Honest question for Confederate flag lovers: Why are you so proud of losing?

Again I have several Obamacare threads started and most Doctors I have been too have their own staff do the insurance so they know all about Obamacare

a doctor that uses his time to process insurance claims is either not very busy or not making good use of his knowledge of medicine.

as for your other posts, i have not seen them, but then it should be simple for you to provide links since you have do so before.

have you read the entire aca bill? do you know anyone that has?

if you continue to dodge providing facts, then i will treat you the same way i treated dixie and put you on ignore for i do care to listen opinions stated as facts.

also, second hand statements are not suitable facts.

as for the aca, i am retired and on medicare so it does not really impact me a whole lot, however, i am interested how it will impact the rest of the nation.

also, i would prefer a single payer form of national insurance.
 
What he said about Obamacare and the debt are correct

The liberal media is ignoring the "train wreck" of Obamacare and the people who are losing their jobs (or having their work hours reduced)

Meanwhile the cost of Obamacare continues to soar - and it is added to the Obama Excess Card

i do not care what someone else said, unless you can provide a link to it and the person is an acknowledged authority on the subject.
 
Let's stop you right here and set the record straight. It is not "code" for anything. It is, in 1861, the law of the land, as decided by the US Supreme Court. Slaves WERE property... not according to the CSA, not according to Southerners, but according to the high court of the United States. People purchased property, they owned it just as you own a car or boat, it was perfectly legal for them to buy this property and own it. As terrible as that sounds today, that was the way things were in 1861, and very few people considered blacks to be equal to whites... even President Lincoln!



It is nothing at all like Iraq or the analogy you drew. It was NOT about the right to own people, Americans had been owning people for 86 years, with the blessing of Congress and the SCOTUS. It was about property rights, and these "people" were not considered "people" by the court at this time, they were considered "property" without civil rights. It was not until AFTER the war, and passage of the 13th and 14th Amendment, slaves were recognised as "people" and not "property."



The North was certainly NOT leading the way. They continued to buy Southern cotton, and support the United States with export trade of cotton. At ANY time, they could have boycotted slave-picked cotton and the South would have had to abandon slavery, they didn't. Abolition has nothing to do with civil rights, that's another liberal misnomer. I am vehemently opposed to dog fighting, it doesn't mean I think dogs should get to vote and have equal rights. People were opposed to slavery because it was morally reprehensible, not because they though blacks and whites were equal.



Again, you don't know what you are talking about here. The South had an abundance of slaves because that is where cotton grows. No other reason! Had cotton thrived in Northern climates, there would have been just as many Northern slaves to pick the cotton. There was NOT this 'racial equality' sentiment you keep wanting to claim, it did not exist in 1861. There were a few Quaker and Unitarian ministers, who religiously believed black slaves were 'equal' to white folks, other than those examples, I don't know of any white people who had this sentiment in 1861. Yes, a LOT of people didn't think it was right to enslave people, and recognized black slaves as people... this doesn't mean they thought they were equal in any way.

But still... there is the matter of what THE LAW said. The SCOTUS had upheld the institution of slavery and refused to recognize slaves as people, choosing to instead, declare the slaves were property.



And this is where you jump the tracks with the Crazy Train. You are attempting to tie Civil Rights to the Civil War, and blame all of America's racist problems on THE SOUTH. The reason you have the inclination to do this, is because you think it detracts from your own racist conscience. By finding a SCAPEGOAT in THE SOUTH, you can wash your hands of any 'implication' regarding racism, and claim a moral high ground. Since you have already displayed such profound bigotry regarding Southerners, it's perfectly reasonable to conclude you are bigoted in other ways. This would explain why you are now desperately trying to connect two events in history, almost a century apart, as if they happened at the same time and for the same reasons. It's absurd beyond belief.

Dixie, what "property" was in dispute other than Slaves?
You dont think they could have had slaves operate a northern factory?
Its the same culture that started the civil war as fought civil rights and are now fighting gay marriage.
 
i do not care what someone else said, unless you can provide a link to it and the person is an acknowledged authority on the subject.


