I agree with Rush...!

[NOVA]

Yeah...there are some people that are "truly delusional."

Some people seem to totally forget, or maybe consciously ignore the Congressional vote on "THE IRAQI WAR RESOLUTION"
What it was all about.
What it supported.
The FACT that it WOULD NOT HAVE EVEN PASSED without the support of a certain political party voting YES in a significant way.....including the biggest stars in that party....

Then that party claiming, "we didn't know what we were voting for"...."we were fooled".....(fooled by a man they regularly called a moron)

And now, even today, we have some peckerheads that still repeat those ridiculous lies...that re-written history, as if it were true...
Even after witnessing for themselves what truely happened...they repeat the lies .....

The infamous Dem. Quotes that warned of dire consequences if Saddam was not stopped....if he was allowed to continue his WMD buildup....the clear and present and IMMINENT danger he was to the US and entire middle east.......warnings that continued for at least 6 years ... over 2 administrations....

Yes....its like those things never happened.....

the new, re-written, untrue version of history is now the mantra of the peckerheads.....they could not even believe their own fuckin' eyes and ears as they witnessed the truth....they needed to be re-educated on what they saw first hand.....

Yeah...there are some people that are "truly delusional."

 

[NOVA]

And disbanding the military was dumb, dumb, dumb. If you read about the decision, they didn't even think about it much, but regretted it almost immediately after.

That was not an army of Saddam loyalists. They would have helped restore stability much, much sooner.

Get off of spin mode once in awhile.

Get off the "what MIGHT" have happened IF bullshit....
you fancy yourself a god damn fortune teller or are you the peckerhead in question./....

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Some people seem to totally forget, or maybe consciously ignore the Congressional vote on "THE IRAQI WAR RESOLUTION"
What it was all about.
What it supported.
The FACT that it WOULD NOT HAVE EVEN PASSED without the support of a certain political party voting YES in a significant way.....including the biggest stars in that party....

Not to mention, before Bush even thought about running for president, a certain Democrat president signed into law, the 1998 Iraqi Liberation Act, calling for the toppling of Saddam, and replacing his regime with Democracy! Yeah, but... it was ALL Bush's idea?

 

[Onceler]

Wow! The connie cons have lost their minds.

First, the Democrats "voted to invade." Now, it was called the "Iraqi War Resolution."

Rewrite history much?

It's cool; you're finally coming around to admitting that Bush's decision was a colossal mistake. At least that's some progress.

 

[Onceler]

It's actually pretty amazing how much the rightie position has evolved on this.

Prediction: in about 2-3 years, Dixie & bravo take it to the next level, and claim that Bush argued vehemently against invasion, but was helpless to stop the Dem Congress from making the decision...

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

It's actually pretty amazing how much the rightie position has evolved on this.

Prediction: in about 2-3 years, Dixie & bravo take it to the next level, and claim that Bush argued vehemently against invasion, but was helpless to stop the Dem Congress from making the decision...

1998- H.R. 4655 Iraq Liberation Act

Iraq Liberation Act of 1998 - Declares that it should be the policy of the United States to seek to remove the Saddam Hussein regime from power in Iraq and to replace it with a democratic government.

Urges the President to call upon the United Nations to establish an international criminal tribunal for the purpose of indicting, prosecuting, and imprisoning Saddam Hussein and other Iraqi officials who are responsible for crimes against humanity, genocide, and other criminal violations of international law.

Expresses the sense of the Congress that once the Saddam Hussein regime is removed from power in Iraq, the United States should support Iraq's transition to democracy by providing humanitarian assistance to the Iraqi people and democracy transition assistance to Iraqi parties and movements with democratic goals, including convening Iraq's foreign creditors to develop a multilateral response to the foreign debt incurred by the Hussein regime.

--Signed into law by President William Jefferson Clinton....
TWO YEARS BEFORE BUSH WAS ELECTED PRESIDENT!

 

[Onceler]

Ah....now Clinton made the decision to invade!

Bush - the bystander President.

