Honest question for Confederate flag lovers: Why are you so proud of losing?

Steelplate said:
You play? What instrument? Genre? Just curious...I'm an acoustic roots music guy. Blues, folk, bluegrass, etc. I play rhythm guitar, mandolin and sing..my buddy playa lead, banjo and some vocals... but basically spells me about every 3-4 songs.

Love to meet fellow musicians.
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Play guitar, left handed........... blues, top 40 (in the 60's and 70's), country.....haven't picked it up in a few years more than 3 or 4 times....bought a pedal steel a little over a year ago (right handed) and giving that a shot....3 pedals, 4 knee levers, 10 strings.....its kinda wild having your feet, knees, fingers and hands going all at the same time....
don't gig anymore except with one neighbor just for kicks.....to old for the night life anymore.
 
NOVA said:
Play guitar, left handed........... blues, top 40 (in the 60's and 70's), country.....haven't picked it up in a few years more than 3 or 4 times....bought a pedal steel a little over a year ago (right handed) and giving that a shot....3 pedals, 4 knee levers, 10 strings.....its kinda wild having your feet, knees, fingers and hands going all at the same time....
don't gig anymore except with one neighbor just for kicks.....to old for the night life anymore.
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Cool....yeah pedal steels are strange things. Never played one, but I've been around a few people that do.
 
Dixie said:
Dear Howie:

It wasn't two centuries ago unless this is 2062. Liberals have a difficult time with time. That's the whole reason I am attempting to educate you on context. 1861 white sentiment toward blacks was completely different than 1964 sentiments. The same for white sentiment about my own Native American people. However, we have certain retards here, who want to cling to the false perception that we already had a civil rights movement in 1861, that Congress had already acted to ensure equal rights, and the South was defiantly standing in the schoolhouse door, proclaiming "Slavery today, Slavery forever!" It was NOT 1964, white people did NOT think blacks were equal to whites, and me pointing this out, is NOT racist or me living in the past.
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lol...I knew you were coming back with that? Literal much?

And, yes, Dixie, you are racist. And cut the Indian shit. You're no more Indian than you are Royal Japanese. Claiming either is an insult to some worthy and distinguished people,
 
Dixie said:
This is the insidious racist message the guilty white liberals have been advancing for years. It's the whole idea behind LBJs policies, and five decades of guilty white liberal policy to follow. As Howey points out, NONE OF IT HAS WORKED to deliver the desired result. If that's not bad enough, they seem hell-bent on continuing the same line of thinking, to keep perpetrating these racist policies which do not solve the problem, and push us further and further apart.

The guilty white liberal message is: You are black, therefore, you lack the credentials to be successful... and we're here to help your poor unfortunate black asses! You can't help that you are black, and we can sympathize with the fact that you will always be black, and therefore, incapable of achieving anything meaningful in your life, without our help. It is seriously the most racist and prejudiced viewpoint we've ever seen, outside of the KKK, masquerading as "compassion." But they take this outrageous view a step further, and attempt to cast all blame and responsibility for racism on THE SOUTH!
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You are so negative, I see it as, you are a minority, you have an economic disadvantage, poverty, discrimination, so, we will give you programs which will help level the playing field.

You display your own fetid attitude towards people. You project your thoughts onto others.
 
Skeleton Jelly said:
only 20% of the population owned people, no big deal.

if anyone in the south didn't own people, it was because they were poor, not for moral reasons.
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Untrue. German and Scots-Irish immigrants fled oppression in Europe and settled here and weren't about to oppress others.
 
Howey said:
Correct me if I'm wrong but they were offered the same full pension and other benefits as the Union Army.



Damn. Busted me. Yes, DY, every word I post on here is sincere.

dumbfuck.
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I'm not talking about soldier's pensions, I'm talking about compensation for lost property.

No, I busted you and now you're pretending that you were only joking before.
 
I Love America said:
It seems like you are saying that there is something inherently wrong with the blacks that they can't fix these things themselves and they need compassionate white folk like you to fix it for them.

Here is an interesting statistic for you to chew on as you wipe the next retards ass. The illegitimacy rate among the blacks in 1940 was much lower than it is today. How do you explain that given that in 1940 the blacks were much closer to slavery and all of its horrible consequences than todays blacks who didn't have to grow up in the bondages of slavery or even segregation and fear of the KKK that you democrats created?

Let your uneducated ass ponder that for a while bitch
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That flag with the southern cross looks pretty good to me.
 
Why doesn't somebody tell Howey that Jim Crow laws existed all over the north for many, many years and blacks weren't even allowed to vote in the northern states except the New England states where there weren't any blacks in the first place for same amount of years.
 
Rana said:
You are so negative, I see it as, you are a minority, you have an economic disadvantage, poverty, discrimination, so, we will give you programs which will help level the playing field.

You display your own fetid attitude towards people. You project your thoughts onto others.
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Here are your VERY WORDS! You see people who have more skin pigmentation as being unable to advance equally because of it, therefore, you must do things to "help" these unfortunate pigmented souls, they can't help their condition.

To me, that is just a RACIST line of thought. It supposes that every black person is fully incapable of achieving ANY kind of advantage because they aren't white people. You think, as a white person, it is your obligation to give them something, in order that you can feel like they are equal to whites.

And the REALLY sick thing is, we've been doing all these things that your guilty white liberal conscience has come up with, for the past 60 years, and black folks are no better off, in many areas, they are markedly worse off. Yet you march on... continuing to only see people based on the amount of pigment in their skin, and making assumptions as to their ability as humans.
 
