Here's what I don't understand...

Like I have said, I lived in the middle east for two years... I worked with muslims daily as part of my job. I never met anyone there who thought it was "blessed" to harm innocents in the name of God.

Not that they wanted to discuss with you. It is the teaching of the religion to do so.

Did you look up "taquiyah"? Tell the class what it is, jerkoff.
 
Not that they wanted to discuss with you. It is the teaching of the religion to do so.

Did you look up "taquiyah"? Tell the class what it is, jerkoff.

they very much DID want to discuss with me...
and they did so because they were not threatened by me or felt persecuted or compelled.

as to taqiyya - the word is primarily shiite in use...and it permits - as opposed to compels - muslims to conceal their faith only when under threat, persecution or compulsion.

and "jerkoff" is really unnecessary, don't you think, you fucking douchebag asshole?

Treat me with respect and you'll get it back. Lower the tone, and I can go lower... guaranteed.
 
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they very much DID want to discuss with me...
and they did so because they were not threatened by me or felt persecuted or compelled.

as to taqiyya - the word is primarily shiite in use...and it permits - as opposed to compels - muslims to conceal their faith only when under threat, persecution or compulsion.

and "jerkoff" is really unnecessary, don't you think, you fucking douchebag asshole?

Treat me with respect and you'll get it back. Lower the tone, and I can go lower... guaranteed.

I'd say the entire muslim world feels compelled and persecuted. So you believe people who are lying right to your face, and their religion condones such lying. How did a bastard so stupid as you make it this far in life?
 
I'd say the entire muslim world feels compelled and persecuted. So you believe people who are lying right to your face, and their religion condones such lying. How did a bastard so stupid as you make it this far in life?
what you would "say" does not necessarily comport with reality. You are clearly too wet behind the ears to understand the vacuous depths of your own ignorance... good luck with that.
 
what you would "say" does not necessarily comport with reality. You are clearly too wet behind the ears to understand the vacuous depths of your own ignorance... good luck with that.

But only you believe people who advocate lying to further their theocratic and murderous agenda. That's just stupidity, no matter how may layers of shinola you put over it.
 
But only you believe people who advocate lying to further their theocratic and murderous agenda. That's just stupidity, no matter how may layers of shinola you put over it.

as stated, the only time that lying is permitted - not even compelled - is when the muslim - almost always shiite - feels that he or she is under threat, persecution or compulsion. None of the muslims that I knew and lived with were under any such conditions while socializing with me. And again, you probably would much more interesting to talk with, and would be more effective as a communicator, if you didn't try so hard to be such an insufferable little prick... I'm just sayin'..
 
as stated, the only time that lying is permitted - not even compelled - is when the muslim - almost always shiite - feels that he or she is under threat, persecution or compulsion. None of the muslims that I knew and lived with were under any such conditions while socializing with me. And again, you probably would much more interesting to talk with, and would be more effective as a communicator, if you didn't try so hard to be such an insufferable little prick... I'm just sayin'..

You don't know what socializing with you is really like. You're too close to it.
 
To answer the original "Here's what I don't understand..."

- that Iraq was a mistake
- that Ward Churchill is not "liberals" in general
- that Bush was one of our worst 5 Presidents
- the size of the green zone
- that Sarah Palin was a drag on the McCain ticket because she was a lousy VP candidate, not because she let herself be reigned in by staffers
- that Clear Skies was never passed into law
- that a few used sarin cannisters from '91 weren't the WMD's Bush was talking about
- 1/3
 
You don't know what socializing with you is really like. You're too close to it.

i wouldn't put to much stock in his alleged experiences over two decades ago...especially given that any alleged socializing with muslims was in lebanon and that he only talked a few muslims out of how many billion? and that he was in an official capacity, i don't know if he has mentioned on this forum, so i can't say.

but he definitely (if true even there) was not just going around as a buddy or someone just living there...
 
To answer the original "Here's what I don't understand..."

