Health Care Law Declared Void by Florida Judge
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Bfgrn
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Then you should fully support legislation introduced by Senator Patrick Leahy of Vermont in 2009 called the Health Insurance Industry Antitrust Enforcement Act, which removes the exemption or immunity health insurers enjoy. The law would also apply to medical malpractice insurers.
FuzzyBunny
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Is Harvard or other Major Universities unbiased?
More importantly, Does Brent Skinner offers a compelling argument against Elizabeth Warren's numbers? I think so.
If you were to have asked my opinion on medical Bankruptcies, regardless of whether they are 17% or 54%, My answer would remain the same. I don't care. Solve the larger issue of Healthcare affordability and the Number drops.
I can try, in the meantime. Could you tell me why EVERY liberal dismisses information based on undisclosed, nondescript set of guidelines and yet the wholesale acceptance of other information borders on zealotry?
FuzzyBunny
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Sure Do.
In fact that was step 1 on FuzzyBunnyCare that I wrote my congress people about as part of the Repeal and Replace movement on Obamacare.
Step 2- - Dismantle and replace all state Healthcare mandates with a single basic federal mandate in which will be the foundation of all other policies. Require that the Basic Federal Plan be sold in every insurance package with whatever supplemental package the consumer desires.
there are several others
Bfgrn
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I base my opinions mostly on experience and what I see going on in this country. I've been around since Harry Truman was in the White House. I have always had a healthy skepticism of government. But I also have an equal skepticism of corporations with vested interests in undermining legislation. I see only the first and none of the latter from conservatives.
I have seen how corporations have literally destroyed community based economies, destroyed trades and culinary skills that were passed down from father to son. And the right want MORE not less. It is rooted in an ignorance of human nature. The conservative equates virtue with wealth, the liberal equates virtue with honesty.
New study finds 45,000 deaths annually linked to lack of health coverage
Yet 20,000,000 Mexicans come here for free health care....go figure....
Do you have some proof that studies done by far-left wing universities with a liberal/socialist agenda are more accurate than other studies...???
FuzzyBunny
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So your saying your old and set in your ways.
Well, I am young and idealistic and I have seen governments from Federal, State and Local bury us in a insurmountable mountain of debt with no end in sight. Forced corporation to seek better environments from the oppressive ones they have come from, I have seen governments destroy entire cities and states into economic and social wastelands all in the desire to achieve utopia. There is no amount of money that exist on this planet whether in the past, present or future that would ever stratify the insatiable hunger of the Big Gov.
I find no reason to allow Government to be any bigger than absolutely necessary
You mind if I borrow this "liberal equates virtue with honesty" I know a lot of people that would get a chuckle from it.
Bfgrn
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In America the young are always ready to give to those who are older than themselves the full benefits of their inexperience.
Oscar Wilde
I am not set in my ways, but I am very confident in what I know, because I lived through it with my eyes and my mind open.
You are more that welcome to defend conservatism, but I have yet to meet anyone who can do it without diminishing others or requiring some group of human beings to evaporate. It is a negative form of thought that is incompatible with a free and open society. It is anti-democratic in nature and builds nothing, it can only tear things down. The last 30 years are a shining example of conservatism.
Conservatism throughout human history has always created a aristocracy, plutocracy, or some form of oppressive society where there is a ruling class or hierarchy. Today's aristocrats and hierarchy are the CEO's, corporations, free marketeers, and the business elite. Conservatives will defend to the death McDonalds right to slowly poison our children, but they never defend our children's health and well being.
I've been around since Harry Truman was President, so I lived through a good portion of the liberal era that started with the New Deal and ended with the Great Society. It was America's finest moment. It was an era with huge economic growth and shared wealth, fantastic successes in technology, vast expansion of citizen freedoms and liberties and the growth of a middle class that defined this country and made America the 'city upon the hill', the envy of the world.
