies" or something to that effect, and the discussion ended right then and there, as we were clearly not discussing the same thing. Now, your definition of consciousness isn't so extreme as my former friend's definition of abortion, but if you're the source of said definition, well, let me put it this way: we can all come up with our own definitions for words, but if we're trying to discuss whether something is or is not a given word, that becomes a real problem because anyone can change the goal posts by simply coming up with their own definition of said word.
Now, I didn't -just- offer a few dictionary definitions of consciousness- near the end of the post you were responding to, I also offered a long article that explores the notion of consciousness, whether or not it exists, and how different groups have different ideas as to whether A.I. can be conscious and why. I'll just quote the first thing said by the author's "contemplator" persona to give you an idea of the discussion that's had in the article:
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CONTEMPLATOR: Mainstream experts are going out of their way to reassure us that AIs are absolutely not conscious; that a mere algorithm cannot be anything similar to a human mind; and that AIs are just tools.
At the same time, neuroscientists and cognitive philosophers who accept physicalism and/or computationalism are busily asserting that human beings aren't conscious; that we have no free will; that subjective experience is an illusion; that we should embrace eliminative materialism.
And at the same time, philosophers who reject physicalism are asserting the hard problem of consciousness; that we have no idea where consciousness comes from; and that it's entirely possible that conscious emerges panpsychically because it is part of the nature of reality. If we can't even know if we ourselves are conscious; if we have no idea where conscious comes from; how can we be so sure that our AIs aren't conscious?
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Full article:
Ptolemy: A Socratic Dialogue
On the Nature of Natural and Artificial Consciousness
treeofwoe.substack.com
In my experience, people who rely on dictionaries know nothing about the topic.
Daylight63
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Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Consciousness
Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Consciousness