Hillary Clinton says the Electoral College 'needs to be eliminated'

You are hardly capable of describing nevermind recognizing genius, idiot.

I apologize for the mean tenor of the posts of brother rune : ( I hope everyone can move past it so that we can have a productive conversation in this thread. : )
 
As to anatta's post about the genius of the college,
I simply discard that as total bullshit and note that you favor what worked for you this time, despite the unfairness.

That's what an honest winner would admit.

"Bad laws make criminals of us all."
 
this whole argument is so stupid in that candidates campaign completely differently in trying to win the EC vs the popular vote. Everyone knows the rules ahead of time. There's a reason they don't spend time in CA for example. It doesn't matter whether you win the state by one vote or five million. If it was a popular vote election candidates would spend a lot more time here.

Well, that's about as fair as a war between a crickets and a praying mantis. "The crickets knew ahead of time" So the argument is not stupid. Yes, you have to play the ball as it lies, but that doesn't make it fair when you tater the ball in the middle of the fairway and you land in someone's unrepaired divot. We can still talk about the unfairness of the system. Shit, in California our votes are meaningless. They know it's dem, they don't come here, they simply bank it.

If you fell from mars, you would not design an electoral college. Veil of ignorance.
 
It should be. All movement towards one man one vote is to be welcomed. As usual, Hillary is correct, intellectually and morally.

as the original intent was to ensure that the rights of the minority wasn't obliterated by the mass of the majority, I'm guessing that this is the liberals way of saying fuck the minority??????
 
Bullshit.
The Electoral College was set up at a time when over 90% of the populace was illiterate.

It is now obsolete and an insult to the common man, whose vote is truly meaningless.

yet the massive voting for Obama and Clinton was because he was black and it was her time. fuck the issues.............so no. the electoral college is more important now that it was when it was created.
 
Well, that's about as fair as a war between a crickets and a praying mantis. "The crickets knew ahead of time" So the argument is not stupid. Yes, you have to play the ball as it lies, but that doesn't make it fair when you tater the ball in the middle of the fairway and you land in someone's unrepaired divot. We can still talk about the unfairness of the system. Shit, in California our votes are meaningless. They know it's dem, they don't come here, they simply bank it.

If you fell from mars, you would not design an electoral college. Veil of ignorance.

you have 55 electoral votes, how the fuck do you consider your MASSIVE and HIGHEST number of electoral votes meaningless?????
 
When we get to majority rule we will no longer have a republic.

Sure we will, a direct democracy is a myth, never existed except in people's minds, we elected people to represent us, that makes us a republic, the actual structure of the Gov't doesn't change this
 
As to anatta's post about the genius of the college,
I simply discard that as total bullshit and note that you favor what worked for you this time, despite the unfairness.

That's what an honest winner would admit.

"Bad laws make criminals of us all."

Yes, it worked for us.

Why don't you make it work for you next time? It's not rocket science. Gear your message so that it will score an electoral win.

Oh wait, that means giving up on your leftist extremism.
 
It should be. All movement towards one man one vote is to be welcomed. As usual, Hillary is correct, intellectually and morally.

LOL.

She's a loser, electorally, intellectually and morally.


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Yes, it worked for us.

Why don't you make it work for you next time? It's not rocket science. Gear your message so that it will score an electoral win.

Oh wait, that means giving up on your leftist extremism.

I don't think you know what "extremism" means. That implies that something is on the fringes.

When more people vote for something, it isn't extreme.
 
Sure we will, a direct democracy is a myth, never existed except in people's minds, we elected people to represent us, that makes us a republic, the actual structure of the Gov't doesn't change this

so you're saying that if majority vote elects a Democrat president, but a Republican house and senate, there and really be no obstruction because the people are truly represented?????
 
The electoral system is not fair, since it does not proportion electoral votes in relation to the population of a state. Smaller states have a greater say in the outcome.

This principle, however, is violated by the way we elect our President. Because of the Electoral College, the votes of some are worth more than the votes of others. Sometimes much more. One vote in Wyoming, for example, is worth about 3.6 votes in California. One vote in Vermont is worth 3.5 votes in Texas.
 
I will post some left wingers thoughts on the electoral college BEFORE the election. Leftists are such sore losers. They think they are entitled to rule


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I don't think you know what "extremism" means. That implies that something is on the fringes.

When more people vote for something, it isn't extreme.

It's extreme relative to the rest of the country and extreme relative to where even democrats were 15-20 years ago. Bill Clinton isn't far enough to the left to suit today's democrat party.

They may well have elected a socialist[!] if Bernie hadn't been screwed by the DNC in their primary.

The whole country doesn't want to partake of CA's madness.
 
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