Does anyone else hear the theme from the "Twilight Zone"?

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Ah....now Clinton made the decision to invade!

Bush - the bystander President.

Does anyone else hear the theme from the "Twilight Zone"?

No, we already covered that, retard. The Authorization to Use Military Force in Iraq was passed by Congress with bipartisan support, and some very convincing and compelling speeches on the floor by people like John Kerry and Ted Kennedy. I can go look up the bill number and text of that as well, if you like?

 

[Onceler]

No, we already covered that, retard. The Authorization to Use Military Force in Iraq was passed by Congress with bipartisan support, and some very convincing and compelling speeches on the floor by people like John Kerry and Ted Kennedy. I can go look up the bill number and text of that as well, if you like?

Oh...you mean the "Iraqi WAR Resolution?"

Yeah - please look up Kerry's speech. Let me know how many times he mentions "invasion."

This is fun.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

It's cool; you're finally coming around to admitting that Bush's decision was a colossal mistake. At least that's some progress.

And oh by the fucking way... I see NO ONE who is admitting any such thing.

It was a colossal mistake to elect a Liberal as president, in the hopes he could "fix" the "mess!" Because he has only fucked it up worse. The bottom line, at this point, is this... Obama can't win this war (war on terror), Liberals lack the fortitude to win it, so let's get the hell out of there NOW! Fuck it! Let those people die and suffer, and be slaughtered by the monsters, and somewhere down the road, when we eventually have to confront this evil and stop it, maybe you will not have completely gutted the military.

When your grandkids ask you why their generation is having to make tremendous sacrifices to defeat radical Islamofascism, and their history books tell them Bush tried to implement a strategy back at the turn of the century, you make sure to look them in the eye and tell them it was YOU who prevented that from happening back then!

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Oh...you mean the "Iraqi WAR Resolution?"

Yeah - please look up Kerry's speech. Let me know how many times he mentions "invasion."

This is fun.

EARTH TO LUMMOX....

NEWSFLASH: It's not 2004 anymore, and John Kerry isn't running for president!

No, I mean the Authorization (big important word there) to use this thing called "Military Force" which involves tanks, soldiers, bombs, jets, guns and shit! It was voted on by the whole entire Congress, your representative included, and they all decided to approve the legislation, which gave Bush the sole authority to use whatever military means he saw fit, to deal with Saddam. Now when the intellectual people, fifty years from now, are discussing this whole episode, this particular document is a part of public record. It says what it says, it does what it does! It can not be "explained" or "refuted" with distortions and lies from people who have simply consumed too much Olbermann-flavored Koolaid!

 

[Onceler]

LOL

You're completely losing your mind. It's really interesting.

YOU brought up Kerry, Dix. Just a couple of posts ago. Did you forget?

Oh, and you also said - also on this thread - that the decision to INVADE was made by Congress.

Completely unhinged. You're a crazy person.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

LOL

You're completely losing your mind. It's really interesting.

YOU brought up Kerry, Dix. Just a couple of posts ago. Did you forget?

Oh, and you also said - also on this thread - that the decision to INVADE was made by Congress.

Completely unhinged. You're a crazy person.

I brought up that Kerry stood on the floor of the Senate and WARNED us about the danger of leaving Saddam Hussein in power, and the ominous threat he posed, and how we would have to be stupid to not take action! He said it, and other prominent democrats said it, and Bill Clinton signed a resolution saying it, two years before Bush even held office!

And in your retarded dysfunctional brain, how do you interpret authorization to use military force, without understanding it is an authorization to go to war? Oh, don't bother answering, I already know the answer... seems we've been through this about a million times at least! They were tricked and fooled, by George W. Bush!

 

[Mott the Hoople]

Id say we should expect to lose both House and Senate, Im expecting an October suprise.

Democrats are bored and unenthused, Republicans are scared and excited about voting.