- that Iraq was a mistake
- that Ward Churchill is not "liberals" in general
- that Bush was one of our worst 5 Presidents
- the size of the green zone
- that Sarah Palin was a drag on the McCain ticket because she was a lousy VP candidate, not because she let herself be reigned in by staffers
- that Clear Skies was never passed into law
- that a few used sarin cannisters from '91 weren't the WMD's Bush was talking about
- 1/3

ROTFLMAO.... That wins the award as the best post of the day!
 
clearly, your lack of understanding of islam and radical islam knows no bounds. Clearly, your lack of understanding of the dynamics of poverty and inequity knows no bounds. It seems to me that you are the only one really arguing against me here... and if I can make a moron like you laugh, it may not do my ego any good, but it warms my heart nonetheless.

I would argue against you, if you made any valid point to argue. You have only espoused some irrational opinion which is not rooted in reality or logic. The only "argument" it needs, is to reveal how devoid of logic it is! I've done that, so my job is done here, unless you come up with more asinine stupidity to espouse.

Like I said, you don't need to look far past your own neighborhood in Alabama to find folks who mistreat women and minorities and gays. And if it really IS YOUR fight, why don't you get your lazy ass off of the barcalounger in your doublewide and go and fucking enlist in the army and spill YOUR blood so my kids won't have to spill theirs for YOUR wars. OK? You are awfully damned cavalier with American blood when you yourself have never put yourself in harm's way, IMHO.

No, you said I voted for people like that, and I never have. I also don't know of any Alabamians who would round up women and shoot them in the head for not wearing a head cover or talking back to their old man. I don't need to enlist, we have record numbers of young people already enlisting, because they are unlike you, they are decent human beings who see the injustice and realize they must fight it. In the past, I have indeed put myself in harm's way to fight for what is morally right. But you wouldn't know a damn thing about that, because you are a moral coward.

You'll sit here on your ass and make excuses for the abhorrent crimes against humanity, the oppressive discrimination against women and gays, the senseless killing of innocent people who don't succumb to the radical views of alQaeda, and try to claim some fucking moral high ground! What's worse, is you will justify your moral cowardice by blaming America, and trying to pretend this is about economic plight, instead of admitting the truth.
 
I would argue against you, if you made any valid point to argue. You have only espoused some irrational opinion which is not rooted in reality or logic. The only "argument" it needs, is to reveal how devoid of logic it is! I've done that, so my job is done here, unless you come up with more asinine stupidity to espouse.
what you like to call logic is not.

No, you said I voted for people like that, and I never have. I also don't know of any Alabamians who would round up women and shoot them in the head for not wearing a head cover or talking back to their old man. I don't need to enlist, we have record numbers of young people already enlisting, because they are unlike you, they are decent human beings who see the injustice and realize they must fight it. In the past, I have indeed put myself in harm's way to fight for what is morally right. But you wouldn't know a damn thing about that, because you are a moral coward.

you never voted for a single politician in all you days in Alabama that had voted against the equal rights amendment, that had voted against any civil rights amendments, that had voted against any gay rights initiatives? I find that incredibly hard to believe.

You'll sit here on your ass and make excuses for the abhorrent crimes against humanity, the oppressive discrimination against women and gays, the senseless killing of innocent people who don't succumb to the radical views of alQaeda, and try to claim some fucking moral high ground! What's worse, is you will justify your moral cowardice by blaming America, and trying to pretend this is about economic plight, instead of admitting the truth.

LIAR. I have never once made excuses for any of those crimes... and I certainly have never condoned them. I have NEVER said that radical islam was "about economic plight". I have said, that economic plight makes AQ a more attractive option for many downtrodden muslims. Attendance at Boston Red Sox games goes UP on sunny summer days when the temperature is in the low 70's. That does not mean that the national pastime is "about" relatively cool summer days any more than pointing out that economic hardship makes radical islam an interesting and compelling alternative means that radical islam is "about" economic inequity.
 