Poor Don.....hopelessly in denial.......slam the poster and slime the source but don't dare refute whats said....
 
It is part of our history and southern tradition

Many who fought for the South were against the Federal government interfering with the right of the states to govern themselves

If any group waves a white flag it is liberals when they are confronted by terrorists and enemies of the nation like Iran

Man. I wouldn't claim such a nasty heritage.
 
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And for the love of God, PLEASE stop comparing "indentured servitude" to slavery....as indentured servants were NOT captured and forced against their will into slavery, were NOT shipped in the bowels of "slave ships" IN CHAINS to various countries and were NOT sold like cattle for labor and breeding purposes. Got that? Good.



You are right, they are two different things. Some of my ancestors came to America as indentured servants. My original patriarchal connection to Europe, was a man who was "Black Dutch" and he was among 23 others, who a wealthy Englishman provided passage for, in exchange for 10 years of their lives in his service. This was a common practice up North, perhaps even more common than slavery in the South, although the numbers of slaves was much greater.

So what's your point? Previously I already acknowledged the hypocrisy of the North's involvement in the slave trade (straight up slavery as well as indentured servitude). What you state here doesn't change what I stated regarding the difference.



The important thing to note is, we had not yet came to the time where "an honest day's work for an honest day's pay" had come to fruition. Where "liberty and justice for all" meant everyone in society, even if they didn't own land or have white skin. America was a very racist society by today's standards, and I think this would shock some liberals here, if they were to go back in time and experience it. A lot of things have transpired since 1964, and a lot of things transpired between 1865 and 1964. To pretend that in 1861, we were having any kind of 'national debate' on civil rights for blacks OR ANY PEOPLE OF COLOR, is absurd.

What in the hell are you going on about? Essentially you're just making a lot of random moot points and absurd supposition and conjecture....as ANYONE who reads history knows damn well the racism that was/is congenital in America's evolution. To keep trying to equivocate what black folk went through as opposed to non-black "citizens" is just plain silly.

BLACKS are actually the most fortunate of ALL non-white folk, they have been placated to and catered to since emancipation...yeah, they had a rough time back during slavery, but since then, it's been all about them!

Really? Because the law that guaranteed my right to an education to any school of my parents choosing is only 4 years older than myself. And then you had to have a state law over ridden to allow two people of a different race to marry (the Love case decision) that is 6 years younger than myself. Those are just the obvious examples...so I don't know where you get off with this "placated" BS.



Us poor Native Americans are discriminated against to this day, our lands were taken, treaties were broken, deals were reneged on, and we were marched half-way across the country to be put in what amounts to concentration camps. Your folks got 40 acres and a mule!

No doubt that the Native people got (and are getting) royally screwed over...but that doesn't change what I've stated one iota...and you need to check yourself, because NO ONE got 40 acres and a mule. Guess that's another broken promise you can rack up.

And then there's this....note the dates: http://www.justplainpolitics.com/sh...-you-so-proud-of-losing&p=1206125#post1206125

So, my Dixie Dunce...please entertain me with yet another version of your personal ethnic make up and revisionist history. I just love exposing you for the BS artist and bigot that you are.
 
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Not exactly accurate....people change, everyone changes, thats just the normal state of things. Thats no. 1

Then, you say the parties changed....? Yes, but it was the Democrats that changed, not so much the Republicans....
Gernerally, the Republican have always been for personal freedom and still are....
They have been for personal responsibility, and still are....
They have been for less gov. intrusion, less taxation, free trade, strong military, civil rights and most importantly, the Constitution, and they are still.

The Democrats, being the party of slavery and bigotry, aristocracy of the rich in the south, etc. saw the folly of their ways a mere 60 or so years ago and slowly
did a turn around....swinging from one extreme to the other.....
They became the party of a new brand of socialism and forced social engineering of the populace......by force of governmental law.....
They constantly seek higher taxation to finance as much welfare giveaways as possible, in effect, bribing a larger portion of the population for votes.
They demonize one group of citizens against others to create an enemy to blame for mistakes, the rich, corporations, Republicans, or even individuals as we've seen.

