History's most devout and/or ardent atheist-agnostic-christian presidents

[Cypress]

Materialistic people are often godless. Ergo, atheist.

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There's a lot of jerks who are Christian too.
Dostoyevsky said the problem with atheism is there is no universal objective standard of values they can point too, so morality becomes purely relative and subject to opinion.

I thought about how to classify Ronald Reagan, since he never really attended church. But his interest in Christianity seemed genuine, so I didn't put him in either the agnostic or atheist category.

On the flip side, there isn't any evidence Trump or Nixon had the slightest interest in religion, Christianity, the moral authority of Jesus.

 

[Based Chad]

You got a link or is this just your random fabrication?

it's his deranged mason religion bullshit.

 

[Based Chad]

There's a lot of jerks who are Christian too.
Dostoyevsky said the problem with atheism is there is no universal objective standard of values they can point too, so morality becomes purely relative and subject to opinion.

I thought about how to classify Ronald Reagan, since he never really attended church. But his interest in Christianity seemed genuine, so I didn't put him in either the agnostic or atheist category.

There isn't any evidence Trump or Nixon had the slightest interest in religion, Christianity, the moral authority of Jesus.

actually, morality is rational.

it's empathy and reciprocity based.

the Jesus morality is rational,

you hate the Jesus morality because it IS rational and transcends the tribalism you warmonger Zionist fuckholes prefer.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

There's a lot of jerks who are Christian too.
Dostoyevsky said the problem with atheism is there is no universal objective standard of values they can point too, so morality becomes purely relative and subject to opinion.

I thought about how to classify Ronald Reagan, since he never really attended church. But his interest in Christianity seemed genuine, so I didn't put him in either the agnostic or atheist category.

On the flip side, there isn't any evidence Trump or Nixon had the slightest interest in religion, Christianity, the moral authority of Jesus.

Agreed although people who talk the talk but don't walk the walk are not what they claim to be. Especially if they are not even making the effort.
Agreed atheists believe morality is relative.

Reagan wasn't perfect but he did believe in the "shining city on a hill", a Christian concept derived from Matthew 5:14 and John Winthrop's 1630 speech:

A Model of Christian Charity - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

We shall find that the God of Israel is among us, when ten of us shall be able to resist a thousand of our enemies; when He shall make us a praise and glory that men shall say of succeeding plantations, "may the Lord make it like that of New England." For we must consider that we shall be as a city upon a hill. The eyes of all people are upon us. So that if we shall deal falsely with our God in this work we have undertaken, and so cause Him to withdraw His present help from us, we shall be made a story and a by-word through the world.

 

[anonymoose]

it's his deranged mason religion bullshit.

Cypress is a mason?

 

[Cypress]

Agreed although people who talk the talk but don't walk the walk are not what they claim to be. Especially if they are not even making the effort.
Agreed atheists believe morality is relative.

Reagan wasn't perfect but he did believe in the "shining city on a hill", a Christian concept derived from Matthew 5:14 and John Winthrop's 1630 speech:

A Model of Christian Charity - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

We shall find that the God of Israel is among us, when ten of us shall be able to resist a thousand of our enemies; when He shall make us a praise and glory that men shall say of succeeding plantations, "may the Lord make it like that of New England." For we must consider that we shall be as a city upon a hill. The eyes of all people are upon us. So that if we shall deal falsely with our God in this work we have undertaken, and so cause Him to withdraw His present help from us, we shall be made a story and a by-word through the world.

You're right.

Reagan elected not to attend church or participate in Christian fellowship, but the way he spoke about his faith was obviously genuine. Especially compared to Trump or Nixon.

I really wanted to put Reagan in the agnostic category, but I didn't have the data or rationale to do it!

 

[Uncensored2008]

Agnostic​

Thomas Jefferson
Abraham Lincoln
George Washington

Atheist​

Donald Trump
Richard Nixon

Christian​

Jimmy Carter
John Adams
George W. Bush

Good job - you got 5 out of 8 wrong.

I know - you're just making shit up - as always. The claim that Quaker Richard Nixon was an Atheist is especially hilarious.

 

[gmark77]

Does not make him an atheist.

The goal of this post was to demonize atheists. Cy has a bug up his behind over atheism. It's unclear why.

How on earth could Cy know who was an agnostic? How would he know who was atheist? And Trump? Trump uses Christianity to get people to follow him. (I have little doubt he isn't much of a believer but to call him an atheist is to assume that his atheism is what accounts for his popularity when the exact opposite is true).


This whole thread is just Cy's hate for atheists.

I wish I knew why he hates them so much.

 

[gmark77]

You're right.

Reagan elected not to attend church or participate in Christian fellowship, but the way he spoke about his faith was obviously genuine.

Oh give me a break. The same reasoning that leads you to believe Nixon was an atheist (didn't attend services) you somehow leverage to make Ronny Reagan a Christian (didn't attend services but "talked" right).