That era ended at the close of the 1960's, due to a weak and splintered Democratic party caused by the Vietnam War and political assassinations. It ushered in a conservative era that has continued ever since. It has been a disaster, a negative mirror image of the liberal era. Ronald Reagan was the biggest socialist in history. He is the pied piper on the road to serfdom. He began a systematic dismantling of all the gains the middle class had secured. Reagan transferred wealth from the poor and the middle class to the opulent. He looted Social Security to cover the shortfalls of his tax cuts for the wealthy. And the whole 'small businessman is the engine of growth' was cruel rhetoric. The self-employment tax jumped as much as 66 percent under Reagan.
Conservatives have built nothing in 30 +years...NOTHING. They have only destroyed and torn down everything our grandparents and parents built together as ONE nation, one people. The America that was first to the moon now lead the world in incarcerating human beings...THINK about THAT...The United States of America, the 'city upon the hill' arrests and imprisons MORE of their citizens per capita that China or Russia!
I've lived to see the total failure of two revolutions of extreme ideology. The Bolshevik revolution and the Reagan revolution. Unfettered communism and unfettered capitalism creates the same end...failure.
Conservatism has no investment in human capital. It believes everyone is basically evil, so it treats people accordingly and it always creates a fear of 'others', some group of people that must be excluded or ostracized. Liberalism is faith in human beings and a trust that the human spirit can solve all man-made problems. Liberalism is a belief that everyone is basically good, and all they need a fair opportunity to succeed.
I've said it before and I will say it again, not because of any ideology, I say it from what I've seen and lived through. So you are more than welcome to defend conservatism, but I've seen the end of America as we know it, I was an unwilling passenger on the bus conservatives drove to that precipice.
What are you going to argue next, it was liberals and progressives who supported torture?
Liberalism is trust of the people, tempered by prudence; conservatism, distrust of people, tempered by fear.
William E. Gladstone
FuzzyBunny
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Oscar Wilde is not here
Well, If I decide to stay you're in for a real treat.
It only becomes a negative form of thought when you have to repeal all the crap progressives managed to con everyone into.
Since Conservative have only controlled the House for 6 of those 30 years. You haven't a clue what your talking about.
FuzzyBunny
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Well of course they do..
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What's ironic is, Bfoon is devoid of virtue AND honesty, so maybe he has made an actual point? If so, it would mark the first time he has made a point here, and certainly calls for a celebration!
DamnYankee
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Topspin
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What's ironic is, Bfoon is devoid of virtue AND honesty, so maybe he has made an actual point? If so, it would mark the first time he has made a point here, and certainly calls for a celebration!
Pot meet mr Kettle and his wife/cousin
Interesting....
An exchange between a young progressive conservative and an old, narrow minded, brain washed, liberal....
Very interesting.
They say its the young and idealistic that carry the liberal banner, and the older, more mature one gets and with the experience of real life, they become more conservative...
I guess this is the exception and I'm heartened to see a younger generation with the insight to see the that the road to socialism is a dead end for all of us....as it has been shown to be everywhere in the world it was tryed.....
I, myself was a JFK Democrat and even supported LBJ until I got to know him and the hypocrites that comprised the Democratic party back then.....they left me, I didn't leave them.....and goof riddance to them.
An exchange between a young progressive conservative and an old, narrow minded, brain washed, liberal....
Very interesting.
They say its the young and idealistic that carry the liberal banner, and the older, more mature one gets and with the experience of real life, they become more conservative...
I guess this is the exception and I'm heartened to see a younger generation with the insight to see the that the road to socialism is a dead end for all of us....as it has been shown to be everywhere in the world it was tryed.....
I, myself was a JFK Democrat and even supported LBJ until I got to know him and the hypocrites that comprised the Democratic party back then.....they left me, I didn't leave them.....and goof riddance to them.
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christiefan915
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Do you have any proof of this, other than right-wing blogs? It's also true that Americans go to Mexico for cheaper health care.
