I diubt Rump is guilty of collusion.
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How so?
There is no crime of "collusion."
True, but collusion is a part of several crimes.
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Has the investigation been hindered in anyway? All I hear from your fellow libs is how great it is going and that Trump is going down any day.
Nomad
Every trumper is a N4T.
I think he might be guilty of it, but made sure his finger prints weren't on anything.
Maybe Kushy and Lil' Dumpy Jr will take the fall.
Probably do a couple of years tops in a country club prison, then Dump will pardon them during his last year with the promise of a hundred million each when they get out.
There is a crime for parsing and semantic bullshit though.
Fox’s Geraldo Rivera and Sean Hannity have made the more specific argument that a Trump campaign official would not have broken the law by asking a Russian person to release hacked emails. “Is that a crime, to say ‘release it?'” Hannity asked on his radio show Friday.
“Fuck yeah, potentially,” responds Ekeland. He notes he has defended clients prosecuted for actions comparable to those of the hypothetical Trump aide. Hacking into someone’s email is a federal felony. Encouraging that crime may constitute a conspiracy to violate federal identify theft and computer fraud laws, Ekeland says. (On July 27, at a campaign press conference, Trump essentially encouraged Russia to hack Hillary Clinton: “Russia: If you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing.”)
Renato Mariotti, who prosecuted cybercrime and financial fraud cases as an assistant US attorney in Chicago, says a person who encouraged the release of emails stolen from an American could face prosecution for aiding and abetting computer fraud.* “You have to know of the criminal activity and take affirmative steps to help it succeed,” he says.
Attorneys also say that a person who colluded with hackers should worry about being charged for wire fraud, a broad law that prohibits the use of communications technology, including the internet, with the intent to commit fraud. They also note that a colluder could face prosecution for violating copyright, trade secrets, and even espionage laws.
If you "colluded" with Russians to commit a crime, you committed a crime even if the crime does not contain the word colluded. If you did it, then you conspired to do it.
The only people who mount that defense are those who don't understand enough to be taken seriously.
You may have an argument against the use of the word collusion, but your argument that Trump can avoid a frog march is VERY weak.
Darth Omar
Russian asset
There is a crime for parsing and semantic bullshit though.
Fox’s Geraldo Rivera and Sean Hannity have made the more specific argument that a Trump campaign official would not have broken the law by asking a Russian person to release hacked emails. “Is that a crime, to say ‘release it?'” Hannity asked on his radio show Friday.
“Fuck yeah, potentially,” responds Ekeland. He notes he has defended clients prosecuted for actions comparable to those of the hypothetical Trump aide. Hacking into someone’s email is a federal felony. Encouraging that crime may constitute a conspiracy to violate federal identify theft and computer fraud laws, Ekeland says. (On July 27, at a campaign press conference, Trump essentially encouraged Russia to hack Hillary Clinton: “Russia: If you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing.”)
Renato Mariotti, who prosecuted cybercrime and financial fraud cases as an assistant US attorney in Chicago, says a person who encouraged the release of emails stolen from an American could face prosecution for aiding and abetting computer fraud.* “You have to know of the criminal activity and take affirmative steps to help it succeed,” he says.
Attorneys also say that a person who colluded with hackers should worry about being charged for wire fraud, a broad law that prohibits the use of communications technology, including the internet, with the intent to commit fraud. They also note that a colluder could face prosecution for violating copyright, trade secrets, and even espionage laws.
If you "colluded" with Russians to commit a crime, you committed a crime even if the crime does not contain the word colluded. If you did it, then you conspired to do it.
The only people who mount that defense are those who don't understand enough to be taken seriously.
You may have an argument against the use of the word collusion, but your argument that Trump can avoid a frog march is VERY weak.
What about using fraudulent evidence to open an investigation into a sitting president?
Maybe you shouldn’t wish too hard for a frog march.
Darth Omar
Russian asset
Was it this thread or another where someone mentioned chutzpah lol?
Chutzpah is accusing Trump of colluding with the Russians using a fake Dossier as evidence, obtained through...wait for it...Russian collusion!
How do you even make it up?
The Economist pointed out that those who ran the Buffoon's election campaign were too disorganised and clownish to organise a successful conspiracy, and, as for Trump, I imagine he has to be shown where his arse is before he can successfully crap, if he can successfully crap - he seems to be full of it, doesn't he?
FUBAR nonsense,, it's just TDS . You could even see that by the FBI investigators, and the Mueller team
Althea
Althea told me...
50/50. But...the issue here is that gross conflict of interest he/his family has. That's why he never released his corporate returns. There's a direct line from Putin's pocket, to trump's bank account. That alone should disqualify anyone from being POTUS.
Althea
Althea told me...
Mueller was borne out of his obstruction of justice. Firing Comey was his first mistake. Admitting on natl. t.v that the did it because of 'Russiar' was his second. Laughing about it with the Russian operatives in the oval office was his third.
Darth Omar
Russian asset
It was the funny guy on Fox who said Strzok might as well been Michael Moore the TDS was so bad lol.
And he was the FBI lead man in Hillary’s email investigation; he was behind the rewording in Comey’s non-charge; he pushed the fake Dossier on the FISA court and interviewed Flynn, without Flynn’s lawyers being present.
Unbelievable.
Althea
Althea told me...
If only he released his tax returns, we wouldn't be here. Some other Conservative idiot would have lost to Clinton.
But..here we are, and trump will wish he never descended that piss colored escalator.
Althea
Althea told me...
The glaring flaw in your fantasy, is the adjective you continue to use when referencing the dossier.
Darth Omar
Russian asset
It’s fake enough enough to wear the label.
Not that it matters. Or do you think it would matter if Junior got some truth on Hillary in his Russian meeting?