Hillary Clinton and Huma Abedin are pictured together for the first time since losing

Nomad said:
Depends upon the officer charging the driver and what other behavior the driver was engaging in, like swerving in and out of traffic, skidding around corners, jumping curbs, smoking the tires etc, etc.

If the driver was on a basically straight line highway with no other traffic around or residential areas close by, maintaining control of the vehicle by staying in one lane and not exhibiting any other behavior that could be considered reckless, then it would most likely be a very expensive speeding ticket.

And speeding is the offense we're discussing here, not criminally reckless behavior.

Also, for all you low IQ conservative Hillary despisers, handling and mishandling secret govt information, particularly electronically transmitted information, is much a more complex situation than how fast one operates a motor vehicle. Many things have to be taken into consideration prior to filing criminal charges against someone who failed to follow to the letter, govt data transmission guidelines, the main one being intent. If someone committed a simple oversight, like failing to notice a small letter (c) at the beginning of a paragraph and transmitted that data to an authorized recipient over an unsecured server, that would be totally different than intentionally handing over printed paper documents to a female reporter one was screwing on the side, or a foreign agent, etc., for the intentional purpose of disclosing secret info to an unauthorized recipient. It is even different than "accidentally" taking unauthorized paper documents home in violation of the law.

You people are just so desperate to create some phony justification for the way HRC was railroaded by the sleazeball, gutter politics right, that you stoop to these absurd depths of idiocy in your attempts.

Like trying to compare speeding with emailing govt data.

Morons.
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18 U.S. Code § 793 (f) Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, note, or information, relating to the national defense, (1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed- Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/793
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^ show me where you see any mention of intent here. There is none.
 
anatta said:
^ show me where you see any mention of intent here. There is none.
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Nice strawman.

First: The statute specifies "gross negligence".

Who, other than rabid, salivating dogs like you, has legally defined her actions as "grossly" negligent? Nobody, that's who. Look up the definition of the term...

Gross negligence is a conscious and voluntary disregard of the need to use reasonable care, which is likely to cause foreseeable grave injury or harm to persons, property, or both. It is conduct that is extreme when compared with ordinary Negligence, which is a mere failure to exercise reasonable care.
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Second: The statute specifies "....delivered to anyone in violation of his trust." She NEVER delivered ANY classified info to unauthorized recipients like Petraeous did.

Third: No classified info was "....lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed."

So, another fail 4U.

Keep trying.
 
Nomad said:
First: The statute specifies "gross negligence".

Who, other than rabid, salivating dogs like you, has legally defined her actions as "grossly" negligent? Nobody, that's who. Look up the definition of the term...
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Comey called her actions "extreme carelessness". That is synonymous with gross negligence -
hence the statue



Second: The statute specifies "....delivered to anyone in violation of his trust." She NEVER delivered ANY classified info to unauthorized recipients like Petraeous did.

Third: No classified info was "....lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed."

So, another fail 4U.

Keep trying.
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read it more carefully. notice each clause is conjoined with the word "or".
That means any of the conditions - not all or not even more then one -is a violation of the statute subsection.
here is the relevant clause below:
through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody
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anatta said:
Nomad said:
Comey called her actions "extreme carelessness". That is synonymous with gross negligence -
hence the statue



read it more carefully. notice each clause is conjoined with the word "or".
That means any of the conditions - not all or not even more then one -is a violation of the statute subsection.
here is the relevant clause below:
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Gross negligence is a precise legal term which refers to a specific criminal behavior. Extreme carelessness is an opinion.

And you can have all the "ors" in there you want. If NONE of the terms separated by them apply, it is completely irrelevant.

Fail again.

Keep trying.
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also her aides used private accounts for government work, ClintonWorld was out of control.

State Dept. confirms Clinton aides had other unreported email accounts
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/aug/14/clinton-aides-had-unreported-email-accounts-state/
Huma Abedin and Cheryl Mills, former Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton’s top aides, used personal email accounts to conduct government business in addition to a State Department email and an account on the controversial server Mrs. Clinton kept at her New York home, the State Department confirmed to a federal court Friday.

The State Department admitted to the judge that it doesn’t have control over those documents, and can’t be sure it has all of the records from their time in the administration.

John F. Hackett, the top open-records official at the department, said they have officially concluded that Ms. Abedin and Ms. Mills “used personal email accounts located on commercial servers at times for government business.” Ms. Abedin, meanwhile, had an account at clintonemail.com, the domain tied to the Clinton home server.
 
Nomad said:
Gross negligence is a precise legal term which refers to a specific criminal behavior. Extreme carelessness is an opinion.

And you can have all the "ors" in there you want. If NONE of the terms separated by them apply, it is completely irrelevant.

Fail again.

Keep trying.
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Comey used that term -not an opinion. It is a descriptive phrase of her behavior.
If you want to argue extreme carelessness is not the same as gross negligence, you'd be hard pressed to show any daylight between the phrases.
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fr Quora: https://www.quora.com/Is-there-a-di...-by-Director-Comey-regarding-Hillary’s-emails
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The definition of gross negligence is admittedly vague, making it difficult at times to determine when someone crosses the line between mere negligence (a failure to exercise ordinary care, or, more colloquially, an unjustified mistake) and its more serious cousin.

