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Is calling the suspect a 'bully' an accusation?
Is calling the suspect a 'bully' an accusation?
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WinterBorn
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Considering the event was captured on video, would you claim he is not a bully?
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Guns Guns Guns
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That's not the issue.
If describing someone a drunkard is an 'accusation', does describing someone as a 'bully' fit your definition of an accusation?
Minister of Truth
Practically Perfect
How about describing the faggot troll as a fag?
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WinterBorn
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Does the amount of evidence not differentiate between the two accusations?
icedancer2theend
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We had a 15 year old girl stab two other girls in nearby a city high school- nearly killing one of them- because she wanted to see what it was like to kill someone. High Schools are starting to look a lot more like prison institutions, with regards to to behavior, then people like to think.
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WinterBorn
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My daughter's school has had a rash of pregnancies and several serious drug problems because the kids "wanted to see what it felt like". I think there is a serious lack of guidance for these kids.
And while bullying has always been around, the lengths to which kids take it today is sick.
icedancer2theend
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So many kids come across as both entitled to whatever they want and calloused to what others deserve i.e. respect; empathy; consideration. This is why bullying and other forms of violence have taken a more deadly turn imo.
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I don't exactly hate rabid dogs either. I wish they didn't have rabies.
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I've heard other murderers give that explanation as well. Even if you literally just assign the lives of other human beings zero value, it seems stupid. I think they just want to seem more dramatic and enigmatic than they really are, and being honest about their primitive emotions wouldn't contribute to that.
Anyway, as I've stated before, violence really isn't nearly as bad as it used to be. It's somewhat ironic to look back on the present era as more pure and orderly than the last, but that's what the data says. Even in the safest country in the world, some people are going to stab each other sometimes.
icedancer2theend
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I hear you regarding the idea that violence has always been part of the human condition, it goes with out explanation that we would disagree as to why that is... nonetheless, violence has always been a part of society. My point is that in this country, the violence in our youth culture, has devolved. I remember high school from the late 70's- we got high- pulled pranks. But kids were not overtly violent and depressed. Though I know that even from my older sisters high school years in the 60's things had begun to slide down hill- and now a days, it's like anything goes. You don't have the vantage point older generations have- but truly kids were just more respectful and responsible as a whole then they are now.
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They should charge all those who stood by, with criminal indeference.
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WinterBorn
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How about those who constantly belittle gays and talk about their immoral actions causing all sorts of evil to be visited on us? Do they share any responsibility?
icedancer2theend
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Belittling anyone is non-productive- and directed at a child, is definitely a form of bullying. But it cannot be used an an excuse for violence. Especially in light of the fact that there exists so many pounding the drum of acceptance with regards to homosexuality. People are entitled to hold their own views; good bad; or ugly. We can not afford as a society to excuse violence, because someone calls names or hold someones views as responsible for another persons behavior. Most religious faiths hold that homosexuality is wrong. There is a difference between believing a behavior is morally wrong and believing someone should be bullied or harmed or criminally punished for said behavior.
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But, you're kind of looking at an outlier and using it to condemn the whole. I never had experiences with violence like that when I was in school. My class was actually quite boring. Really, compared to what happened between the boomers and the greatest, the millenials are kind of tame*. It's not the case that the thing to do amongst the youth used to be pulling pranks and getting high, and now we're really into stabbling each other. There were students who stabbed each other at some schools in your day as well; you shouldn't take the specific and use it to establish a general case. You should avoid generalizing. If you must generalize, you should do so with boring statistics that look at the group as a whole. You shouldn't try to do so with anecdotes.
*Perhaps not such a bad thing. The boomers started pointless rebellion, adopted leftism as revolutionary shik, more as a fashion statement than anything with a coherent ideology, and soon the right co-opted their bullshit anti-authoritarian rhetoric anyway and soon produced something even more conservative than the Greatest ever dreamed of anyway.
icedancer2theend
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Your personal experience being no more an indicator of facts then mine. I suppose my personal experience carries somewhat more value, as I have had, and still have, one teenaged kid at home. I have therefore been exposed to a few different communities and high school environments. But since you need stats to satisfy what I acknowledge are just my observations here is one. There are many other pages full of stats as well as observations and studies.
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"Violent crime is a key social and public issue that significantly contributes to the morbidity and mortality of adolescents and places a significant economic burden on society. Overall, juveniles (legally described as adolescents under 18) are responsible for only 19% of all violent crime committed in the United States. However, the peak age incidence for violent offenders is 18, well within the spectrum of the adolescent age grouping. Over the past 10 years, arrests for juvenile crime have increased by 67%, leading some experts to worry that, given the expected increase in the size of the juvenile population by the year 2010, the number of arrests for juvenile crime will double. Fortunately, there has been a decline in the rates of juvenile violent crime over the past 2 years. This article reviews statistical trends, contributing factors and innovative approaches to prevention and intervention."
apple0154
MEOW
Ahhh. Most insightful. Do you suppose they get that attitude from a society/political system that encourages one to grab what they can and to hell with others even if those others can not afford basic medical care?
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Banned
Nope. They get it from watching it done by others. This permissive society and it's sickness is directly tied to the left and their multiculturalism bullshit. When you allow young men to attend school with pants hanging down around their ass and young women dressing like sluts in public education then you're gonna create a society of less self respect and the natural outcome is less respect for everyone.
Yeah pinhead....these kids are so sophisticated when it comes to politics and issues and who can and can not afford medical care...you can always tell by the way their pants are down around their asses and their hats are on sideways.[/sarcasm]
Apple .... you are just too fuckin' stupid and ignorant for words....
USFREEDOM911
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Words do not cause action. It may cause negative feelings; but that is not an excuse for violent behavior.
As to "...all sorts of evil to be visited on us..." is going to need to clarified with some relevant examples.
You do realize, I hope, that there is a great deal of difference between someone saying that someone else is wrong and another person saying that they should be killed.