How should the Dems counter the TEA Party?
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Dixie - In Memoriam
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Wow, I feel so much better about the TEA Party's chances now that you've gone on record with this prediction. Need I remind you of a certain six-pack of beer I never received from the last time you 'prognosticated?'
Oh, they're dead serious. And no, they aren't going to give you any information you can twist and distort and try to use against them before November (or 2012). We've all seen this game before, the minute they spell out a specific, you and the liberal media will begin spinning the rhetoric. Starving school kids, making elderly people eat Alpo, letting homeless people die in the streets... drowning kittens... whatever you can come up with to lie and distort your way around whatever they say. So, no, Mott, they aren't going to give you political ammunition, you'll have to come up with that on your own.
Nothing is perfect. Do you believe what we have now, is perfect? Do you believe a body of Republicans who can't get their act together and stand for conservative principles, is perfect? Do you think a Congress who is completely tone-deaf to the people, is perfect? I sure as fuck don't.
Lowaicue
英語在香港
surely the best thing for Americans to do is to copy the rest of the world and let out a hearty laugh or two. Yanks are jokes but the 'Tea' (??) party is pant wetting hilarity. Frankly, if that ridiculous woman (and I use the word in its loosest possible sense) ever gets in a position of power the rest of us will start the final countdown for america. I know that some are too stupid to agree with that, that's fine. No cards of sympathy though. Just another great excuse for a party.
Billy the Great Khan
Uwaa OmO
You are aware (well, no, you actually aren't) that the TEA party isn't a political party, right?
Lowaicue
英語在香港
Show me where I said it was a 'political party'. Ta.
However it is a political organisation that CALLS itself a party (the clue is in the name). Suggest you try to borrow another brain cell my friend.
Mott the Hoople
Sweet Jane
Well in the words of the immortal Clara Peller, "Where's The Beef?". Anyone who claims they are for smaller government with out telling you specifically how they are going to make it smaller is simply full of shit.
Mott the Hoople
Sweet Jane
ahhh a vanishing breed. The Rockefeller Republican. What ever happened to them?
Mott the Hoople
Sweet Jane
But they've shown the opposite actually. They've demonstrated that they haven't that first fucking clue as to what fiscal conservatism is, they just mouth platitudes, and they are social reactionaries.
FUCK THE POLICE
911 EVERY DAY
Fiscal conservative, social liberals do not have as much representation in congress because they are not as big of a slice of the pie. I love it when people say "not pursuing (insert persons personal beliefs here) will cost this party dearly!"
Nice! I think you and I took the same evolutionary route to becoming left wing, Kenyan-marxist, eco-fascists. (just kidding). I guess a lot of us got freaked out when the Reagan GOP went all medieval and religious rightwing on us back in the day.
Re: Teabagging….
The teabag party are the same elderly, white people who voted for Shrub twice, supported the Iraq war, cheered on trillion-dollar deficit borrowing to invade a nation that didn’t threaten us, and never protested on behalf of “fiscal conservatism” until January 2009, Very odd! Obviously, a white tea bag party can win seats in an off-year, low-turnout, anti-incumbent election cycle. But over the long term, can a rightwing and blindingly white tea bag movement be nationally viable, in an increasingly brown, Hispanic, and much-less-ivory-white America? Only time will tell, but I can’t really see tea bag parties making significant inroads with the hip hop community, muslims, Hispanics, or jewish americans. But I could be wrong!
Nice! I think you and I took the same evolutionary route to becoming left wing, Kenyan-marxist, eco-fascists. (just kidding). I guess a lot of us got freaked out when the Reagan GOP went all medieval and religious rightwing on us back in the day.
Re: Teabagging….
