Hiroshima was nuked, 6 August 1945

Cypress said:
But I think we can say with near certainty that the world has been better off because we forced Japan to adopt a pacifist constitutional democracy.
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Agreed. Same for Germany.

...now, 70 years later, times have changed. Both countries need to take a more militant stance by allying with peaceful nations against aggressors. Si vis pacem, para bellum

Would Putin have been so bold if more NATO nations each had a couple more armored divisions ready to roll into Moscow to "free those people"?

The Putin lovers say Putin was forced to attack because of NATO aggression. That's gaslighting bullshit from Tucker or some other idiot. Peace through strength.

Putin saw the West was weak and thought he could break it once and for all. He proved wrong and now he has a major problem....as do we.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
...when indicates you are on the younger side of 50. :)

JPP's most ardent Trumpers are over 50 with most well over 60. I'm 66 so I know what they look like. LOL

RWers of my generation were traditionally fiscally conservative. Today, there are no fiscally conservative Republicans.

RWers of my generation felt that a man's home was his castle, religion belonged in church and sex in the bedroom. Today, Republicans are either Theocrats or Autocrats...some are both.

Barry Goldwater, nicknamed "Mr. Conservative", not only spoke out against such a path for Republicans but, today, would be considered a RINO by the theocrats and autocrats who have taken over the Republican Party.

https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/GPO-CRECB-1981-pt16/pdf/GPO-CRECB-1981-pt16-1-1.pdf
...I, too, believe that we Americans should return to our traditional values concerning morality, family closeness, self-reliance, and a day's work for a day's pay. These are the values our forebears clung to as they built this Nation into the citadel of freedom it is today.

And I, too, have been pleased with the swing of the pendulum for in recent years to the conservative, moral end of the spectrum.

But I object to certain groups jumping on that pendulum and then claiming that they caused it to swing in the first place.

And I am frankly sick and tired of the political preachers across this country telling me as a citizen that if I want to be a moral person, I must believe in "A," "B," "C," and "D.'' Just who do they think they are? And from where do they presume to claim the right to dictate their moral beliefs to me?

And I am more angry as a legislator who must endure the threats of every religious group who thinks it has some God-granted right to control my vote on every rollcall in the Senate.

I am warning them today: I will fight them every step of the way if they try to dictate their moral convictions to all Americans in the name of conservatism.

This unrelenting obsession with a particular goal destroys the perspective of many decent people with whom I think I agree on most issues. In the quest for moral righteousness they have become easy prey to manipulation and misjudgment....
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In his day Barry Goldwater anchored what was then the far Right in this country. Today, as you noted, he'd be an outsider.
 
martin said:
In his day Barry Goldwater anchored what was then the far Right in this country. Today, as you noted, he'd be an outsider.
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Agreed....which goes to prove how far out over the edge the Alt-Right really goes.

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Dutch Uncle said:
Agreed. Same for Germany.

...now, 70 years later, times have changed. Both countries need to take a more militant stance by allying with peaceful nations against aggressors. Si vis pacem, para bellum

Would Putin have been so bold if more NATO nations each had a couple more armored divisions ready to roll into Moscow to "free those people"?

The Putin lovers say Putin was forced to attack because of NATO aggression. That's gaslighting bullshit from Tucker or some other idiot. Peace through strength.

Putin saw the West was weak and thought he could break it once and for all. He proved wrong and now he has a major problem....as do we.
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I'm actually okay with Britain and France being the NATO leaders in Europe, and Japan playing second fiddle to Australia and USA in Indo-Pacific security concerns.

Japan and Germany have too long of a history as dangerous aggressor states.

It's still too early to let them off their leash.

Putin really screwed up. But the problem as I see it is we can't expect him to be a rational actor. He considers Belarus, Ukraine, the Baltic states, Georgia, and northern Kazakhstan to be part and parcel of a historic Russia. And I don't think any amount of economic sanctions is going to dissuade him of what he sees as lands that rightfully belong to Holy Russia.
 
Cypress said:
I'm actually okay with Britain and France being the NATO leaders in Europe, and Japan playing second fiddle to Australia and USA in Indo-Pacific security concerns.

Japan and Germany have too long of a history as dangerous aggressor states.

It's still too early to let them off their leash.

Putin really screwed up. But the problem as I see it is we can't expect him to be a rational actor. He considers Belarus, Ukraine, the Baltic states, Georgia, and northern Kazakhstan to be part and parcel of a historic Russia. And I don't think any amount of economic sanctions is going to dissuade him of what he sees as lands that rightfully belong to Holy Russia.
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It's been 70 years. Almost four generations. Time to let go of the past, assess the present and plan for the future. Better to have a strong Japan backed by the US in Japan than a strong US in Japan.

Agreed on Putin but I also blame the Russian people for letting it happen just like I blame Americans for our own government foibles. Trump didn't happen in a vacuum. We, the People elected him...as an option to Hillary. Lots of blame to go around.
 