I don't think so. I think it's over stated. I think a lot of people are just pissed at the partisan grid lock and want to "Vote the Bum Out". But when the get to the poll and find that their incumbents opponent is either Bevis or Butthead, they'll vote for the lesser of two evils and walk away disgusted. You'll see some change and not a lot.

 

[Onceler]

I brought up that Kerry stood on the floor of the Senate and WARNED us about the danger of leaving Saddam Hussein in power, and the ominous threat he posed, and how we would have to be stupid to not take action! He said it, and other prominent democrats said it, and Bill Clinton signed a resolution saying it, two years before Bush even held office!

And in your retarded dysfunctional brain, how do you interpret authorization to use military force, without understanding it is an authorization to go to war? Oh, don't bother answering, I already know the answer... seems we've been through this about a million times at least! They were tricked and fooled, by George W. Bush!

Well, they were. Even Dick Armey says that now. And Dick Armey is no John Kerry.

 

[christiefan915]

1998- H.R. 4655 Iraq Liberation Act

Iraq Liberation Act of 1998 - Declares that it should be the policy of the United States to seek to remove the Saddam Hussein regime from power in Iraq and to replace it with a democratic government.

Urges the President to call upon the United Nations to establish an international criminal tribunal for the purpose of indicting, prosecuting, and imprisoning Saddam Hussein and other Iraqi officials who are responsible for crimes against humanity, genocide, and other criminal violations of international law.

Expresses the sense of the Congress that once the Saddam Hussein regime is removed from power in Iraq, the United States should support Iraq's transition to democracy by providing humanitarian assistance to the Iraqi people and democracy transition assistance to Iraqi parties and movements with democratic goals, including convening Iraq's foreign creditors to develop a multilateral response to the foreign debt incurred by the Hussein regime.

--Signed into law by President William Jefferson Clinton....
TWO YEARS BEFORE BUSH WAS ELECTED PRESIDENT!

"Wants", "favors", "looks forward to", "providing support". Nothing about war or invasion.


Let me be clear on what the U.S. objectives are:

The United States wants Iraq to rejoin the family of nations as a freedom-loving and law-abiding member. This is in our interest and that of our allies within the region.

The United States favors an Iraq that offers its people freedom at home. I categorically reject arguments that this is unattainable due to Iraq's history or its ethnic or sectarian make-up. Iraqis deserve and desire freedom like everyone else.

The United States looks forward to a democratically supported regime that would permit us to enter into a dialogue leading to the reintegration of Iraq into normal international life.

In the meantime, while the United States continues to look to the Security Council's efforts to keep the current regime's behavior in check, we look forward to new leadership in Iraq that has the support of the Iraqi people. The United States is providing support to opposition groups from all sectors of the Iraqi community that could lead to a popularly supported government.

My Administration has pursued, and will continue to pursue, these objectives through active application of all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions. The evidence is overwhelming that such changes will not happen under the current Iraq leadership.

http://www.uhuh.com/laws/hr4655s.htm

Jesse Helms, Chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee, commented:

"This bill will begin the long-overdue process of ousting Saddam. It will not send in U.S. troops or commit American forces in any way.

According to Senator Bob Kerrey:

"Second, this bill is not a device to involve the U.S. military in operations in or near Iraq. The Iraqi revolution is for Iraqis, not Americans, to make.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Well, they were. Even Dick Armey says that now. And Dick Armey is no John Kerry.

No, Dick Armey did not say that Bush tricked and fooled Democrats into voting for war, you fucking retard! How about, when you concoct these lies, at least run them by a sane rational person first? Are you the same lying ass idiot who tried to claim Tancredo thought AZ "went too far" with their illegal immigration law? Or was that your brother, Prissy?

Look, Onzie-doodles, KNOW YOUR ROLE! Leave the lies and distortions to the intellectual Commie pinheads, you just need to swill the koolaid and follow along like the useful idiot prole you are!

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

"Wants", "favors", "looks forward to", "providing support". Nothing about war or invasion.


Let me be clear on what the U.S. objectives are:

The United States wants Iraq to rejoin the family of nations as a freedom-loving and law-abiding member. This is in our interest and that of our allies within the region.