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what you like to call logic is not.



you never voted for a single politician in all you days in Alabama that had voted against the equal rights amendment, that had voted against any civil rights amendments, that had voted against any gay rights initiatives? I find that incredibly hard to believe.



LIAR. I have never once made excuses for any of those crimes... and I certainly have never condoned them. I have NEVER said that radical islam was "about economic plight". I have said, that economic plight makes their AQ a more attractive option for many downtrodden muslims.

you shouldn't be calling anyone a liar...you outright said it was about economic plight and that with better economics they would quit:

and if their economic situation were improved, the number of them who would continue to hold those radical beliefs would radically diminish.

it is no wonder you refuse to debate me one on one...you convict yourself of your lies routinely...

face it, you have no logical point with which to stand on here...
 
Aaaaugh.... Yurt, Dix and MM have their own history.

damo, my old friend... you and I certainly remember the MM/Dixie feuds of the old politics.com and FP. com days... at the essence of them was always an intrinsic difference of political opinion.

yurtie is a different story. He is pure poison from my perspective. He is an internet stalker who found out my real life identity and then, best case, distributed it to others who sought to do me ill... worst case, it was him. It was a sorry day for me when he found your board. I have the little prick on ignore and will keep him there. He is a whiny little "man" who hangs around with bad bad people... you should be very wary of him, but I know that you watch everyone with an informed and objective diligence so I am preaching to the choir.
 
damo, my old friend... you and I certainly remember the MM/Dixie feuds of the old politics.com and FP. com days... at the essence of them was always an intrinsic difference of political opinion.

yurtie is a different story. He is pure poison from my perspective. He is an internet stalker who found out my real life identity and then, best case, distributed it to others who sought to do me ill... worst case, it was him. It was a sorry day for me when he found your board. I have the little prick on ignore and will keep him there. He is a whiny little "man" who hangs around with bad bad people... you should be very wary of him, but I know that you watch everyone with an informed and objective diligence so I am preaching to the choir.

liar...and everyone knows it...

if i am on ignore, why do you spend so much time blathering about me? you've claimed in the past i am on ignore and you got caught in a red handed lie aobut it, no one believes you.

you know i didn't do anything you claimed, i know because you have told others who have informed me that you don't believe it is me...you have proven yourself to be a liar and nothing more.

pathetic really....but do keep up the lies, it only makes me look better as it shows you can't debate me, all you have is a deep obsessional hatred for me that consumes you. lighten up and just debate, let go of the hate
 
for the record...it was MM who brought shit from another board over here now...i could have babbled on and on about his threats to my family etc...but i agree with those that spoke with me here that it is best to ignore MM about the other board on focus here...i have done so

obviously MM's unhealthly obsession can't let the old board issues go, sad really.
 
I have said, that economic plight makes AQ a more attractive option for many downtrodden muslims.

I know, and I have shown that assertion to be wholly invalid. First of all, there is no option for many of these people, they can ascribe to radical Islam or fucking die, they have no real choice. This shit is being forced on them against their will, in many cases, and that is part and parcel of the problem! Secondly, there is absolutely nothing in the radical message to foster hope for better equity, in fact, it speaks out against the very equity you claim these people are searching for! Lastly, there is also no mention of personal freedom or freedom from tyranny, quite the contrary, radical Islam preached obedience to the Ayatollah's, Mullah's and Clerics, and following their interpretation of what Allah wants, forsaking your own personal freedoms! Nothing about radical Islam preaches equality for women or gays, or religious tolerance, again... quite the contrary!

The basis and premise of you argument is absurd and devoid of logic, it has no basis in reality, and no evidence of support. It is a dusted-off template of an argument for inner-city youth being attracted to gangs, and in THAT scenario, you may have some kind of a point, but that is NOT what radical Islam is about, it has nothing to do with the same dynamics or motivations, and for you to continue to stubbornly cling to something that is completely out of the realm of rationalization, is evidence of your own moral cowardice and lack of ethics.
 
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