I wouldn't believe Trump if his tongue came notarized...

cawacko said:
It's amazing. Hillary Clinton has told only one lie. She might be the most honest politician to have walked the face of the earth. It does not speak highly of the American people that she has such low personal ratings on trustworthiness considering her total and complete honesty.
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1. Did I say she has only ever told one lie?
2. 20 years of Republican hit jobs on her have had that effect.
 
Jarod said:
1. Did I say she has only ever told one lie?
2. 20 years of Republican hit jobs on her have had that effect.
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Honestly, how did you support Bernie over Hillary? You will go to the end of the earth to defend Hillary as if Jesus Christ himself has returned among us. Yet you never said one word about the person you supposedly wanted for President.
 
christiefan915 said:
...but cons will just slurp this up. :D Analysis at the link.

Donald Trump’s once delayed, and much anticipated, speech on Hillary Clinton’s character, included numerous false and misleading statements:

Trump falsely claimed that U.S. Ambassador to Libya Chris Stevens “was left helpless to die as Hillary Clinton soundly slept in her bed.”

Trump misleadingly claimed that Clinton “accepted $58,000 in jewelry from the government of Brunei when she was secretary of state.”

Trump claimed without any evidence that Clinton “wants to spend hundreds of billions of dollars to settle Middle Eastern refugees in the United States.”

Trump overstated his case when he claimed the U.S. “trade deficit with China soared 40 percent during Hillary Clinton’s time as secretary of state.”

Trump blamed Clinton for the “disastrous strategy of announcing our departure from Iraq, handing large parts of the country over to ISIS and the ISIS killers.”

Trump falsely claimed that Clinton would “end virtually all immigration enforcement and thus create totally open borders for the United States.”

Trump falsely claimed that the private server that Clinton used as secretary of state “was easily hacked by foreign governments.”

Trump falsely claimed that “Hillary Clinton’s State Department approved the transfer of 20 percent of America’s uranium holdings to Russia.”

Trump claimed he was opposed to the Iraq war “before the war ever started.” There is no evidence of that.

Trump wrongly said that “real wages for our workers have not been raised for 18 years.”

Trump described the North American Free Trade Agreement as “Bill Clinton’s disastrous and totally disastrous NAFTA.”

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/factc...-on-clinton’s-character/ar-AAhuEB2?li=BBnb7Kz
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Sounds like Trump has learned real quick how to be a politician. :)
 
christiefan915 said:
...but cons will just slurp this up. :D Analysis at the link.

Donald Trump’s once delayed, and much anticipated, speech on Hillary Clinton’s character, included numerous false and misleading statements:

Trump falsely claimed that U.S. Ambassador to Libya Chris Stevens “was left helpless to die as Hillary Clinton soundly slept in her bed.”

Trump misleadingly claimed that Clinton “accepted $58,000 in jewelry from the government of Brunei when she was secretary of state.”

Trump claimed without any evidence that Clinton “wants to spend hundreds of billions of dollars to settle Middle Eastern refugees in the United States.”

Trump overstated his case when he claimed the U.S. “trade deficit with China soared 40 percent during Hillary Clinton’s time as secretary of state.”

Trump blamed Clinton for the “disastrous strategy of announcing our departure from Iraq, handing large parts of the country over to ISIS and the ISIS killers.”

Trump falsely claimed that Clinton would “end virtually all immigration enforcement and thus create totally open borders for the United States.”

Trump falsely claimed that the private server that Clinton used as secretary of state “was easily hacked by foreign governments.”

Trump falsely claimed that “Hillary Clinton’s State Department approved the transfer of 20 percent of America’s uranium holdings to Russia.”

Trump claimed he was opposed to the Iraq war “before the war ever started.” There is no evidence of that.

Trump wrongly said that “real wages for our workers have not been raised for 18 years.”

Trump described the North American Free Trade Agreement as “Bill Clinton’s disastrous and totally disastrous NAFTA.”

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/factc...-on-clinton’s-character/ar-AAhuEB2?li=BBnb7Kz
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Summary

Donald Trump’s once delayed, and much anticipated, speech on Hillary Clinton’s character, included numerous false and misleading statements:

Trump falsely claimed that U.S. Ambassador to Libya Chris Stevens “was left helpless to die as Hillary Clinton soundly slept in her bed.” Two emails from Clinton show that she was awake after it was learned that Stevens had died in the attack on the diplomatic facility in Benghazi.'

TRUE...He didn't claim she was in bed after she learned he was dead...he said she was in bed and left him helpless to die during the attack...


Trump misleadingly claimed that Clinton “accepted $58,000 in jewelry from the government of Brunei when she was secretary of state.” He didn’t mention that the gift was accepted on behalf of the United States, and that it was transferred to the General Services Administration.