The United States favors an Iraq that offers its people freedom at home. I categorically reject arguments that this is unattainable due to Iraq's history or its ethnic or sectarian make-up. Iraqis deserve and desire freedom like everyone else.

The United States looks forward to a democratically supported regime that would permit us to enter into a dialogue leading to the reintegration of Iraq into normal international life.

In the meantime, while the United States continues to look to the Security Council's efforts to keep the current regime's behavior in check, we look forward to new leadership in Iraq that has the support of the Iraqi people. The United States is providing support to opposition groups from all sectors of the Iraqi community that could lead to a popularly supported government.

My Administration has pursued, and will continue to pursue, these objectives through active application of all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions. The evidence is overwhelming that such changes will not happen under the current Iraq leadership.

http://www.uhuh.com/laws/hr4655s.htm

Jesse Helms, Chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee, commented:

"This bill will begin the long-overdue process of ousting Saddam. It will not send in U.S. troops or commit American forces in any way.

According to Senator Bob Kerrey:

"Second, this bill is not a device to involve the U.S. military in operations in or near Iraq. The Iraqi revolution is for Iraqis, not Americans, to make.

Right Christie, in 1998, we didn't invade Iraq! Sorry if you misunderstood my point, I never meant to imply that Clinton signed an Authorization to Use Military Force in Iraq, because he didn't. That was done in 2004, after sanctions and inspections had failed, and all prominent Democrats supported going to war.

I raised the issue of the 1998 ILA, because that is when American policy toward Iraq was formulated. Two years before Bush was president, our leaders had already decided Saddam must go, and we must replace him with Democracy. So this notion that Bush, the Cowboy, just came up with this whole idea all on his own, is a flat out LIE!

 

[apple0154]

The decision to Authorize Military Force was made by Congress, which last I checked, was not under the mind-controlling powers of George W. Bush. There is also the matter of FUNDING, which has needed to happen in order for the war to be fought. Also, something appropriated by Congress, not President Bush. So both the decision to go to war, and to fund the war, was made by Congress, which is comprised of Democrats as well as Republicans. Since 2006, Democrats have controlled all the power in Congress, with a filibuster-proof majority, so if they wanted to defund the war, stop the war, or start another war, they have the full unfettered power to do so. To blame the war on Bush at this point, is patently silly and foolish.... but then, you are a silly fool!

Yes, Congress made the decision based on lies and exaggerations and deceit and a "secret informant" who turned out to be Saddam's opponent. Who would have thought a political opponent, a direct contester, would spread lies about Saddam and WMDs so a foreign power would remove him?

Well here's the problem Jarhead, this president and this Democrat Congress doesn't have "years!" They have about a year and a half at best! So, you all can sit around whining about Bush, trying to paint this hopeless picture of the "mess" that Obama has to clean up, or you can get busy cleaning! So far, Obama has managed to send another 17,000 to Iraq and 30,000 to Afghanistan, implement a "rules of engagement" policy that frankly is a sick joke, and fired a top general because Obama's vanity was tarnished in an interview. He has pretty much polarized support from our allies as he bows and kisses the asses of our enemies. I don't see him "fixing" much of this "mess" you claim Bush left behind.

One does not completely destroy a country and then say, "Opps, we made a mistake" and simply go home. The very real chance of civil war/ethnic cleansing/massacres, in both Afghanistan and Iraq, is the result of the population being told great changes were coming and would be enforced by the Allies resulting in them turning against their own government. If the Allies leave too soon the "traitors", those who sided with us, will be harshly dealt with when the old way of governing is re-established and any compromise will result in some old ways being instituted.

Their customs and religion, whether good or bad, have been thrown out. After nine years of people believing they will enjoy the freedoms we are used to realize 'it ain't gonna happen' the excrement will hit the fan! That is the problem and that is the problem caused by Bush. Rather than go in and get the terrorists the Repubs decided to interfere with the local population; with their customs and beliefs and way of life.