According to the site www.internationalliving.com, health care in Mexico is described as very good to excellent while being highly affordable, with every medium to large city in Mexico having at least one first-rate hospital. In fact, some California insurers sell health insurance policies that require members to go to Mexico for health care where costs are 40% lower.[8] Some of Mexico's top-rate hospitals are internationally accredited.[9] Americans, particularly those living near the Mexican border, now routinely cross the border into Mexico for medical care.[10] Popular specialties include dentistry and plastic surgery. Mexican dentists often charge 20 to 25 percent of US prices,[11] while other procedures typically cost a third what they would cost in the US.[10] The www.internationalliving.com site states that on average, an office visit with a doctor—specialists included—will cost about US$25, an overnight stay in a private hospital room costs about $35, and a visit to a dentist for teeth cleaning costs about $20. Some 40,000 to 80,000 American seniors spend their retirement years in Mexico with a considerable number receiving nursing home and health care.[12]
# ^ Insurers require insured to go to Mexico Retrieved July 10, 2009.
# ^ Some Hospitals are Internationally Accredited Retrieved July 10, 2009.
# ^ a b Philip J. Hilts, Quality and Low Cost of Medical Care Lure Americans to Mexican Doctors, New York Times, November 23, 1992, accessed July 10, 2009
# ^ Manuel Roig-Franzia, Discount Dentistry, South of The Border, Washingtonpost.com, June 18, 2007, accessed October 15, 2008
# ^ senior retire and receive nursing home and home health care in Mexico Retrieved July 10, 2009.
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FuzzyBunny
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His statement was overly simplified. They come here for ther whole package.
Since you used Wiki, I'll assume Wiki isn't a right wing blog.
In 2005 the government of Yucatan produced a handbook and DVD about the risks and implications of crossing the U.S.-Mexico border. The guide told immigrants where to find health care, how to get their kids into U.S. schools, and how to send money home.
Bfgrn
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A progressive conservative? Ever mix oil & water?
I am still a JFK Democrat, and I can say unequivocally that your were NEVER a JFK Democrat in this life or any other. John F. Kennedy strongly believed that the privileged in our society must give back, not take. He believed serving the republic for the betterment of OTHERS was the highest calling.
In a very real sense I AM the conservative. I was raised in the 1950's. My dad was the sole provider, and my mom was a housewife and mother. It wasn't called 'family values', it was just family. When I came home from school, no matter what kind of day I had, it immediately became brighter when I walked in the door to an enthusiastic 'Hi honey' from my mom. It not only brightened my day, it built self worth and created and reinforced a positive self image. All my friends and school mates had a similar story...a father that worked and a mother that stayed home to raise and nurture their children. None of us kids ever knew or even cared what anyone's father did for a living. None of us had to go without; food, clothing, pets, bikes, baseball gloves, doctor care (our doctor used to come to the house), a real quality public education with all the extras; sports, arts, school run ice rink, summer basketball programs etc. But none of us were pampered or spoiled either.
THAT is exactly what I want for my kids and for my grand-kids.
So, what is conservatism? In my opinion, it is respect for the past and the wisdom of our ancestors. Their lives were built on their ancestors and so it goes, from one generation to the next. You ultimately respect the lives and toil of our ancestors not by paying lip service or using empty rhetoric like 'family values'. You do it by embracing their lessons learned; respecting the policies, regulations and programs they crafted that increased the benefits and lessened the losses in our communities and our society we reap the benefits of.
How did our ancestors craft them, were they based on some 'ideology'? I believe they were based on common sense, common decency, experience, trial and error, community activism, elections and community involvement.
So...In a very real way I AM truly a conservative.
Are ANY of the people that now call themselves conservatives today looking for common sense, common decency solutions to benefit their families and their community, or are they ideologues, that want to dismantle any shred of COMMunity and replace it with SELF interest?
That is not 'conservatism', that is narcissism.
"You shall rise in the presence of grey hairs, give honor to the aged, and fear God, I am the Lord"
Leviticus 19:32