TRUE...Hillary did accept jewelry from the government of Brunei. (end of claim)

Trump claimed without any evidence that Clinton “wants to spend hundreds of billions of dollars to settle Middle Eastern refugees in the United States.” The numbers don’t add up. The total refugee budget was $1.67 billion in fiscal 2016, so it is unlikely that Clinton could add “hundred of billions” to the budget for refugee assistance.

TRUE...she supports Obama's ME refugee program and that will add billions to the budget for refugee assistance.

Trump overstated his case when he claimed the U.S. “trade deficit with China soared 40 percent during Hillary Clinton’s time as secretary of state.” It went up 17 percent, and we note that trade is under the purview of the Commerce Department, not the State Department.

More than 40% of the U.S. trade deficit in goods was with China. America's $29.7 billion deficit was created by $481.9 billion in imports, primarily consumer electronics, clothing, and machinery. It outweighed the $116.2 billion in U.S. exports to China. (Source: U.S. Census, U.S. Trade in Goods With China)

Trump blamed Clinton for the “disastrous strategy of announcing our departure from Iraq, handing large parts of the country over to ISIS and the ISIS killers.” The departure date was set by President George W. Bush. President Obama made the ultimate call to keep the scheduled departure date, not Clinton.

Blame Bush Syndrome again....circumstances changed from when Bush was president....President Obama made the ultimate call to keep the scheduled departure date, not Clinton.
No proof about Hillary either way...if you believe she didn't advise Obama in any way....OK....even though its part her job as SofS to do that.


Trump falsely claimed that Clinton would “end virtually all immigration enforcement and thus create totally open borders for the United States.” Clinton supported a Senate immigration bill that would create a path to citizenship for those in the country illegally, but it also would have included large investments in border security.

Hillary backs Obama's handling of immigration...she said so herself....and Obama's handling of the problem leans more to open borders than not...

Trump falsely claimed that the private server that Clinton used as secretary of state “was easily hacked by foreign governments.” Attempts were made to hack into Clinton’s server, but the identity of the hackers has not been determined and there has been no evidence to date that any of them were successful.

Hackers admit to accessing the server...you'd be a fool to imagine the Obama admin. will admit that fact. A accurate statement would that "there has been no evidence RELEASED to date that any of them were successful."
These idiots won't even admit that the Orlando shootings were ISIS/Islamic terrorist inspired....

Trump falsely claimed that “Hillary Clinton’s State Department approved the transfer of 20 percent of America’s uranium holdings to Russia.” The transfer was approved by a committee headed by the Treasury Department and made up of nine voting members throughout government, including one from the State Department.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-journa...embarrassment-cristina-alesci-laurie-frankel/
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/u...ssed-for-control-of-uranium-company.html?_r=0
 
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cawacko said:
But people soak up Hillary's lies. Does that make them any better?
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Which ones?

You know I have my own issues with Hillary, those are primarily based on fact. #1. That she voted for the immoral war in Iraq as a Senator and#2. Electing another Clinton represents both political inbreeding and a permanent political class that we simply don't need in this nation.

I do sympathize with Clinton in that the vast majority of the scandals regarding Clinton have been invented by right wing opponents either by misrepresenting the facts or simply out of whole cloth. And what really pisses off most of these bozo's is that they are outraged that she can play that game too. Talk about hypocrisy.

Clinton certainly has her flaws...it's just not the ones that right wing medial blow a lot of smoke about.

Unfortunately We only have two real choices and though I'd much rather have a Democrat than Clinton to vote for, for the two reasons I stated, there is no arguing that she is vastly more qualified than an a populist, bloviating, demagogue, plutocrat like Trump who has, by and large, an empty bucket on policy and is throwing a sales pitch to the least informed segment of the population that is to ignorant to know a sales pitch when they hear one.

Does it suck having to vote for someone you'd prefer not too? Sure but it's not like I have much choice. I'm not about to take a chance of Trump being elected. So, the bottom line is I know why Clinton is loathed by vast numbers of white working class men and right wing partisans (mostly white and male) and it's not because of anything to do with her record and has everything to do with the fact that she's a highly educated, successful professional and highly experienced national level politician that happens to be a woman and can play hardball with the good ole boys.

I think what's the really great thing about Hillary is how many times right wing partisans have thrown made up slime at her hoping some will stick and then when she plays hard ball those pussy's cry "Foul!". What a joke.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Which ones?

You know I have my own issues with Hillary, those are primarily based on fact. #1. That she voted for the immoral war in Iraq as a Senator and#2. Electing another Clinton represents both political inbreeding and a permanent political class that we simply don't need in this nation.