Shoresy said:
It is the right and duty for all free men who are able to extrajudicially execute registered democrats anywhere in the world at any time. The only good leftist is a dead leftist.
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Start your race war Satan’s ass greaser


See how quick you get dead
 
Dutch Uncle said:
They will. They don't have to reach "us" to fuck up the global economy. A nuke in Seoul, Tokyo, Taipei or Manila would result in problems that would take a century or longer to recover.

It's akin to "What would the US be like in 10 years had Trump succeeded on 1/6" since, had he won, it would have been like nuking DC.
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oh yes. another false flag, that's the ticket, deep state dum dum.
 
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One of the best indicators that the US would have nuked Germany in a nanosecond if the bombs were ready is that the USAAF had in late 1944 upgraded three airbases in England with stronger and longer runways, wider taxiways, and hardstands (parking places) that could take heavier aircraft. That is, these three bases were built specifically to allow B-29's to operate from them. All three also had several loading pits for nuclear weapons installed at them.
In 1945, after the war ended, Britain and the US conducted a series of live weapons tests using very heavy bombs like Tallboy, Blockbuster, and the Disney bomb, dropped from B-29's (the Washington bomber in RAF service), and B-17's against hardened targets in now surrendered Germany under the code name Project Ruby. These loading pits were used to load those bombs on B-29's.

https://www.mildenhall.af.mil/News/...oject-ruby-a-look-at-raf-mildenhalls-history/

So, everything was in place in 1944 to allow the US to nuke the living fuck out of Germany except for a working bomb.
 
Germany had the best physicists on the planet, including the legendary Werner Heisenberg, and a legitimate question is why Germany did not develop the bomb first.

Danish physicist Niels Bohr ended his friendship with Heisenberg over Heisenberg's association with the Nazi regime. There are three theories as to Heisenberg's actual relationship with the Nazi atomic program:

1) Heisenberg was a willing collaborator with Hitler and as a result completely alienated Bohr.
2) Heisenberg was an unwilling collaborator with Hitler, having been coerced into Nazi service by threat and intimidation.
3) Heisenberg was a heroic resistance figure who sabotaged Hitler's nuclear program from within.
 
Cypress said:
Germany had the best physicists on the planet, including the legendary Werner Heisenberg, and a legitimate question is why Germany did not develop the bomb first.

Danish physicist Niels Bohr ended his friendship with Heisenberg over Heisenberg's association with the Nazi regime. There are three theories as to Heisenberg's actual relationship with the Nazi atomic program:

1) Heisenberg was a willing collaborator with Hitler and as a result completely alienated Bohr.
2) Heisenberg was an unwilling collaborator with Hitler, having been coerced into Nazi service by threat and intimidation.
3) Heisenberg was a heroic resistance figure who sabotaged Hitler's nuclear program from within.
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What did Heisenberg have to say about the Nazis after the war?
 
Dutch Uncle said:
What did Heisenberg have to say about the Nazis after the war?
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My understanding is the historical consensus is Heisenberg never really came clean about his relationship with the Nazis, although he tried to sanitize his connections with them after the war. The question is whether he actually deliberately slow walked the Nazi nuclear program, or whether he just wasn't that competent at nuclear physics.
 
Cypress said:
My understanding is the historical consensus is Heisenberg never really came clean about his relationship with the Nazis, although he tried to sanitize his connections with them after the war. The question is whether he actually deliberately slow walked the Nazi nuclear program, or whether he just wasn't that competent at nuclear physics.
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What superfluous ypical democrat bullshit. Make you case Cypress or forever be known as what you are. A liar and dumber than fuck.
 
Cypress said:
My understanding is the historical consensus is Heisenberg never really came clean about his relationship with the Nazis, although he tried to sanitize his connections with them after the war. The question is whether he actually deliberately slow walked the Nazi nuclear program, or whether he just wasn't that competent at nuclear physics.
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After reading your uneducated meaningless post, one thing is reality apparent. You are dumber than fuck. Democrat of course.
 
Cypress said:
My understanding is the historical consensus is Heisenberg never really came clean about his relationship with the Nazis, although he tried to sanitize his connections with them after the war. The question is whether he actually deliberately slow walked the Nazi nuclear program, or whether he just wasn't that competent at nuclear physics.
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Was he a major figure in nuclear physics after the war? If so, then I think he's competent. If not, hard to say.

The military has SERE training; Survival, Evasion, Resistance and Escape. The latter two are POW training. We'd be worked as POWs and punished by abuse and starvation if we didn't work. Solution? Do the minimum possible, try to sabotage where you can without getting caught....Kinda like working for Walmart. LOL
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Was he a major figure in nuclear physics after the war? If so, then I think he's competent. If not, hard to say.
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As far as I know, he is most well known from quantum physics, but was generally regarded as a preeminent physicist of global reputation before the war.
 
Theywillneverlearn! said:
After reading your uneducated meaningless post, one thing is reality apparent. You are dumber than fuck. Democrat of course.
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I do believe Cypress is a Democrat, but he's clearly more educated than you.

After reading a dozen of your posts it's clear that you are both a sock and a fucking moron; one of Trump's poorly educated cocksuckers too fucking stupid to get a good job. Sad. You must be a great disappointment to your parents.
 
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