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Health Care Law Declared Void by Florida Judge
Published: Monday, 31 Jan 2011 * 3:11 PM ET Text Size By: AP

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A federal judge in Florida says the Obama administration's health overhaul is unconstitutional, siding with 26 states that had sued to block it.



U.S. District Judge Roger Vinson on Monday accepted without trial the states' argument that the new law violates people's rights by forcing them to buy health insurance by 2014 or face penalties.

Attorneys for the administration had argued that the states did not have standing to challenge the law and that the case should be dismissed.

The case is likely to go to the U.S. Supreme Court. Two other federal judges have upheld the insurance requirement, but a federal judge in Virginia also ruled the insurance requirement unconstitutional.
 
They can just increase the taxes then have a deduction for if you have insurance instead of the way its set up now.
 
I'd use it big time in campaigning if it holds up. IE. this guy (the one) a lawyer should have know better than to try and jam this piece of shit down our throats.
 
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By: David Kopel

1. The 26 states lose on the argument that the mandate for drastically increased state spending under Medicaid is unconstitutional. State participation in Medicaid always has been voluntary, and remains so. The states did not argue that the revisions to the Medicaid grant program violate the 4-factor test in S.D. v. Dole as to when conditional federal grants to states are permissible.

2. The plaintiffs win on the individual mandate. The individuals plaintiffs, and the National Federation of Independent Businesses have standing to challenge the mandate. So do Utah and Idaho, at the least, because of state statutes forbidding health insurance mandates. According to original meaning, “commerce” was trade. Citation to Randy Barnett. Even the modern precedents require “activity” as a predicate for commerce clause regulation. Discussion of the pre-Revolution boycott of tea, in protest against the Stamp Act; surely the new Constitution did not empower Congress to mandate the consumption of tea. The decision not to purchase health insurance is not an “activity.” Congress cannot use the commerce power to mandate the purchase of broccoli or General Moters automobiles. (Contra Chemerinsky’s cited argument that Congress can mandate automobile purchases.) The health insurance mark does not possess unique characteristics to justify a mandate. Characterizing the refusal to purchase health insurance as a regulatable economic activity would violate “the non-infinity principle” (a Kopel/Reynolds term, not the court’s) that the commerce clause does not give Congress the power over almost everything.

If it has the power to compelan otherwise passive individual into a commercial transaction with a third partymerely by asserting — as was done in the Act — that compelling the actualtransaction is itself “commercial and economic in nature, and substantially affectsinterstate commerce” [see Act § 1501(a)(1)], it is not hyperbolizing to suggest thatCongress could do almost anything it wanted. It is difficult to imagine that a nationwhich began, at least in part, as the result of opposition to a British mandate givingthe East India Company a monopoly and imposing a nominal tax on all tea sold inAmerica would have set out to create a government with the power to force people to buy tea in the first place. If Congress can penalize a passive individual for failingto engage in commerce, the enumeration of powers in the Constitution would havebeen in vain for it would be “difficult to perceive any limitation on federal power” [Lopez, supra, 514 U.S. at 564], and we would have a Constitution in name only. Surely this is not what the Founding Fathers could have intended. See id. at 592 (quoting Hamilton at the New York Convention that there would be just cause to reject the Constitution if it would allow the federal government to “penetrate therecesses of domestic life, and control, in all respects, the private conduct ofindividuals”) (Thomas, J., concurring).
3. Necessary & proper does not save the mandate. The mandate fails at least 2 of the 5 factors from Comstock. Necessary and proper is not an independent source of power, but rather an authorization of additional means for ends which are themselves among the enumerated powers.

4. The mandate is not severable from the health control act. Defendants themselves have argued forcefully that the mandate is absolutely essential to the entire regulatory scheme. There is no severability clause. The mandate is tightly integrated into the entire act.

5. No injunction. Declaratory relief is sufficient, especially since there is a presumption that the federal government will comply with judicial decisions.

6. The entire act is declared void.
 
This could be a great thing for progressives. NO liberal Democrats wanted the individual mandate, which is a Republican idea the Heritage Foundation created. The House passed a bill with a public option, the Senate had 2 bills, one with and one without. But, the public option was nixed by conservative Democrats and the Senator from Aetna, Low LIEberman...

The individual mandate is the only way private insurance cartels can accept the measures ALL Americans agree on, no preexisting conditions, no canceled policies, no denied coverage and 80 cents of every dollar having to go to medical treatments.

It will be interesting to see how Republicans twist in the wind when their true priorities are endangered...huge profits for insurance cartels and fucking the people..
 
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This could be a great thing for progressives. The House passed a bill with a public option, the Senate had 2 bills, one with and one without. The public option was nixed by conservative Democrats and the Senator from Aetna, LIEberman...

The individual mandate is the only way private insurance cartels can accept the measures ALL Americans agree on, no preexisting conditions, no canceled policies, no denied coverage and 80 cents of every dollar having to go to medical treatments.

It will be interesting to see how Republicans twist in the wind when their true priorities are endangered...huge profits for insurance cartels and fuck the people.

obama's plan gives uber profits to insurance companies jack wagon
 
Considering the current political makeup and the forecasted economy. The "public options" boat has sailed nad wont be seen for at least 6 years.
 
obama's plan gives uber profits to insurance companies jack wagon

That's because Democrats passed a Republican bill. If the courts rule it unconstitutional, the progressives will get what they passed in the first place...a public option.