I do sympathize with Clinton in that the vast majority of the scandals regarding Clinton have been invented by right wing opponents either by misrepresenting the facts or simply out of whole cloth. And what really pisses off most of these bozo's is that they are outraged that she can play that game too. Talk about hypocrisy.

Clinton certainly has her flaws...it's just not the ones that right wing medial blow a lot of smoke about.

Unfortunately We only have two real choices and though I'd much rather have a Democrat than Clinton to vote for, for the two reasons I stated, there is no arguing that she is vastly more qualified than an a populist, bloviating, demagogue, plutocrat like Trump who has, by and large, an empty bucket on policy and is throwing a sales pitch to the least informed segment of the population that is to ignorant to know a sales pitch when they hear one.

Does it suck having to vote for someone you'd prefer not too? Sure but it's not like I have much choice. I'm not about to take a chance of Trump being elected. So, the bottom line is I know why Clinton is loathed by vast numbers of white working class men and right wing partisans (mostly white and male) and it's not because of anything to do with her record and has everything to do with the fact that she's a highly educated, successful professional and highly experienced national level politician that happens to be a woman and can play hardball with the good ole boys.

I think what's the really great thing about Hillary is how many times right wing partisans have thrown made up slime at her hoping some will stick and then when she plays hard ball those pussy's cry "Foul!". What a joke.
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I don't care who you or others vote for just please spare me this whole sexism crap and excuses for Hillary crap. Jarod the other day claims he wants a President with integrity. When asked if Hillary has integrity he responds 'she has more than Trump'. WTF is that? Again, vote for her, I don't care. But stop trying to make her out to be something she's not to justify your vote in your own mind.

And pretty amazing for this great feminist when talk comes to fixing the economy she says she's going to turn it over to her husband because he knows how to do it. Leaving aside the fact Bill took office with an economy that was experiencing over 4% growth what kind of comment is that? She has no confidence in her own abilities? That's this great feminist you claim men are scared of?
 
cawacko said:
I don't care who you or others vote for just please spare me this whole sexism crap and excuses for Hillary crap. Jarod the other day claims he wants a President with integrity. When asked if Hillary has integrity he responds 'she has more than Trump'. WTF is that? Again, vote for her, I don't care. But stop trying to make her out to be something she's not to justify your vote in your own mind.

And pretty amazing for this great feminist when talk comes to fixing the economy she says she's going to turn it over to her husband because he knows how to do it. Leaving aside the fact Bill took office with an economy that was experiencing over 4% growth what kind of comment is that? She has no confidence in her own abilities? That's this great feminist you claim men are scared of?
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Yes. Vast numbers of them for some reason.
 
cawacko said:
I don't care who you or others vote for just please spare me this whole sexism crap and excuses for Hillary crap. Jarod the other day claims he wants a President with integrity. When asked if Hillary has integrity he responds 'she has more than Trump'. WTF is that? Again, vote for her, I don't care. But stop trying to make her out to be something she's not to justify your vote in your own mind.

And pretty amazing for this great feminist when talk comes to fixing the economy she says she's going to turn it over to her husband because he knows how to do it. Leaving aside the fact Bill took office with an economy that was experiencing over 4% growth what kind of comment is that? She has no confidence in her own abilities? That's this great feminist you claim men are scared of?
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http://www.theodora.com/wfb/1992/united_states/united_states_economy.html



United States Economy 1992
http://www.theodora.com/wfb/1992/united_states/united_states_economy.html
SOURCE: 1992 CIA WORLD FACTBOOK

Per Capita GDP/GNP: 21,800

GDP/GNP Million: 5,465,000

GDP/GNP Growth Rate %: 1.00

Inflation rate %: 5.40

Labor force: 126,424,000

Unemployment rate %: 5.50

Budget expenditures Million: 1,272,000.00

Budget revenues Million: 1,106,000.00

Industrial growth rate %: 1.00

Exports Million: 393,900.00

Imports Million: 516,200.00

External debt Million: 581,000.00
 
evince said:
http://www.theodora.com/wfb/1992/united_states/united_states_economy.html



United States Economy 1992
http://www.theodora.com/wfb/1992/united_states/united_states_economy.html
SOURCE: 1992 CIA WORLD FACTBOOK

Per Capita GDP/GNP: 21,800

GDP/GNP Million: 5,465,000

GDP/GNP Growth Rate %: 1.00

Inflation rate %: 5.40

Labor force: 126,424,000

Unemployment rate %: 5.50

Budget expenditures Million: 1,272,000.00

Budget revenues Million: 1,106,000.00

Industrial growth rate %: 1.00

Exports Million: 393,900.00

Imports Million: 516,200.00

External debt Million: 581,000.00
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Is there a point you are trying to make here Desh?
 
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