The teabag party are the same elderly, white people who voted for Shrub twice, supported the Iraq war, cheered on trillion-dollar deficit borrowing to invade a nation that didn’t threaten us, and never protested on behalf of “fiscal conservatism” until January 2009, Very odd! Obviously, a white tea bag party can win seats in an off-year, low-turnout, anti-incumbent election cycle. But over the long term, can a rightwing and blindingly white tea bag movement be nationally viable, in an increasingly brown, Hispanic, and much-less-ivory-white America? Only time will tell, but I can’t really see tea bag parties making significant inroads with the hip hop community, with victory-mosque American Muslims, Hispanics, or jewish americans. But I could be wrong!
cawacko
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Mott the Hoople
Sweet Jane
No I don't think you are wrong and that's why I proposed the opposite question. "How will the Republicans counter the Tea Party movement"?
I don't think the Tea Party movement is something that will affect Democrats significantly because your talking about a demographic that is largely republican to begin with. I personally just don't see how dragging the RP farther to the right will help them.
Mott the Hoople
Sweet Jane
You read it. I did. There isn't a fucking thing in there that would result in significant decrease in government spending. His solution to Medicare-Medicaid is slaping an $11,000 annual tax on you at 55 until you reach qualification age. This isn't reducing spending, it's a fucking regressive tax hike! Who are you kidding?
His solution to national health care reform is to make in an entirely private systems completely at the mercy of insurance companies. Every fucking export in the field has argued that this is the best way to make sure our health care costs exceed 20% of GDP, it's fucking insane.
His solution to taxes is a regressive flat tax that shifts the burden of taxation onto the middle class and would absolutely ensure that revenues would drop substantially while giving the wealthiest in our nation the biggest tax break in history. How the fuck does this reduce spending or debt? If something as totally idiotic as this were implemented our national debt would be double or triple GDP in no time because he PROPOSES NO SIGNIFICANT SPENDING CUTS!
Not to mention that his solution to Social Security, a system that would be presently solvent if it wasn't raided by allowing the same stupid mother fuckers who got us into our present economic mess to gamble away 1/3 of the social security revenues in some unregulated derivatives scheme. The public couldn't possibly be that stupid. One bad year could cost taxpayers hundreds of billions and jeopardize the retirements of millions of elderly and thrust them into poverty. Please, explain to me, how the fuck that would reduce either spending or the size of government?
This guy is not only a fool, he's a dangerous one.
the sad part about you is you really believe your bullshit.
and you're a poor student of math and science
klaatu
Fusionist
Whew!! And you said that I sound frustrated? Dude ...these people are from all walks of life .. all professions, both sexes. They are not just a group of good 'ol boys. Thats Kieth Olberman/Ed Shultz wishful fabrication jargon. The Tea Party down where I live in South Florida is multi racial and heavily backing a Man of Color who is running for the House... a Decorated Vet.
klaatu
Fusionist
I truly believe what worries you is exactly what you claim doesnt make sense. Wll I got news for you, The Republican Party is at its best when Conservatives take control. Not Neo-Cons, nor Rhinos... Its when Conservatives take control. Those who stand on Principles.
Your fucking party and its retarded platform hijacked this Nation in 2006 and has dragged it through the mud ... we are knee deep in Nancy Pelosi's swamp. Most of America doesnt appreciate 10% unemployment and 13 trillion dollar debts... most of america doesnt like America taking it up the ass from other Countries and aplogising for being America. We dont like it when Mexican Presidents come here and lecture our Congress on Human Rights while our Presidents stands next to him with his thumb up his ass. Most of our nation doesnt like it when our President and his Congress hold back room meetings and comes up with plans to shove unwanted legislation down our throats.
The Tea Party is comprised of people from All Walks of life...the same like minded people who were responsible for the landslides of 1980 and 1994. We are fed up. We are fed up with Democrats, Rhino's and people like you who think you know what we think.. in reality you dont know jack shit.
charver
You lookin' at my pint?
I don't pretend to know a whole lot about the Tea Party movement but the little bits that have filtered across the pond do tend to suggest that several of the representatives that have their backing are, somewhat 'unorthodox' in their views.
