I agree with Rush...!

Onceler said:
"Bush warns Congress"?

What was HE doing? Are we really to believe that he had no say over fiscal policy...that he was a bystander in his own admin?

Now, of course, we all know that the Dems made the decision to invade Iraq, but you have to stop making excuses for Bush on economics.
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The videos show exactly what "he" was doing...what,...can't you believe your lying eyes?
No President has the power to change existing laws already passed by Congress....
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Dems did not make the decision to invade Iraq...but enough of them condoned it with their votes in support of the War Resolution....get you history straight now before it can be re-written for you....
 
"but enough of them condoned it with their votes in support of the War Resolution"

Enough of them condoned it....for what?

For Bush not to be accountable anymore?
 
Onceler said:
"but enough of them condoned it with their votes in support of the War Resolution"

Enough of them condoned it....for what?

For Bush not to be accountable anymore?
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Bush stopped being the Commander in Chief on 1/19/09 ...over a year-and-a-half ago! Just when exactly does Obama take the reigns? Oh, that's right, Obama is the president who has sent another 50,000 troops to fight the "unjustified wars for oil on innocent sovereign countries!" But that just can't be true, can it? Where is Cyndi Shehan and Natalie Maines? Where is Howard Dean and Al Gore screeching about "betrayal" and "racists?" Where are the endless pinhead protests with breathless nitwits fawning all over the cameras to plead with our conscience and end the awful and terrible travesty of a war?

*crickets*
 
bravo said:
Don't listen to Rush? How childish and petty can you get...

Its just a entertaining and/or interesting to find out how Rush feels about an issue as it is to find out how Chris Matthews or Maddow or O'Reilly feel about an issue....
whats the big deal...you will probably agree with one these people to some degree anyway....so grow the fuck up.
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I don't like any of them, although I sometimes catch a little bit of Rush since he's on a station I listen to. No one on the right is as bad as Beck, though. My favorite nationally syndicated host is Medved, despite his intense zionism.
 
Dixie said:
Bush stopped being the Commander in Chief on 1/19/09 ...over a year-and-a-half ago! Just when exactly does Obama take the reigns? Oh, that's right, Obama is the president who has sent another 50,000 troops to fight the "unjustified wars for oil on innocent sovereign countries!" But that just can't be true, can it? Where is Cyndi Shehan and Natalie Maines? Where is Howard Dean and Al Gore screeching about "betrayal" and "racists?" Where are the endless pinhead protests with breathless nitwits fawning all over the cameras to plead with our conscience and end the awful and terrible travesty of a war?

*crickets*
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Well, to start with, we were talking about the actual decision to invade, which started this whole mess. Bravo always goes out of his way to give Dems "credit" for that, which should tell you a lot about how good that decision was.

Second of all, what news are you watching? The left hates the war, and there are plenty who are furious with Obama for taking this long to get out.

Third, Obama HAS taken the reigns - of cleaning up the mess & getting out. Again, if you're not reading the news, we're out of there in the next month. As far as the war, it will always be Bush's, because he made the decision to invade. I know that's a tough one for you.

So, there you go...
 
Dixie said:
Bush stopped being the Commander in Chief on 1/19/09 ...over a year-and-a-half ago! Just when exactly does Obama take the reigns? Oh, that's right, Obama is the president who has sent another 50,000 troops to fight the "unjustified wars for oil on innocent sovereign countries!" But that just can't be true, can it? Where is Cyndi Shehan and Natalie Maines? Where is Howard Dean and Al Gore screeching about "betrayal" and "racists?" Where are the endless pinhead protests with breathless nitwits fawning all over the cameras to plead with our conscience and end the awful and terrible travesty of a war?

*crickets*
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Cleaning up the Bush/Cheney mess will take decades if not more. The fighting in Iraq is finally comming to an end. Ive always supported the Iraq war.
 
Onceler said:
Well, to start with, we were talking about the actual decision to invade, which started this whole mess. Bravo always goes out of his way to give Dems "credit" for that, which should tell you a lot about how good that decision was.

Second of all, what news are you watching? The left hates the war, and there are plenty who are furious with Obama for taking this long to get out.

Third, Obama HAS taken the reigns - of cleaning up the mess & getting out. Again, if you're not reading the news, we're out of there in the next month. As far as the war, it will always be Bush's, because he made the decision to invade. I know that's a tough one for you.

