Hiroshima was nuked, 6 August 1945

[evince]

You Googled that, amirite. In the real world Japan was desperately trying to surrender but the US had a new toy they wanted to show off to the world. No matter what you think of Japanese yellow fascists, they were building schools and factories all over Asia. The US calls that spreading democracy. We have to bomb them into compliance.

Eat shit lying asshole

 

[evince]

More Japanese including civilians would have died


As well as American soldiers


Truman had to make a decision


He sided on fewer deaths


I will forever praise him for that

 

[Guno צְבִי]

You Googled that, amirite. In the real world Japan was desperately trying to surrender but the US had a new toy they wanted to show off to the world. No matter what you think of Japanese yellow fascists, they were building schools and factories all over Asia. The US calls that spreading democracy. We have to bomb them into compliance.

BS I grew up right after the war our parents often discussed it also as a nation it was fresh in our memories and documented, not some revisionist bull shit

japan was imperialst , China and Korea killing off populations, ever hear of the rape of nanking, kid

 

[Lionfish]

They could have just surrounded the island nation with ships and just use conventional bombing without a land invasion?!! No goods or material could get into Japan, it would be just a matter of time before they would surrender?!! The atomic bombs were over kill?!!

So were the planes that bombed Pearl Harbor.

 

[Guno צְבִי]

More Japanese including civilians would have died


As well as American soldiers


Truman had to make a decision


He sided on fewer deaths


I will forever praise him for that

Before the end of the second World War, Emperor Hirohito was considered by the Japanese to be a living God.

 

[Shoresy]

Wasted bombs that should have been used on the future red states instead.

Now that our former ally the Soviet Union is gone, we should use them on the new fascist Russia as well.

It is the right and duty for all free men who are able to extrajudicially execute registered democrats anywhere in the world at any time. The only good leftist is a dead leftist.

 

[goat]

Eat shit lying asshole

Killing innocent civilians is what the US does best.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

I don't think there has ever been a nation in human history that surrendered unconditionally and submitted to a military occupation because of a blockade.

As for bombing, I don't see fire bombing Japanese cities with incendiaries as being necessarily much more moral than a nuclear strike

Agreed. More moral in those days than over 75 years later. That's more time than between the Civil War and WWI. Gassing, glass or wooden bullets, triangular bayonets. War was to win. How many here defend the Yankee Scorched Earth strategy through the South? Under the Geneva Code, it's a war crime.

Morals and standards change. Mostly for the better and that's a good thing.

Truman made the right call.

 

[Shoresy]

I think nuking Hiroshima and Nagasaki was immoral and a crime against nature. But I also think it played a role in Japan accepting it had been utterly defeated and forcing them to submit to an unconditional surrender and a military occupation.

Allowing the war to continue was costing tens of thousands of deaths a day across the Pacific due to the side effects of war EG disruption to supply chains and shortages not to mention incendiary bombing raids were killing just as many if not more people than the nuclear weapons.

 

[Shoresy]

They could have just surrounded the island nation with ships and just use conventional bombing without a land invasion?!! No goods or material could get into Japan, it would be just a matter of time before they would surrender?!! The atomic bombs were over kill?!!

Those conventional bombing raids were incendiary bombing raids that created firestorm resulting in just as many if not more casualties than the atomic bombs.

 

[goat]

BS I grew up right after the war our parents often discussed it also as a nation it was fresh in our memories and documented, not some revisionist bull shit

japan was imperialst , China and Korea killing off populations, ever hear of the rape of nanking, kid

Was Japan building schools and factories throughout Asia? yes or no.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

FDR and Truman were playing for all the marbles. And rightly so.

They were not going to offer Japan terms. They were not going to let the Japanese government survive. They were going to occupy Japan, dismantle it's institutions, and rebuild it as a pacifist democracy.

Imperial Japan was an aggressor state with a long history of invading it's neighbors

Japan in it's imperial form could not be allowed to exist and survive.

I think the argument can be made that the only way to make Japan submit to our objectives was to convince them they had been utterly defeated and were on precipice of total annihilation.

Times change but not every country does. Despite all the noises coming from China they know they aren't going to war. War is bad for business. They'll buy Taiwan one block at a time. Unlike American affection for immediate gratification, the Chinese are in it for the long term.

This is more about all the resources under the sea from the Chinese mainland out to as far as China can push it.

No one wants to return the the massive destruction of WWII. An estimated 70M people died as a result. The US was on the verge of bankruptcy. No nation in their right minds wants such a calamity to fall upon them. What Putin is doing is irrational and will only be a loser for him. China will push simply as a good business competitor does.

 

[Cypress]

Times change but not every country does. Despite all the noises coming from China they know they aren't going to war. War is bad for business. They'll buy Taiwan one block at a time. Unlike American affection for immediate gratification, the Chinese are in it for the long term.