I can't see you, Mr K, going along with a lot of what those endorsed by the Tea Party in recent elections, have been espousing. All this morality bidness isn't really your bag is it? From what we hear over here the libertarian message is lost in a sea of morality based nonsense.
apple0154
MEOW
How should the Dems counteract the Tea Baggers?
Give the Tea Baggers all the publicity they can. The Dems should pay for air time to broadcast the Tea Bag supported candidate's message like the following.
(Excerpt) Angle: Rape victims should use their pregnancies as a way to turn lemons into lemonade.By Tanya Somanader on Jul 8th, 2010 at 8:05 pm
Angle: Rape victims should use their pregnancies as a way to turn lemons into lemonade.
In her campaign to capture the Nevada Senate seat from Harry Reid (D), Tea Party maven Sharron Angle (R) has maintained a hardline view on abortion. Earlier this year, Angle insisted that women should not have control over their reproductive rights in cases of rape or incest, because it would “interfere with God’s ‘plan’ for them.”
In a more recent interview obtained by the Huffington Post’s Sam Stein, Angle refused to back down from her “pro-life sensibilities” and offered a more jarring take on rape victims. On the right-wing Alan Stock Show in June, Angle suggested that “a young girl raped by her father” deal with the “horrific situation” by making lemons into lemonade:
STOCK: What do you say then to a young girl, I am going to place it as he said it, when a young girl is raped by her father, let’s say, and she is pregnant. How do you explain this to her in terms of wanting her to go through the process of having the baby?
ANGLE: I think that two wrongs don’t make a right. And I have been in the situation of counseling young girls, not 13 but 15, who have had very at risk, difficult pregnancies. And my counsel was to look for some alternatives, which they did. And they found that they had made what was really a lemon situation into lemonade. (End)
http://thinkprogress.org/2010/07/08/angle-lemonade/
God's plan is for a young woman to be incestuously raped and bear a child?
What type of person would vote for someone who held that view? Is there anyone here who agrees with her?
Give the Tea Baggers all the publicity they can. The Dems should pay for air time to broadcast the Tea Bag supported candidate's message like the following.
(Excerpt) Angle: Rape victims should use their pregnancies as a way to turn lemons into lemonade.By Tanya Somanader on Jul 8th, 2010 at 8:05 pm
Angle: Rape victims should use their pregnancies as a way to turn lemons into lemonade.
In her campaign to capture the Nevada Senate seat from Harry Reid (D), Tea Party maven Sharron Angle (R) has maintained a hardline view on abortion. Earlier this year, Angle insisted that women should not have control over their reproductive rights in cases of rape or incest, because it would “interfere with God’s ‘plan’ for them.”
In a more recent interview obtained by the Huffington Post’s Sam Stein, Angle refused to back down from her “pro-life sensibilities” and offered a more jarring take on rape victims. On the right-wing Alan Stock Show in June, Angle suggested that “a young girl raped by her father” deal with the “horrific situation” by making lemons into lemonade:
STOCK: What do you say then to a young girl, I am going to place it as he said it, when a young girl is raped by her father, let’s say, and she is pregnant. How do you explain this to her in terms of wanting her to go through the process of having the baby?
ANGLE: I think that two wrongs don’t make a right. And I have been in the situation of counseling young girls, not 13 but 15, who have had very at risk, difficult pregnancies. And my counsel was to look for some alternatives, which they did. And they found that they had made what was really a lemon situation into lemonade. (End)
http://thinkprogress.org/2010/07/08/angle-lemonade/
God's plan is for a young woman to be incestuously raped and bear a child?
What type of person would vote for someone who held that view? Is there anyone here who agrees with her?
Billy the Great Khan
Uwaa OmO
Depends on how you look at it. In the 'new' TEA party movement, yes it is. In the original movement, and those who still support it (a significant, but not all encompassing, portion of the supporters) it was and still is the fiscally conservative, socially liberal movement that our nation sorely needs.
But true Libertarians rarely present themselves as such, especially viable ones. Just look at this board. Half of our so-called 'republicans' have Libertarian blood flowing in their veins.