They use the words and meaning of our own Constitution, meanings that stood for well over 2 centuries, to create either new freedoms our of thin air, or
to restrict freedoms that were in effect since the document was written...claiming the words don't mean what they say....a new interpretation as they see things..
They dilute the freedoms our son's and daughters, have died for by bestowing those rights and freedoms on just about anyone that can sneak across our borders....
The list is long, but this is enough to make my point.

The parties have changed.....the Republicans are basically the Party of Lincoln and Washington and the founding fathers.....

The Democrats have been 'born again' in the last few decades into a new party.....a dangerous party, chipping away at the
customs and values on which this nation was built....slowly eroding away the foundations of the US.

Please do some research on Nixon's "Southern Strategy", because I am SO tired of this willfully ignorant, half assed history jokers like you keep parroting.
 
By Rabbi Steven Pruzansky is the spiritual leader of Congregation Bnai Yeshurun in Teaneck, New Jersey
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"The most charitable way of explaining the election results of 2012 is that Americans voted for the status quo - for the incumbent President and for a divided Congress. They must enjoy gridlock, partisanship, incompetence, economic stagnation and avoidance of responsibility. And fewer people voted.

But as we awake from the nightmare, it is important to eschew the facile explanations for the Romney defeat that will prevail among the chattering classes. Romney did not lose because of the effects of Hurricane Sandy that devastated this area, nor did he lose because he ran a poor campaign, nor did he lose because the Republicans could have chosen better candidates, nor did he lose because Obama benefited from a slight uptick in the economy due to the business cycle.

Romney lost because he didn't get enough votes to win.

That might seem obvious, but not for the obvious reasons. Romney lost because the conservative virtues - the traditional American virtues of
liberty, hard work, free enterprise, private initiative and aspirations to moral greatness - no longer inspire or animate a majority of the electorate.

The simplest reason why Romney lost was because it is impossible to compete against free stuff.

Every businessman knows this; that is why the "loss leader" or the giveaway is such a powerful marketing tool. Obama's America is one in which free stuff is given away: the adults among the 47,000,000 on food stamps clearly recognized for whom they should vote, and so they did, by the tens of millions; those who - courtesy of Obama - receive two full years of unemployment benefits (which, of course, both disincentivizes looking for work and also motivates people to work off the books while collecting their
windfall) surely know for whom to vote. The lure of free stuff is irresistible.

The defining moment of the whole campaign was the revelation of the secretly-recorded video in which Romney acknowledged the difficulty of winning an election in which "47% of the people" start off against him because they pay no taxes and just receive money - "free stuff" - from the government.

Almost half of the population has no skin in the game - they don't care about high taxes, promoting business, or creating jobs, nor do they care that the money for their free stuff is being borrowed from their children
and from the Chinese.

They just want the free stuff that comes their way at someone else's expense. In the end, that 47% leaves very little margin for error for any Republican, and does not bode well for the future.

It is impossible to imagine a conservative candidate winning against such overwhelming odds. People do vote their pocketbooks. In essence, the people vote for a Congress who will not raise their taxes, and for a President who will give them free stuff, never mind who has to pay for it.

That engenders the second reason why Romney lost: the inescapable conclusion that the electorate is ignorant and uninformed. Indeed, it does not pay to be an informed voter, because most other voters - the clear majority are unintelligent and easily swayed by emotion and raw populism. That is the indelicate way of saying that too many people vote with their hearts and not their heads. That is why Obama did not have to produce a second term agenda, or even defend his first-term record. He needed only to portray Mitt Romney as a rapacious capitalist who throws elderly women over a cliff, when he is not just snatching away their cancer medication, while starving the poor and cutting taxes for the rich.