After nine years of making promises that can not be upheld, promises of a new way of life, we see horrors like the 18 year old woman who had her ears and nose cut off. After listening to the lies and propaganda about freedom for half her life, the last nine years, did she ever imagine we wouldn't be there for her when she ran away, got caught and had that atrocity happen? Does anyone think we can change a country's/people's culture in a couple of years? Do people not realize if that's our goal it means we're destined to stay in those countries for a generation, or more?

Of course people realize that. At least the ones doing the invasion knew that. That's why permanent bases were being built. That's why there was no "exit plan". No one planned on exiting and that's the mess Obama is stuck with.

So, if you want never-ending war, on-going occupation of foreign countries, vote Republican.

And I know you all want to think this will "always be Bush's war" but the truth is, this will always be remembered as the war Obama lost, that we could have won. In the coming years, when radicalized Islamofascists eventually have to be confronted and stopped, and we are enduring untold thousands of casualties as a result, we can look back on the incompetence and errors in judgment made by Obama and people who were too stupid to see the writing on the wall when they had the chance. The turn-tail strategies we are employing in Iraq and Afghanistan will have severe and deadly consequences in the years to come. THAT is how this war will be remembered, and historians will ponder whether things may have not been so severe, if the Bush Doctrine had been followed.

No, historians will recall the disaster of the Bush plan if one can even call it a plan. More like a scheme dreamed up by someone incapable of running a hot dog stand, let alone a country.

As for the severe and deadly consequences they will be attributed to turning the native population against itself, again, thanks to the lies and rhetoric of the invading forces. While no one wants to see the Afghan or Iraqi people suffer a civil war no American son or daughter or mother or father owes their life to them. That is the mess Obama is stuck with. Bush's mess. The Republican mess.

One would be wise to remember that come November.

 

[NOVA]

Wow! The connie cons have lost their minds.

First, the Democrats "voted to invade." Now, it was called the "Iraqi War Resolution."

Rewrite history much?

What does your false version of history call it...?

It's actually pretty amazing how much the rightie position has evolved on this.

Prediction: in about 2-3 years, Dixie & bravo take it to the next level, and claim that Bush argued vehemently against invasion, but was helpless to stop the Dem Congress from making the decision...

Ah....now Clinton made the decision to invade!

NO ONE ever mentioned "invade" in this discussion by you....
Try reading what you actually see, not what you want to see
No one claimed "the Democrats voted to invade"

Bush - the bystander President.

Does anyone else hear the theme from the "Twilight Zone"?

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Senate approves Iraq war resolution
Administration applauds vote

Friday, October 11, 2002 Posted: 12:35 PM EDT (1635 GMT)

Sen. Blanche L. Lincoln, D-Arkansas, reads aloud the results of the Senate vote on the resolution.

• "The president is authorized to use the armed forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and appropriate in order to (1) defend the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq, and (2) enforce all relevant United Nation Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq."

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- In a major victory for the White House, the Senate early Friday voted 77-23 to authorize President Bush to attack Iraq if Saddam Hussein refuses to give up weapons of mass destruction as required by U.N. resolutions.

CNN seems to rrecognize what it all about and you beleive the claims of the Dimocrats that they were fooled...ha,,.,that makes you look like the fool, doesn't it..

Hours earlier, the House approved an identical resolution, 296-133.
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/10/11/iraq.us/
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The Iraq Resolution or the Iraq War Resolution (formally the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002 [1], Pub.L. 107-243, 116 Stat. 1498, enacted October 16, 2002, H.J.Res. 114) is a joint resolution passed by the United States Congress in October 2002 as Public Law No: 107-243, authorizing the Iraq War.
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Now really Peckerhead...what the hell is the sense of denying the truth....as you can see, not all factual history has been erased even from the internet..or ..the news networks...

What possible good does it do you to ignore the facts of history?

I really can't for the life of me understand you people....your obviously delusional.....even as you claim others to be....

....
I'm anxious to hear your explanation....why deny the obvious truth.????