So, there you go...
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The decision to Authorize Military Force was made by Congress, which last I checked, was not under the mind-controlling powers of George W. Bush. There is also the matter of FUNDING, which has needed to happen in order for the war to be fought. Also, something appropriated by Congress, not President Bush. So both the decision to go to war, and to fund the war, was made by Congress, which is comprised of Democrats as well as Republicans. Since 2006, Democrats have controlled all the power in Congress, with a filibuster-proof majority, so if they wanted to defund the war, stop the war, or start another war, they have the full unfettered power to do so. To blame the war on Bush at this point, is patently silly and foolish.... but then, you are a silly fool!

Jarod said:
Cleaning up the Bush/Cheney mess will take decades if not more. The fighting in Iraq is finally comming to an end. Ive always supported the Iraq war.
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Well here's the problem Jarhead, this president and this Democrat Congress doesn't have "years!" They have about a year and a half at best! So, you all can sit around whining about Bush, trying to paint this hopeless picture of the "mess" that Obama has to clean up, or you can get busy cleaning! So far, Obama has managed to send another 17,000 to Iraq and 30,000 to Afghanistan, implement a "rules of engagement" policy that frankly is a sick joke, and fired a top general because Obama's vanity was tarnished in an interview. He has pretty much polarized support from our allies as he bows and kisses the asses of our enemies. I don't see him "fixing" much of this "mess" you claim Bush left behind.

And I know you all want to think this will "always be Bush's war" but the truth is, this will always be remembered as the war Obama lost, that we could have won. In the coming years, when radicalized Islamofascists eventually have to be confronted and stopped, and we are enduring untold thousands of casualties as a result, we can look back on the incompetence and errors in judgment made by Obama and people who were too stupid to see the writing on the wall when they had the chance. The turn-tail strategies we are employing in Iraq and Afghanistan will have severe and deadly consequences in the years to come. THAT is how this war will be remembered, and historians will ponder whether things may have not been so severe, if the Bush Doctrine had been followed.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
What do you define as a trouncing? Losing control of the Senate or the House? I don't htink either will happen. I think there's to much a case of incumbant fever.
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I see the same thing.

A trouncing, in my opinion is losing at least 80 seats in the house.
 
Crashk said:
1. Unemployment has been in a downward spiral long before Obama ran for pres. Hi unemployment is a direct result of Republicon policies.
2. The bailout was an extension of Bush's policies. It had to be done and would have been done under any admin. You are just running your mouth trying to pin all of your failures on Dems.
3. I don't care about religion or where anyone builds a place to worship their gods.
4. I don't know anything about the garmet industry in Az.
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1. There's a difference in policies???

2. Again, there's a difference in policies???
 
Dixie said:
The decision to Authorize Military Force was made by Congress, which last I checked, was not under the mind-controlling powers of George W. Bush. There is also the matter of FUNDING, which has needed to happen in order for the war to be fought. Also, something appropriated by Congress, not President Bush. So both the decision to go to war, and to fund the war, was made by Congress, which is comprised of Democrats as well as Republicans. Since 2006, Democrats have controlled all the power in Congress, with a filibuster-proof majority, so if they wanted to defund the war, stop the war, or start another war, they have the full unfettered power to do so. To blame the war on Bush at this point, is patently silly and foolish.... but then, you are a silly fool!



Well here's the problem Jarhead, this president and this Democrat Congress doesn't have "years!" They have about a year and a half at best! So, you all can sit around whining about Bush, trying to paint this hopeless picture of the "mess" that Obama has to clean up, or you can get busy cleaning! So far, Obama has managed to send another 17,000 to Iraq and 30,000 to Afghanistan, implement a "rules of engagement" policy that frankly is a sick joke, and fired a top general because Obama's vanity was tarnished in an interview. He has pretty much polarized support from our allies as he bows and kisses the asses of our enemies. I don't see him "fixing" much of this "mess" you claim Bush left behind.

And I know you all want to think this will "always be Bush's war" but the truth is, this will always be remembered as the war Obama lost, that we could have won. In the coming years, when radicalized Islamofascists eventually have to be confronted and stopped, and we are enduring untold thousands of casualties as a result, we can look back on the incompetence and errors in judgment made by Obama and people who were too stupid to see the writing on the wall when they had the chance. The turn-tail strategies we are employing in Iraq and Afghanistan will have severe and deadly consequences in the years to come. THAT is how this war will be remembered, and historians will ponder whether things may have not been so severe, if the Bush Doctrine had been followed.
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LOL

Dixie, I'm shocked: you bending over backwards to give credit for the "greatest military achievement of our generation!" to Obama & the Dems?

