History's most devout and/or ardent atheist-agnostic-christian presidents

Good job. Belief in materialism versus Belief in the transcendent.

That is a very sound and logical criteria to divide the spiritual president from the non-spiritual president.
That is the basic delineation. Note that, throughout all history, the believers outnumber the materialists by over 10 to 1. Why?
 
That is the basic delineation. Note that, throughout all history, the believers outnumber the materialists by over 10 to 1. Why?
Probably because most people feel there's more to life, the universe, and everything than matter and energy. That if nothing is real but the motions of subatomic particles then love is not freely given, beauty is meaningless, free will is a delusion.
 
Jefferson was a Christian. Some of his closest friends were ministers. He wrote several letters that survived where he states it very clearly.

But why bother with facts when you can just make up bullshit and rely on poor education to win fans for your deviant nonsense? As history shows, it was those evul Evangelicals that voted for Jefferson, almost to a man, and made him VP and then Prez.

The peanut Gallery can avoid this sort of false spin and read this book by a real historian.


Commies and faggots love to lie about Ben Franklin as well.
 
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Probably because most people feel there's more to life, the universe, and everything than matter and energy. That if nothing is real but the motions of subatomic particles then love is not freely given, beauty is meaningless, free will is a delusion.
Reactionary religionists like yourself love the idea others HATE you because of your belief in God.
 
Probably because most people feel there's more to life, the universe, and everything than matter and energy. That if nothing is real but the motions of subatomic particles then love is not freely given, beauty is meaningless, free will is a delusion.
That's my view too. We don't know what it is, but most people understand it. Again, I think atheists are lacking in something like a person who is color-blind.
 
That if nothing is real but the motions of subatomic particles then love is not freely given, beauty is meaningless, free will is a delusion.

What if it is all that? So what? You can still live like you have free will. You can still enjoy a "sunset".

I do. In fact I'm willing to bet I spend more time with art than even you do!

And I don't believe in the supernatural. Weird isn't it?
 
What if it is all that? So what?
Strict physical materialism is a hard sell, and I'm surprised atheists keep trying to sell it.
The rules of logic, aesthetic beauty, mathematical theorems, the mathematical constants of nature exist and transcend beyond the motion of subatomic particles. So I've yet to meet an atheist who has given me a convincing argument that nothing at all exists but matter and energy.

You can still live like you have free will. You can still enjoy a "sunset".

I do. In fact I'm willing to bet I spend more time with art than even you do!

And I don't believe in the supernatural. Weird isn't it?
I'm not talking about casually and passively enjoying aesthetic beauty. If nothing exists but matter and energy, then beauty is ultimately meaningless.

But beauty seems to have a transcendent quality that goes beyond electrons and quarks. The deeper you think about beauty, the more you realize there is an underlying mathematical harmony to it. Aesthetic beauty is often defined by the properties of symmetry, geometry, proportion, the golden ratio, Fibonacci sequence, mathematical rules of perspective, the Roche limit, fractals, the mathematical harmony of the heavens, etc.

Edit to add: that transcends trying to explain everything with quarks and photons.
 
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