Still, I see no obvious distinction between “extreme carelessness” and “gross negligence.” Black’s Law Dictionary (6th ed.) defines “gross negligence” as “a lack of slight diligence or care.”
 
anatta said:
Comey used that term -not an opinion. It is a descriptive phrase of her behavior.
If you want to argue extreme carelessness is not the same as gross negligence, you'd be hard pressed to show any daylight between the phrases.
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fr Quora: https://www.quora.com/Is-there-a-di...-by-Director-Comey-regarding-Hillary’s-emails
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The definition of gross negligence is admittedly vague, making it difficult at times to determine when someone crosses the line between mere negligence (a failure to exercise ordinary care, or, more colloquially, an unjustified mistake) and its more serious cousin.

Still, I see no obvious distinction between “extreme carelessness” and “gross negligence.” Black’s Law Dictionary (6th ed.) defines “gross negligence” as “a lack of slight diligence or care.”
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10 Times People Were Punished For FAR Less Than What Hillary Clinton Did

Read more: http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/hillary-clinton-email-10-punished-less/#ixzz4TxdTYZab
 
doctordog said:
10 Times People Were Punished For FAR Less Than What Hillary Clinton Did

Read more: http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/hillary-clinton-email-10-punished-less/#ixzz4TxdTYZab
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good references. without actually study -these 2 I glossed over ( at minimum) are the same.
1.Bill Clinton’s CIA Director Was Pardoned During Plea Negotiations for Storing Classified Data on Home Computer: John Deutch, CIA director under President Clinton, was found to have classified information on a government-owned computer in his home several days after he left the CIA. He had to be pardoned in the middle of plea negotiations by Hillary’s husband.

2.Navy engineer sentenced for mishandling classified material: Bryan Nishimura of Folsom, California, pled guilty to the unauthorized removal and retention of classified materials during stints in Afghanistan in 2007 and 2008. Here’s the money quote from the AP – “An FBI search of Nishimura’s home turned up classified materials, but did not reveal evidence he intended to distribute them.” The exact words used to clear Hillary of her misdeeds. Instead, Nishimura was sentenced to two years probation, fined $7,500, and had to surrender his security clearance. Meanwhile, Clinton will be able to serve as Commander-in-Chief.
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Comey claimed he could not find precedence. Clearly there was no intent needed, and there is precedence
( precedence means similarity of circumstances of prosecution))
I'm pretty sure he didn't want to make the call - Lynch and Bill Clinton having dropped the hot potato in his lap.
The whole thing reeked of malfeasance.

LOCK HER UP! :)
 
anatta said:
good references. without actually study -these 2 I glossed over ( at minimum) are the same.

Comey claimed he could not find precedence. Clearly there was no intent needed, and there is precedence
( precedence means similarity of circumstances of prosecution))
I'm pretty sure he didn't want to make the call - Lynch and Bill Clinton having dropped the hot potato in his lap.
The whole thing reeked of malfeasance.

LOCK HER UP! :)
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yes, she was clearly given a pass
 
doctordog said:
yes, she was clearly given a pass
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I think Comey refused to make any judgement -but had to issue the statement excoriating her for her blatant lack of regards.

I don't blame Comey though. He should never have ben put in that position -FBI is investigative.
This was a DoJ call.
Circumstances appear that BClinton got on the plane to derail the investigation ( impeach Lynch).

But Lynch should have kept any recommendation in DoJ ( like an assistant). it never made any sense
to leave it on Comey's desk. I think she knew he would cave given that unwanted responsibility.
Just my opinion from reading the tea leaves
 
anatta said:
I think Comey refused to make any judgement -but had to issue the statement excoriating her for her blatant lack of regards.

I don't blame Comey though. He should never have ben put in that position -FBI is investigative.
This was a DoJ call.
Circumstances appear that BClinton got on the plane to derail the investigation ( impeach Lynch).

But Lynch should have kept any recommendation in DoJ ( like an assistant). it never made any sense
to leave it on Comey's desk. I think she knew he would cave given that unwanted responsibility.
Just my opinion from reading the tea leaves
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I think Obama played both sides of the fence and actually wanted Comey to make the announcement as he and Hillary never really patched things up. I think she was set up by her own party and does not even realize it.
 
doctordog said:
I think Obama played both sides of the fence and actually wanted Comey to make the announcement as he and Hillary never really patched things up. I think she was set up by her own party and does not even realize it.
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*meh* i'm not going into conspiracies..just reading existent tea leaves..
 
You Hilary hating dipshits just keep twisting words and spinning reality to justify your irrational bullshit and your support for the biggest clown to ever run for office.

If that makes you feel better, than have at it.

Nobody cares.

Trump will begin proving us right and you wrong very soon.
 
Nomad said:
You Hilary hating dipshits just keep twisting words and spinning reality to justify your irrational bullshit and your support for the biggest clown to ever run for office.

If that makes you feel better, than have at it.

Nobody cares.

Trump will begin proving us right and you wrong very soon.
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Obama proved us right as Trump beat the woman predicted to win by every pundit in the country, even Fox news. nuff said
 
doctordog said:
Obama proved us right as Trump beat the woman predicted to win by every pundit in the country, even Fox news. nuff said
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Nomad said:
You Hilary hating dipshits just keep twisting words and spinning reality to justify your irrational bullshit and your support for the biggest clown to ever run for office.

If that makes you feel better, than have at it.

Nobody cares.

Trump will begin proving us right and you wrong very soon.
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psychological projection, and denial of reality
 
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