Honest question for Confederate flag lovers: Why are you so proud of losing?

Dixie said:
BLACKS are actually the most fortunate of ALL non-white folk, they have been placated to and catered to since emancipation...yeah, they had a rough time back during slavery, but since then, it's been all about them! Us poor Native Americans are discriminated against to this day, our lands were taken, treaties were broken, deals were reneged on, and we were marched half-way across the country to be put in what amounts to concentration camps. Your folks got 40 acres and a mule!
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Looks like wiki failed you, Dixie. As well as what you call your intelligence.

And you're a liar.

You've already bragged on here about the money you bilked the government out of by claiming to be Indian because you know as well as I do that American Indians have received reparations from the government.

http://digitaljournal.com/article/301242

You should probably have fed them the line about being "Black Dutch" and got a few more bucks too.

And don't forget, you qualify - as former Japanese royalty - for reparations for the Japs too!

http://www.democracynow.org/1999/2/18/wwii_reparations_japanese_american_internees
 
Dixie said:
Really? Where is this happening? In Harlem? Compton? Watts? Detroit? Please tell me, because we need to put a stop to racist dickheads keeping black people down!

You mentioned "neighborhoods" and some kind of concern for the condition and environment of those neighborhoods, but you seem to think "money" is somehow the solution. I can't speak for anyone else, but every "good" neighborhood I ever lived in, was cared for by the people of the neighborhood, who demanded a certain level of standard, and didn't put up with nonsense. I guess "black people" are incapable of knowing how to live in civilized neighborhoods, so we need to help them, eh?
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Who said that? Oh...the racist....

Dude...I like talking music much better.
 
Steelplate said:
Who said that? Oh...the racist....

Dude...I like talking music much better.
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Isn't that essentially what you are saying? They are black and live in poor impoverished communities, and they can't help this because they have black skin, right? And we HAVE to help them, because otherwise, they can never hope to be "equal" to white people, because they have black skin. Unlike white neighborhoods, where the people are better educated and whiter, therefore, superior, and can do things to improve their communities and keep them up.
 
Dixie said:
Isn't that essentially what you are saying? They are black and live in poor impoverished communities, and they can't help this because they have black skin, right? And we HAVE to help them, because otherwise, they can never hope to be "equal" to white people, because they have black skin. Unlike white neighborhoods, where the people are better educated and whiter, therefore, superior, and can do things to improve their communities and keep them up.
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No...I'm saying they never really got a fair shot to begin with....and yes... a some...perhaps even more than a little of it is self perpetuating....but a lot of it... perhaps more so than not is systematic.
 
Howey said:
Looks like wiki failed you, Dixie. As well as what you call your intelligence.

And you're a liar.

You've already bragged on here about the money you bilked the government out of by claiming to be Indian because you know as well as I do that American Indians have received reparations from the government.

You should probably have fed them the line about being "Black Dutch" and got a few more bucks too.

And don't forget, you qualify - as former Japanese royalty - for reparations for the Japs too!
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http://www.prrac.org/full_text.php?...ewsletter_id=17&header=Symposium: Reparations

The experience of American Indians in obtaining reparations from the federal government should interest those who seek similar actions with respect to Black Americans. American Indians have received three types of reparations: (1) cash payments, through the operation of the Indian Claims Commission and the U.S. Court of Claims; (2) land, through an occasional action of Congress to return control over land to particular tribes; and (3) tribal recognition, by either Congress or the Bureau of Indian Affairs. The first of these has been the least satisfactory, measured by long-term impact on Indian communities. The second was more satisfactory, but has been experienced by very few tribes. The third, which is in process now, has had the best results.

The settlement of claims for lands unjustly taken was a widespread demand of Indians in the 1920s and 1930s. When the federal government began to accept suits-as a sovereign, the federal government must consent to be sued-limitations were placed on the awards. Congress, in the Indian Claims Commission Act of 1946, forbade award of lands. Proof had to be presented to the Indian Claims Commission regarding ownership; litigation that started in the 1950s lasted until 1978. The Supreme Court developed a distinction between aboriginal title and recognized title; interest could not be earned on awards based on aboriginal title. The federal government paid $5 million in 1975 for lands worth $5 million in 1865.

The majority of tribes that received payments distributed them on a per capita basis among the members enrolled in the tribe at the time of the award. This dissipation of jointly held capital to one generation of recipients has meant that their descendants' benefits depend solely on the private action of parents to their children and grandchildren. In many cases, people on welfare had their welfare payments suspended until they had used up their per capita share of the tribal award. Some tribes developed traditions of per capita payments, which continue to inhibit community development.

Some tribes have refused to accept money for land. Other tribes, through extraordinary action, have received land. The Taos Pueblo is the best known example; they acquired U.S. Forest Service land. The Hopi received land; but Navajos were removed. No tribe has received land that required white people to leave their homes.

Recognition of tribal sovereignty and the implementation of self-government have achieved the most significant results. Economic development tends to follow assertion of governing powers. The creation of casinos is the best known example of this phenomenon; but the success of casinos over the long term is not assured. While other tribes have established economic development with other industries, many tribes have not yet been able to assert enough sovereignty to build solid economies.

What are the analogies to tribal self-government among Black Americans? Perhaps the Marshall Plan for cities has an element of political institution-building similar to the reconstruction of tribal governments. The narrow definition of reparations as investment in human and business capital does not. The Native American example would recommend investment in political capital, in institutions of community organization similar to tribal governments. Money cannot buy such institutions, and some kinds of reparation payments undermine them.
 