And for the love of God, PLEASE stop comparing "indentured servitude" to slavery....as indentured servants were NOT captured and forced against their will into slavery, were NOT shipped in the bowels of "slave ships" IN CHAINS to various countries and were NOT sold like cattle for labor and breeding purposes.

Got that? Good.
 
Taichiliberal said:
And for the love of God, PLEASE stop comparing "indentured servitude" to slavery....as indentured servants were NOT captured and forced against their will into slavery, were NOT shipped in the bowels of "slave ships" IN CHAINS to various countries and were NOT sold like cattle for labor and breeding purposes.

Got that? Good.
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You are right, they are two different things. Some of my ancestors came to America as indentured servants. My original patriarchal connection to Europe, was a man who was "Black Dutch" and he was among 23 others, who a wealthy Englishman provided passage for, in exchange for 10 years of their lives in his service. This was a common practice up North, perhaps even more common than slavery in the South, although the numbers of slaves was much greater.

The important thing to note is, we had not yet came to the time where "an honest day's work for an honest day's pay" had come to fruition. Where "liberty and justice for all" meant everyone in society, even if they didn't own land or have white skin. America was a very racist society by today's standards, and I think this would shock some liberals here, if they were to go back in time and experience it. A lot of things have transpired since 1964, and a lot of things transpired between 1865 and 1964. To pretend that in 1861, we were having any kind of 'national debate' on civil rights for blacks OR ANY PEOPLE OF COLOR, is absurd.

BLACKS are actually the most fortunate of ALL non-white folk, they have been placated to and catered to since emancipation...yeah, they had a rough time back during slavery, but since then, it's been all about them! Us poor Native Americans are discriminated against to this day, our lands were taken, treaties were broken, deals were reneged on, and we were marched half-way across the country to be put in what amounts to concentration camps. Your folks got 40 acres and a mule!
 
Dixie said:
You are right, they are two different things. Some of my ancestors came to America as indentured servants. My original patriarchal connection to Europe, was a man who was "Black Dutch" and he was among 23 others, who a wealthy Englishman provided passage for, in exchange for 10 years of their lives in his service. This was a common practice up North, perhaps even more common than slavery in the South, although the numbers of slaves was much greater.

The important thing to note is, we had not yet came to the time where "an honest day's work for an honest day's pay" had come to fruition. Where "liberty and justice for all" meant everyone in society, even if they didn't own land or have white skin. America was a very racist society by today's standards, and I think this would shock some liberals here, if they were to go back in time and experience it. A lot of things have transpired since 1964, and a lot of things transpired between 1865 and 1964. To pretend that in 1861, we were having any kind of 'national debate' on civil rights for blacks OR ANY PEOPLE OF COLOR, is absurd.

BLACKS are actually the most fortunate of ALL non-white folk, they have been placated to and catered to since emancipation...yeah, they had a rough time back during slavery, but since then, it's been all about them! Us poor Native Americans are discriminated against to this day, our lands were taken, treaties were broken, deals were reneged on, and we were marched half-way across the country to be put in what amounts to concentration camps. Your folks got 40 acres and a mule!
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yeah... all that strange fruit hanging from the trees down south well into the 20th century was just your southerner's way of telling the black folks how it was "all about them".
 
From 1882-1968, 4,743 lynchings occurred in the United States. Of these people that were lynched 3,446 were black. The blacks lynched accounted for 72.7% of the people lynched. These numbers seem large, but it is known that not all of the lynchings were ever recorded. Out of the 4,743 people lynched only 1,297 white people were lynched. That is only 27.3%. Many of the whites lynched were lynched for helping the black or being anti lynching and even for domestic crimes.

http://www.chesnuttarchive.org/classroom/lynchingstat.html
 
maineman said:
From 1882-1968, 4,743 lynchings occurred in the United States. Of these people that were lynched 3,446 were black. The blacks lynched accounted for 72.7% of the people lynched. These numbers seem large, but it is known that not all of the lynchings were ever recorded. Out of the 4,743 people lynched only 1,297 white people were lynched. That is only 27.3%. Many of the whites lynched were lynched for helping the black or being anti lynching and even for domestic crimes.

http://www.chesnuttarchive.org/classroom/lynchingstat.html
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Were all of these lynchings in the South? Because, I have a rather lengthy list of 'lynchings' from the North, if you can call, driving through neighborhoods shooting every 'blackie' in sight, a lynching.

In any event, just so that we are all clear on context... MY ancestors represented two tribes of indigenous people, who numbered close to 30 million, when the United States became a nation. How many deaths are white men responsible for, to bring that number down to 500k or so? I know there were some natural deaths, and some of them caused their own deaths, but to think this would result in such a decline is a bit absurd. It's safe to say that MY "people of color" were much more persecuted than any other example you can cite.
 
Steelplate said:
Perhaps when we stop ignoring our poor minority neighborhoods?

Perhaps when desperation, drug abuse, addiction and the inevitable crime that feeds the need for escape from that desperation is reduced to similar levels in other, better managed neighborhoods?

Perhaps when crime gangs stop owning the streets and outgun law enforcement in those neighborhoods?
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So all that's your fault.
Well, fix it.
 
Steelplate said:
Trying to...but racist dickheads like you keep interfering.
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Really? Where is this happening? In Harlem? Compton? Watts? Detroit? Please tell me, because we need to put a stop to racist dickheads keeping black people down!

You mentioned "neighborhoods" and some kind of concern for the condition and environment of those neighborhoods, but you seem to think "money" is somehow the solution. I can't speak for anyone else, but every "good" neighborhood I ever lived in, was cared for by the people of the neighborhood, who demanded a certain level of standard, and didn't put up with nonsense. I guess "black people" are incapable of knowing how to live in civilized neighborhoods, so we need to help them, eh?
 
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