This is more about all the resources under the sea from the Chinese mainland out to as far as China can push it.

No one wants to return the the massive destruction of WWII. An estimated 70M people died as a result. The US was on the verge of bankruptcy. No nation in their right minds wants such a calamity to fall upon them. What Putin is doing is irrational and will only be a loser for him. China will push simply as a good business competitor does.

What Putin is doing is irrational, and has no economic benefit for Russia. He is driven by a warped vision of a type of Russian nationalism rooted in 18th and 19th century tsarist Russia

The best outcome here is that Putin fails at his objective of conquering Ukraine, thus serving as a cautionary tale for future tyrants contemplating attacking their neighbors

 

[LurchAddams]

Hiroshima's mayor slams Russia while marking 77th anniversary of atomic bombing

Japan is today marking the 77th anniversary of the atomic bombing of Hiroshima, which killed tens of thousands of people in World War II.

Bells tolled in Hiroshima on Saturday, commemorating the world's first atomic bombing, with officials including the United Nations Secretary-General warning of a new arms race in the wake of Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

At 8:15am on August 6, 1945, the US B-29 warplane Enola Gay dropped a bomb nicknamed "Little Boy" and obliterated the city, which had an estimated population of 350,000.

Estimates of how many people died from the bomb, either instantly or in the following months, range between 90,000 and 166,000.

Hiroshima mayor Kazumi Matsui, whose city this year did not invite the Russian ambassador to the ceremony, was more pointed and critical of Moscow's military actions in Ukraine.

"In invading Ukraine, the Russian leader, elected to protect the lives and property of his people, is using them as instruments of war, stealing the lives and livelihoods of civilians in a different country," Mr Matsui said.




https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.abc.net.au/article/101307694

Very few cheery outcomes from war.

 

[LurchAddams]

Wasted bombs that should have been used on the future red states instead.

Now that our former ally the Soviet Union is gone, we should use them on the new fascist Russia as well.

Dude! Power down on the anger. Remember when twump wanted to bomb Mexico? Don't sound like trump!!!!

 

[LurchAddams]

I think nuking Hiroshima and Nagasaki was immoral and a crime against nature. But I also think it played a role in Japan accepting it had been utterly defeated and forcing them to submit to an unconditional surrender and a military occupation.

It ended the war. They attacked us on our soil. We had to make sure they'd never do it again. I'm no fan of mass-killing. But, we didn't want the war. We were dragged into it, so we ended it.

 

[LurchAddams]

Nuclear weapons LIMITED damage, that would have been much worse, on both sides, if there were a land invasion of Japan.

But, after reviewing the Rape of Shanghai, the Rape of Nanking, the Burmese Death March, what the Japanese did to the people of the Phillipines, the Attack on Pearl Harbor, etc. I haven't much sympathy for Japanese who attacked the US on Dec., 7th ,1941.

They kicked the sleeping lion, and got bit...bigtime.

Oh, yeah. The Japanese leadership back then were fucking evil pricks. Barbaric, cruel.. No doubt about it.

You know they're not the same now.

 

[LurchAddams]

You can't pin the crimes of the Japanese army on the
civilian women and children residents of Hiroshima

Civilians were killed during the Pearl Harbor attack. We responded overwhelmingly to make sure they or no one else fucking tried it.

It worked.

 

[Cypress]

Japan was trying to surrender but the US had a new toy they wanted to show off to the Soviets. The US is the most immoral empire in world history. Japanese fascists were building schools and factories all over Asia so the US decided they had to conform to western rule. Japan was nuked because they are nonwhite. It's as simple as the color of their skin. German nazis were recruited to work for the Anglosphere.

There's no concrete evidence the Japanese were on the verge of surrendering. The battle of Okinawa was right near the end of the war, and they fought to the death.

They still had five million men under arms in August 1945.

Moreover, we weren't interested in a conventional surrender. One where terms are offered and their army stands down.

We wanted them to submit. Unconditionally. We were not going to allow the Japanese government or it's institutions to survive.

We were going to force them to submit to a US military occupation, and we were going to dismantle their government and institutions, throw them in the trash, and force them adopt a pacifist democracy which is only legally eligible to have a small self defense force.

 

[LurchAddams]

Japan was trying to surrender but the US had a new toy they wanted to show off to the Soviets. The US is the most immoral empire in world history. Japanese fascists were building schools and factories all over Asia so the US decided they had to conform to western rule. Japan was nuked because they are nonwhite. It's as simple as the color of their skin. German nazis were recruited to work for the Anglosphere.

They killed many of our men and women, including civilians. They needed to be stopped. It worked. Also, the peace-feelers, as the article states below, were all bullshit. You're shilling anti-nuke hysteria.

Liar.

http://blog.nuclearsecrecy.com/2022...e-offer-to-surrender-before-hiroshima-part-1/