Boy, does that speak volumes re: what you think about the decision to invade now. It took 7 years, but apparently, you've finally come around.
 
As for what "historians will ponder," I'd venture they'll spend more time on the boneheaded decision to disband the Iraq army, which added about 5 years to the war.
 
Onceler said:
As for what "historians will ponder," I'd venture they'll spend more time on the boneheaded decision to disband the Iraq army, which added about 5 years to the war.
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Oh, the "WAR" in Iraq isn't going to even START until we are out of there. What they will ponders is how we could have been so shortsighted and stupid as to let Liberals turn Iraq into their own personal Vietnam, for political purposes. Just wait, Onzies, the problems in that region haven't even begun to get bad yet.

The ass fucking that's coming is NOT the fault of Bush/Cheney policies, they were the ones who wanted to confront this enemy while they were still getting off the ground. There will come a day and time, in your pathetic lifetime, where we'll publicly regret not having done more to stop these people. Of course, you'll find some way to twist that around and blame it on Bush as well! It's to be expected! It's Bush's fault for making us so mad at him that we didn't see the clear and present dangers!
 
Dixie said:
Oh, the "WAR" in Iraq isn't going to even START until we are out of there. What they will ponders is how we could have been so shortsighted and stupid as to let Liberals turn Iraq into their own personal Vietnam, for political purposes. Just wait, Onzies, the problems in that region haven't even begun to get bad yet.

The ass fucking that's coming is NOT the fault of Bush/Cheney policies, they were the ones who wanted to confront this enemy while they were still getting off the ground. There will come a day and time, in your pathetic lifetime, where we'll publicly regret not having done more to stop these people. Of course, you'll find some way to twist that around and blame it on Bush as well! It's to be expected! It's Bush's fault for making us so mad at him that we didn't see the clear and present dangers!
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If you think Bush ran the war well, you're one of the few, even on the right.

Like I said - disbanding the Iraq army was one of the most boneheaded decisions in modern military history. And it really isn't an exaggeration to say that was the tip of the iceberg as far as war mismanagement went.

And this is totally separate from the actual decision to invade, which was needless & tragic in its own right. This is all about sheer incompetence after we were there.
 
Onceler said:
If you think Bush ran the war well, you're one of the few, even on the right.

Like I said - disbanding the Iraq army was one of the most boneheaded decisions in modern military history. And it really isn't an exaggeration to say that was the tip of the iceberg as far as war mismanagement went.

And this is totally separate from the actual decision to invade, which was needless & tragic in its own right. This is all about sheer incompetence after we were there.
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Bush running the war well and whether or not the war was a good idea, are two completely different things. Naturally, you don't think he ran the war well because you never liked the war to begin with. No war is run perfectly... EVER! It doesn't happen in WAR! Do you have any idea how many THOUSANDS of men died in the South Pacific during WWII, due to nothing more than poor logistical planning? Eisenhower would have been the first to tell you, everything he had planned did not go according to the plan! That is just the way things are with wars... Your enemy often anticipates what you will do, and implements a counter to it... very often, your initial "plan" doesn't work! So... YEAH, Bush most certainly made some mistakes in prosecuting the war, it's to be expected!

The war itself was not stupid. The decision to invade was made by CONGRESS after much deliberation and debate, and has continued to be funded by a majority Democrat Congress since 2006. You can have your idiotic opinion about disbanding the Iraq military, but here's the thing... The Iraq Military, under rule of Saddam Hussein, could not be trusted! Most of the leadership was cronies handpicked by Saddam himself, or his sons! There was rampant corruption and loyalty to the Baath party, within the officer ranks, and all throughout the military structure. You'd have to be a brain-dead fucking idiot to think that military could have been entrusted to the task we needed them to do!
 
Dixie - you are truly delusional. Now, you're saying the DECISION TO INVADE was made by Congress? That's unreal. Even Bush said he was the decider.

You go farther than even the most extreme righties in the media & elsewhere. Honestly, it can be bizarre sometimes.

And as for mismanagment, this wasn't your garden variety "every war has mistakes." This was was nothing but mistakes.

Fortunately, you're not involved in writing the history on this matter.
 
And disbanding the military was dumb, dumb, dumb. If you read about the decision, they didn't even think about it much, but regretted it almost immediately after.

That was not an army of Saddam loyalists. They would have helped restore stability much, much sooner.

Get off of spin mode once in awhile.
 
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