During his 1956 presidential campaign, a woman called out to Adlai Stevenson: "Senator, you have the vote of every thinking person!" Stevenson called back: "That's not enough, madam, we need a majority!"
Truer words were never spoken.

Obama could get away with saying that "Romney wants the rich to play by a different set of rules" - without ever defining what those different rules
were; with saying that the "rich should pay their fair share" - without ever defining what a "fair share" is; with saying that Romney wants the poor, elderly and sick to "fend for themselves" - without even acknowledging that all these government programs are going bankrupt, their current insolvency only papered over by deficit spending.

Similarly, Obama (or his surrogates) could hint to blacks that a Romney victory would lead them back into chains and proclaim to women that their abortions and birth control would be taken away. He could appeal to Hispanics that Romney would have them all arrested and shipped to Mexico and unabashedly state that he will not enforce the current immigration laws. He could espouse the furtherance of the incestuous relationship between governments and unions - in which politicians ply the unions with public
money, in exchange for which the unions provide the politicians with votes, in exchange for which the oliticians provide more money and the unions
provide more votes, etc., even though the money is gone.

Obama also knows that the electorate has changed - that whites will soon be a minority in America (they're already a minority in California) and that the new immigrants to the US are primarily from the Third World and do not share the traditional American values that attracted immigrants in the 19th and 20th centuries. It is a different world, and a different America . Obama is part of that different America , knows it, and knows how to tap into it. That is why he won.

Obama also proved again that negative advertising works, invective sells, and harsh personal attacks succeed. That Romney never engaged in such diatribes points to his essential goodness as a person; his "negative ads" were simple facts, never personal abuse - facts about high unemployment,
lower take-home pay, a loss of American power and prestige abroad, a lack of leadership, etc. As a politician, though, Romney failed because he did not
embrace the devil's bargain of making unsustainable promises.

It turned out that it was not possible for Romney and Ryan - people of substance, depth and ideas - to compete with the shallow populism and platitudes of their opponents. Obama mastered the politics of envy of class warfare - never reaching out to Americans as such but to individual groups, and cobbling together a winning majority from these minority groups. If an Obama could not be defeated - with his record and his vision of America , in which free stuff seduces voters - it is hard to envision any change in the future.

The road to Hillary Clinton in 2016 and to a European-socialist economy - those very economies that are collapsing today in Europe - is paved.

For Jews, mostly assimilated anyway and staunch Democrats, the results demonstrate again that liberalism is their Torah. Almost sorr70% voted for a
president widely perceived by Israelis and most committed Jews as hostile to Israel . They voted to secure Obama's future at America 's expense and at
Israel 's expense - in effect, preferring Obama to Netanyahu by a wide margin.

A dangerous time is ahead. Under present circumstances, it is inconceivable that the US will take any aggressive action against Iran and will more
likely thwart any Israeli initiative. The US will preach the importance of negotiations up until the production of the first Iranian nuclear weapon - and then state that the world must learn to live with this new reality.

But this election should be a wake-up call to Jews. There is no permanent empire, nor is there an enduring haven for Jews anywhere in the exile. The American empire began to decline in 2007, and the deterioration has been exacerbated in the last five years. This election only hastens that decline.
Society is permeated with sloth, greed, envy and materialistic excess. It has lost its moorings and its moral foundations.. The takers outnumber the givers, and that will only increase in years to come.

The "Occupy" riots across this country in the last two years were mere dress rehearsals for what lies ahead - years of unrest sparked by the increasing discontent of the unsuccessful who want to seize the fruits and the bounty of the successful, and do not appreciate the slow pace of redistribution.

If this election proves one thing, it is that the Old America is gone. And, sad for the world, it is not coming back."
--
The problems we face today are there because the people who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.

The article appeared in The Israel National News, and is directed to Jewish readership. 70% of American Jews vote as Democrats. Sorry, I don't have a link to this article.


And this shit was shoveled to no avail in 2004 and 2008 in various forms and by various self professed "conservative" religious folk.

America didn't buy it then, and we're not buying it now.
 
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