I don't know about you, but I don't remember a time in the past 200 years where the people storming churches were the good guys...

Damocles said:
M'eh. this is a bit like someone taking sanctuary in an Embassy... If they leave they can be arrested. I get what you are saying, but saying they are "raiding churches" is a simple and direct lie trying to get an emotive reaction from idiots that will not check your work.
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I disagree, the reason for taking sanctuary in an embassy is to avoid arrest. Arresting people as they leave a church has a chilling effect on freedom of religion. There are other ways and means of arresting people that would be less harmful than waiting outside a place of worship. If a person is using a Church as a method of evading arrest, I would be okay with arresting them if they leave. If they are casually going to church and leaving when the service is over, I think there is generally a better way.
 
volsrocks said:
child porn on your computer is a non-violen crime ...so dont areest the sicko as he leaves church?
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I do not believe child porn is a non-violent crime. That being said, there are much better ways and locations for arresting such a person. Follow them home then arrest them. Doing it as they leave a church is simply a worse way.
 
Jarod said:
I disagree, the reason for taking sanctuary in an embassy is to avoid arrest. Arresting people as they leave a church has a chilling effect on freedom of religion. There are other ways and means of arresting people that would be less harmful than waiting outside a place of worship. If a person is using a Church as a method of evading arrest, I would be okay with arresting them if they leave. If they are casually going to church and leaving when the service is over, I think there is generally a better way.
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Churches are literally the place that "Sanctuary" was named for... again, I get what you are saying, but it is what it is. Lying about "storming churches" are a deliberate gaslight for the emotive idiot you know you can sway as they will not check.
 
Jarod said:
Child porn is a violent crime. But there are better ways of arresting people for that.
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The easiest is to place a detainer on someone in Jail so they can be picked up there and therefore sweeps would be unnecessary, thus ensuring the folks that are not their target are caught up in a sweep. The issue is that in these places, regardless of the crime associated they refuse to hold them.
 
IBDaMann said:
KKKchurch.jpg

That's ALL the Democrats had.
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I love how you guys pretend nothing has changed in the last 70 years or so.

So education for ya!

www.studentsofhistory.com

The Great Switch: How Republicans and Democrats Flipped Ideologies

An overview of the realignment of the Republican Party and Democratic Party and how they flipped ideologies of liberal and conservative over the course of US History.
www.studentsofhistory.com www.studentsofhistory.com
 
Jarod said:
I do not believe child porn is a non-violent crime. That being said, there are much better ways and locations for arresting such a person. Follow them home then arrest them. Doing it as they leave a church is simply a worse way.
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If they are a child predator. I could not care less at how they are arrested. Arrest them at the first opportunity.
 
Damocles said:
Churches are literally the place that "Sanctuary" was named for... again, I get what you are saying, but it is what it is. Lying about "storming churches" are a deliberate gaslight for the emotive idiot you know you can sway as they will not check.
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I do not know the facts that are alleged, but speaking theoretically, generally I believe that laying in wait to arrest non-violent offenders as they leave a place of worship should be avoided if possible. It should never be a tactic.
 
Damocles said:
The easiest is to place a detainer on someone in Jail so they can be picked up there and therefore sweeps would be unnecessary, thus ensuring the folks that are not their target are caught up in a sweep. The issue is that in these places, regardless of the crime associated they refuse to hold them.
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I agree, that would generally be the easiest way.

In VERY liberal Palm Beach County, when I was a prosecutor, if we knew someone who had committed a violent crime could be detained due to immigration status, we would call border patrol. That was 25 years ago. I personally did it a few times, let them know that such a person was being released at this time and place... It was an effective way of getting dangerous people off the streets.

Not sure I would do that in todays environment, because I do not believe they should be sent to a prison known for torture, like what happened to Abrego Garcia.
 
FastLane said:
If they are a child predator. I could not care less at how they are arrested. Arrest them at the first opportunity.
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I somewhat agree, that is different than the original complaint. I think they should be arrested at the first opportunity that does not present a great risk to the general public. Laying in wait outside a Church when you know where they live is not that.
 
Jarod said:
I do not know the facts that are alleged, but speaking theoretically, generally I believe that laying in wait to arrest non-violent offenders as they leave a place of worship should be avoided if possible. It should never be a tactic.
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WHY???

law enforcement officers can arrest the suspect named on the warrant anytime, anywhere.
 
Damocles said:
The easiest is to place a detainer on someone in Jail so they can be picked up there and therefore sweeps would be unnecessary, thus ensuring the folks that are not their target are caught up in a sweep. The issue is that in these places, regardless of the crime associated they refuse to hold them.
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EXACTLY. The sanctuary laws are making it less dangerous for violent criminal aliens and more dangerous for non violent illegal aliens that get swept up in raids. If you are a nonviolent illegal and ICE raids your apartment looking for a child rapist roommate you are going to get arrested and deported too.
 
Crepitus said:
I love how you guys pretend nothing has changed in the last 70 years or so.

So education for ya!

www.studentsofhistory.com

The Great Switch: How Republicans and Democrats Flipped Ideologies

An overview of the realignment of the Republican Party and Democratic Party and how they flipped ideologies of liberal and conservative over the course of US History.
www.studentsofhistory.com www.studentsofhistory.com
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Back then the Dixiecrats where the KKK's party, but after the civil right movement, the KKK changed it's party to the Republican.
 
Jarod said:
Not sure I would do that in todays environment,
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... because today you have TDS and are totally irrational. Your HATRED for America compels you to fuck with any and all citizens who want to make America great again.

Jarod said:
because I do not believe they should be sent to a prison known for torture,
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No lie is beneath you.

Jarod said:
like what happened to Abrego Garcia.
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Explain.
 
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