Helen Mirren Should Fucking Hang!

Consider this: With the fall of Rome, Britain's Heptarchy was the most sophisticated and functional society in all of Europe. Some incompetent Bretwalda's were unfortuntate to come along, and Britain was severely knocked backward in 1066 when the Normans invaded. The advent of monarchy and feudalism, however, did not prevent Britain from developing common law, individual rights, and ultimately democracy and constitutionalism.

All derived from Anglo-Saxon tribal traditions rather than Roman law.

Don't forget that the Romans only penetrated the Anglo-Saxon homelands in raids and they never conquered them.
 
Caboose said:
That assumes so much it's not even a legitimate mental exercise. Not to mention that none of the navies had the transport capabilities to cross the Atlantic.
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The Japanese and Germans had plans to disable the Panama Canal and attack Canada from the Western and Eastern seaboards.
 
AnyOldIron said:
Consider this: With the fall of Rome, Britain's Heptarchy was the most sophisticated and functional society in all of Europe. Some incompetent Bretwalda's were unfortuntate to come along, and Britain was severely knocked backward in 1066 when the Normans invaded. The advent of monarchy and feudalism, however, did not prevent Britain from developing common law, individual rights, and ultimately democracy and constitutionalism.

All derived from Anglo-Saxon tribal traditions rather than Roman law.

Don't forget that the Romans only penetrated the Anglo-Saxon homelands in raids and they never conquered them.
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At that time there was no Saxon lineage. They were mostly Gaels and Celts.
 
Damocles said:
There's a huge dosage of Germany in the US as well. Germans (those that remember they are of German descent) are the single largest ethnic group in the US. It was one of the reasons that it was so difficult to get the US into that war in Europe.
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Yes, sadly I am 1/4 German (*spits*), as well as part Scots-Irish (would prefer pure Irish, but, :yay: ), Czech and Slovene (don'r care...). I may have some Greek, since my Slovenian ancestors acted very Greek by being Orthodox rather than Catholic.

But I am not culturally any of those things. I am culturally English. I don't spekka the Douche, nor do I have a German lust for blood and killing. I do enjoy German music (classical and techno), but that's about it...
 
There's a huge dosage of Germany in the US as well. Germans (those that remember they are of German descent) are the single largest ethnic group in the US. It was one of the reasons that it was so difficult to get the US into that war in Europe.

Later migrants. How many of the founding fathers had German descent.

Probably most actually, as the Anglo-Saxons and Germans share common ancestors.
 
Threedee said:
Yes, sadly I am 1/4 German (*spits*), as well as part Scots-Irish (would prefer pure Irish, but, :yay: ), Czech and Slovene (don'r care...). I may have some Greek, since my Slovenian ancestors acted very Greek by being Orthodox rather than Catholic.

But I am not culturally any of those things. I am culturally English. I don't spekka the Douche, nor do I have a German lust for blood and killing. I do enjoy German music (classical and techno), but that's about it...
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*gh* <- me holding back the taste of bile that a mention of techno music caused.

Many of the differences in the cultures of Britain and the US are from Germany, even small things like 1/4 notes are from German culture. When the US was being created there was debate between German and English as the national language.
 
tom prendergast said:
The Japanese and Germans had plans to disable the Panama Canal and attack Canada from the Western and Eastern seaboards.
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Disabling the canal is a different matter, but it's simply impossible, then and now, to land any sort of army of any significance on North America. The act of forming up enough transit is monumental in and of itself. And then there is the logistical train needed to supply such a large army. Not to mention the propensity of American citizens to be armed.
 
AnyOldIron said:
There's a huge dosage of Germany in the US as well. Germans (those that remember they are of German descent) are the single largest ethnic group in the US. It was one of the reasons that it was so difficult to get the US into that war in Europe.

Later migrants. How many of the founding fathers had German descent.

Probably most actually, as the Anglo-Saxons and Germans share common ancestors.
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Our king at that time was a German Hanover!!

But my Founders were largely English, and Franklin even bitched about the "Germanizing" of parts of Pennsylvania and elsewhere in American during the 1780s, which he saw as a bad deal.
 
At that time there was no Saxon lineage. They were mostly Gaels and Celts.

Were you educated in Ireland?

The Romano-British, who had vague Celtic ancestors were defeated by the invading Anglo-Saxons from the C6th onwards. The Anglo-Saxons then spread throughout the British Isles, eventually defeating the remaining Celts of Scotland and Ireland. The defeat of the Celtic fringe was the Birth of the British Empire.

However Common Law and the rights of the individual come from Anglo-Saxon tradition.
 
Threedee said:
Our king at that time was a German Hanover!!

But my Founders were largely English, and Franklin even bitched about the "Germanizing" of parts of Pennsylvania and elsewhere in American during the 1780s, which he saw as a bad deal.
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George Washington's family came from near where I am from, the Mayflower sailed from Boston in Lincolnshire, and Abraham Lincoln's family originated from my hometown. Lincoln.
 
AnyOldIron said:
At that time there was no Saxon lineage. They were mostly Gaels and Celts.

Were you educated in Ireland?

The Romano-British, who had vague Celtic ancestors were defeated by the invading Anglo-Saxons from the C6th onwards. The Anglo-Saxons then spread throughout the British Isles, eventually defeating the remaining Celts of Scotland and Ireland. The defeat of the Celtic fringe was the Birth of the British Empire.

However Common Law and the rights of the individual come from Anglo-Saxon tradition.
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I'll agree on the common law part, however during the time of Roman invasion, the tribes were mostly Celtic or Gaelic, who came from Spain and Gaul.
 
Caboose said:
I'll agree on the common law part, however during the time of Roman invasion, the tribes were mostly Celtic or Gaelic, who came from Spain and Gaul.
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True, but they were rapidly swept aside, just as Caesar swept aside the Gaulic Celts.

The Germanic ancestors of the Anglo-Saxons were never conquered. That is the fighting spirit that still remains in the British, as well as an indifference towards the conquered that still so riles your countrymen.
 
AnyOldIron said:
True, but they were rapidly swept aside, just as Caesar swept aside the Gaulic Celts.

The Germanic ancestors of the Anglo-Saxons were never conquered. That is the fighting spirit that still remains in the British, as well as an indifference towards the conquered that still so riles your countrymen.
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Not really, they never advanced into northern Briton, or the Irish/Scottish isles.
 
Caboose said:
Disabling the canal is a different matter, but it's simply impossible, then and now, to land any sort of army of any significance on North America. The act of forming up enough transit is monumental in and of itself. And then there is the logistical train needed to supply such a large army. Not to mention the propensity of American citizens to be armed.
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The Japanese planned to take the Aleutian Islands and Hawaii whilst the Germans planned to take Iceland, Greenland, Nova Scotia and Newfoundland.
 
Caboose said:
Disabling the canal is a different matter, but it's simply impossible, then and now, to land any sort of army of any significance on North America. The act of forming up enough transit is monumental in and of itself. And then there is the logistical train needed to supply such a large army. Not to mention the propensity of American citizens to be armed.
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Canadians too.
 
AnyOldIron said:
There's a huge dosage of Germany in the US as well. Germans (those that remember they are of German descent) are the single largest ethnic group in the US. It was one of the reasons that it was so difficult to get the US into that war in Europe.

Later migrants. How many of the founding fathers had German descent.

Probably most actually, as the Anglo-Saxons and Germans share common ancestors.
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Incorrect, many of them were of German descent. As I said, there was even debate about which language we would use to create those first documents. There is a ton of German in our culture. (There's a ton in yours too, considering the language is Germanic to begin with).
 
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