Steelplate said:
No...I'm saying they never really got a fair shot to begin with....and yes... a some...perhaps even more than a little of it is self perpetuating....but a lot of it... perhaps more so than not is systematic.
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Do you have any data that would support how much is "self perpetating" and how much is systematic?
 
Steelplate said:
No...I'm saying they never really got a fair shot to begin with....and yes... a some...perhaps even more than a little of it is self perpetuating....but a lot of it... perhaps more so than not is systematic.
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No, it was "systemic" when we had laws that said black men couldn't live in certain neighborhoods, be hired for certain jobs, or admitted to certain schools. We changed all of that more than 48 years ago. No one in "the system" was even born when we changed this, so it makes no sense that we'd still find this misunderstanding. Our system simply forbids discrimination based on race, and there are thousands of cases won every year, whenever someone disregards this. So what's "not fair" about their shot? Is it that pigmentation problem they have? Do you mean to say, "to begin with" they are born with black skin, and because of this, we must do things to make them equal because they aren't?
 
Dixie said:
No, it was "systemic" when we had laws that said black men couldn't live in certain neighborhoods, be hired for certain jobs, or admitted to certain schools. We changed all of that more than 48 years ago. No one in "the system" was even born when we changed this, so it makes no sense that we'd still find this misunderstanding. Our system simply forbids discrimination based on race, and there are thousands of cases won every year, whenever someone disregards this. So what's "not fair" about their shot? Is it that pigmentation problem they have? Do you mean to say, "to begin with" they are born with black skin, and because of this, we must do things to make them equal because they aren't?
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Wow...read a lot in a short post, didn't you? No...the problem is not "their skin". I've addressed the problems.... you just don't want to hear it....but let me fucking recap.

Education. The way our education system works is at the local level....based on local taxes collected....therefore wealthy neighborhoods who can afford to pay higher taxes get the best teachers...because they can pay more and those neighborhoods are desirable locations to live...that slowly declines into our inner city slums, where the poorest people live and have lived for decades. They don't have a pot to piss in and they can't afford quality educators.they get the dregs of academics and some good teachers who want to make a difference... at least till they get burned out....and it's been that way for decades, so the parents of current students don't have the skills to help them achieve.

But you don't want to hear that.

You also don't want to hear that businesses don't want to invest there for the same reasons.

You don't want to hear that poverty = desperation. Desperation= a desire for escape=drug and alcohol abuse=addiction=crime=violence and gangs and shootings and further decay.

It has nothing to do with skin tone and everything to do with lack of opportunity and shitty living conditions.

If roles were reversed, we'd have inner city slums of us white people shooting each other in the street, while well to do black people would be bitching about taxes and working class black people would be bitching about the first Caucasian in the White House.
 
Skeleton Jelly said:
The confederate flag may as well be a white surrender flag. It's the symbol of getting your asses royally kicked by the north. And yet you tattoo it on yourselves, or put in the rear window of your pick up truck. Why are you so fixated on being losers? Are you gluttons for punishment? Do you like constantly reminding yourselves of how your ancestors/relatives chose the wrong side? Why are you so eager to ally yourself with team failure?
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I wear one every once in awhile just to piss people off. I'm a Yankee.
 
Steelplate said:
Wow...read a lot in a short post, didn't you? No...the problem is not "their skin". I've addressed the problems.... you just don't want to hear it....but let me fucking recap.

Education. The way our education system works is at the local level....based on local taxes collected....therefore wealthy neighborhoods who can afford to pay higher taxes get the best teachers...because they can pay more and those neighborhoods are desirable locations to live...that slowly declines into our inner city slums, where the poorest people live and have lived for decades. They don't have a pot to piss in and they can't afford quality educators.they get the dregs of academics and some good teachers who want to make a difference... at least till they get burned out....and it's been that way for decades, so the parents of current students don't have the skills to help them achieve.

But you don't want to hear that.

You also don't want to hear that businesses don't want to invest there for the same reasons.

You don't want to hear that poverty = desperation. Desperation= a desire for escape=drug and alcohol abuse=addiction=crime=violence and gangs and shootings and further decay.

It has nothing to do with skin tone and everything to do with lack of opportunity and shitty living conditions.

If roles were reversed, we'd have inner city slums of us white people shooting each other in the street, while well to do black people would be bitching about taxes and working class black people would be bitching about the first Caucasian in the White House.
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Why don't you start a business, in one of those areas, and make it so everyone would share in the profit, after taxes and losses?
You could even pay wages that were comperable with other businesses, like WalMart. :)
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
Why don't you start a business, in one of those areas, and make it so everyone would share in the profit, after taxes and losses?
You could even pay wages that were comperable with other businesses, like WalMart. :)
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Sounds like a plan. Did you pay your taxes yet....I need a vacation....thinking about Alaska in June...I do get 30 days to use...hurry up little stock boy....pay up.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
Just curious.
Have you been an asswipe all your life, or just recently? :chesh:
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Are you referring to my occupation or my personality?

If the former, I've been taking care of people smarter and better human beings than you for 24 years.

If the latter... no, it's only since some dickhead, racist, teabagging douchebag has been stalking me on a message board.
 
Steelplate said:
Are you referring to my occupation or my personality?

If the former, I've been taking care of people smarter and better human beings than you for 24 years.

If the latter... no, it's only since some dickhead, racist, teabagging douchebag has been stalking me on a message board.
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You really do have this amusing need to explain yourself, HUH!!

Did you have to kiss ass, before they would let you wipe it?
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
You really do have this amusing need to explain yourself, HUH!!

Did you have to kiss ass, before they would let you wipe it?
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And you have this amusing need to have the last word.... think I'll put you on ignore so you can get all frustrated and take it out on the 50 cats you have down in Mom's basement...
 
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