C'mon man, the guy was an ACTOR he made his living selling you shit.

Especially compared to Trump or Nixon.

Trump talks about his faith. Why do you deny his love of "two Corinthians"?

I really wanted to put Reagan in the agnostic category, but I didn't have the data or rationale to do it!

You shouldn't put ANYONE in the agnostic category because you don't know who believed what

 

[Uncensored2008]

You got a link or is this just your random fabrication?

It's laughable fabrication based on his mindless hatred of Trump.

{Jefferson was deeply committed to core beliefs - for example, the existence of a benevolent and just God. Yet, as with any human, some of Jefferson’s beliefs shifted over time and were marked by uncertainty, and he accepted that some of his less central beliefs might be wrong; e.g. his belief that everything in the universe had a wholly material existence rather than there being both material and spiritual worlds. Jefferson insisted that such matters of dogma were not critical; telling one correspondent that on these “I … reposed my head on that pillow of ignorance which a benevolent creator has made so soft for us, knowing how much we should be forced to use it.”[3]}

@Cypress doesn't post from ignorance, but rather from a position of dishonesty.

{Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of patriotism, who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of men and citizens. The mere politician, equally with the pious man, ought to respect and to cherish them. A volume could not trace all their connections with private and public felicity. Let it simply be asked: Where is the security for property, for reputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligation desert the oaths which are the instruments of investigation in courts of justice ? And let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle.} - George Washington - Farewell Address

 

[Uncensored2008]

I suspect Trump is agnostic.
Nixon was a Quaker. I believe Quakers are Christian.

Trump claims to be a Christian - why should I claim to be the authority to deny what he says?

 

[Uncensored2008]

Nixon's parents were Quaker.

Once he became an adult there's no evidence he ever again attended Quaker meetings, or showed the slightest interest in attending any church whatsoever.

Richard Nixon was a lifelong Quaker.

Admit you lied - that your entire OP is a lie, and move on. You made shit up because you wanted to smear Trump.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Cypress is a mason?

That makes sense.

The Masons have tried to convert many public figures after death.

George Washington himself was a Mason, Jefferson was not. Not sure about Lincoln.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

You're right.

Reagan elected not to attend church or participate in Christian fellowship, but the way he spoke about his faith was obviously genuine. Especially compared to Trump or Nixon.

I really wanted to put Reagan in the agnostic category, but I didn't have the data or rationale to do it!

The fact he put duty ahead of his personal glorification says a lot.

When Anthony Gonzales got into trouble as his AG, Reagan made the right call: Country before personal friendship. GW Bush fucked that up by putting personal friendship ahead duty. Trump is worse because he puts personal interests above all other things. In this regard, I believe Reagan honored his oath more than GW and certainly more than DJT. Therefore, I believe Reagan was a believer in something more than the material universe. Trump, conversely, is an atheist who only believes in the material universe.

 

[gmark77]

The fact he put duty ahead of his personal glorification says a lot.

Which president was that? Surely not film-actor Ronald Reagan.

 

[Cypress]

Great. More attacks on atheists.

Why so much hate, Cy?

How is it my fault that the most irreligious and least spiritual presidents of our lifetimes happen to be Trump and Nixon?

 

[Cypress]

Therefore, I believe Reagan was a believer in something more than the material universe. Trump, conversely, is an atheist who only believes in the material universe.

Good job. Belief in materialism versus Belief in the transcendent.

That is a very sound and logical criteria to divide the spiritual president from the non-spiritual president.

 

[Based Chad]

Agreed although people who talk the talk but don't walk the walk are not what they claim to be. Especially if they are not even making the effort.
Agreed atheists believe morality is relative.

Reagan wasn't perfect but he did believe in the "shining city on a hill", a Christian concept derived from Matthew 5:14 and John Winthrop's 1630 speech:

A Model of Christian Charity - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

We shall find that the God of Israel is among us, when ten of us shall be able to resist a thousand of our enemies; when He shall make us a praise and glory that men shall say of succeeding plantations, "may the Lord make it like that of New England." For we must consider that we shall be as a city upon a hill. The eyes of all people are upon us. So that if we shall deal falsely with our God in this work we have undertaken, and so cause Him to withdraw His present help from us, we shall be made a story and a by-word through the world.

actual Christians admit they are sinners.

you satanists pretend morality is something whimsical and arbitrary.

 

[gmark77]

How is it my fault that the most irreligious and least spiritual presidents of our lifetimes happen to be Trump and Nixon?

Lincoln also did not attend any church. You didn't call him an atheist because you don't like atheists.

You called Trump an atheist when he clearly has stated numerous times that he is a "Christian".

So now you seem to be claiming to be able to read minds.

 

[Hume]

The goal of this post was to demonize atheists. Cy has a bug up his behind over atheism. It's unclear why.

Other people have to be wrong in order for him to be right; reactionary.