Obama is not a progressive or a liberal...
 
That's because Democrats passed a Republican bill. If the courts rule it unconstitutional, the progressives will get what they passed in the first place...a public option.

Obama is not a progressive or a liberal...

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yeah, it was the republicans who wanted the mandate and the h/c bill

you're a hoot
 
This could be a great thing for progressives. NO liberal Democrats wanted the individual mandate, which is a Republican idea the Heritage Foundation created. The House passed a bill with a public option, the Senate had 2 bills, one with and one without. But, the public option was nixed by conservative Democrats and the Senator from Aetna, Low LIEberman...

The individual mandate is the only way private insurance cartels can accept the measures ALL Americans agree on, no preexisting conditions, no canceled policies, no denied coverage and 80 cents of every dollar having to go to medical treatments.

It will be interesting to see how Republicans twist in the wind when their true priorities are endangered...huge profits for insurance cartels and fucking the people..
The Public Option

The health care bills passed by three House committees and the Senate health committee over the summer of 2009 all included a public option. The bill passed in the Senate Finance Committee by its Democratic chairman, Max Baucus of Montana, did not.

The House Bill

On Nov. 7, the House passed its health reform by the narrow margin of 220-215. The vote came only after Speaker Nancy Pelosi agreed to weaken the public option provisions.

The Senate Bill

In late November, the Senate began work on a bill proposed by the majority leader, Harry Reid of Nevada, that was a combination of the two committee bills. It included a public option that would allow states to choose not to take part in it — a so-called "opt out.''

In December, as the Senate began consideration of the bill, Mr. Reid convened a group of five liberal and five conservative Democratic senators to seek common ground on the public option.
On Dec. 24, the Senate passed Mr. Reid's bill -- without a public option -- on a straight party line vote.

In January 2010, Mr. Reid and Ms. Pelosi began negotiations on blending their bills. It quickly became apparent that the public option was not likely to survive in a final bill because it would lose the support of the conservative Democrats who had demanded Mr. Reid drop it.

NOTICE..Republicans had nothing to do it from start to finish....
 
This could be a great thing for progressives. NO liberal Democrats wanted the individual mandate, which is a Republican idea the Heritage Foundation created. The House passed a bill with a public option, the Senate had 2 bills, one with and one without. But, the public option was nixed by conservative Democrats and the Senator from Aetna, Low LIEberman...

The individual mandate is the only way private insurance cartels can accept the measures ALL Americans agree on, no preexisting conditions, no canceled policies, no denied coverage and 80 cents of every dollar having to go to medical treatments.

It will be interesting to see how Republicans twist in the wind when their true priorities are endangered...huge profits for insurance cartels and fucking the people..
The only interesting twist I see is your lies....

Your attempt to spin the "individual mandate" crap as something supported by the Republicans is not just a mis-characterization of the truth, but a downright lie.....

While its true that some conservatives and Republicans championed an individual mandate as part of a broader package of reforms (such as ending preferential tax treatment of employer-provided insurance),... others on the Right have always been opposed. So, for instance, when some Congressional Republicans introduced health reform legislation based upon the Heritage Foundation’s proposal, the Cato Institute published a paper by Tom Miller (now a health care analyst at the American Enterprise Institute) attacking the idea.

So the truth of the matter is...the individual mandate in not a part of Obamas healthcare bill because of Republicans, but in spite of Republicans...it was his attempt to get Republican support for his bill and it obviously failed miserably....No Republicans voted for his Healthcare bill.....
Republicans had NO INPUT to the final drafting of what was written into the 2200 pages of bullshit....its the Dems baby from conception to birth...

http://volokh.com/2010/03/29/was-the-individual-mandate-a-republican-idea/
 
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yeah, it was the republicans who wanted the mandate and the h/c bill

you're a hoot

Waterloo

by David Frum - former speechwriter for George W. Bush

At the beginning of this process we made a strategic decision: unlike, say, Democrats in 2001 when President Bush proposed his first tax cut, we would make no deal with the administration. No negotiations, no compromise, nothing. We were going for all the marbles. This would be Obama’s Waterloo – just as healthcare was Clinton’s in 1994.

Only, the hardliners overlooked a few key facts: Obama was elected with 53% of the vote, not Clinton’s 42%. The liberal block within the Democratic congressional caucus is bigger and stronger than it was in 1993-94. And of course the Democrats also remember their history, and also remember the consequences of their 1994 failure.

This time, when we went for all the marbles, we ended with none.

Could a deal have been reached? Who knows? But we do know that the gap between this plan and traditional Republican ideas is not very big. The Obama plan has a broad family resemblance to Mitt Romney’s Massachusetts plan. It builds on ideas developed at the Heritage Foundation in the early 1990s that formed the basis for Republican counter-proposals to Clintoncare in 1993-1994.

Barack Obama badly wanted Republican votes for his plan. Could we have leveraged his desire to align the plan more closely with conservative views? To finance it without redistributive taxes on productive enterprise – without weighing so heavily on small business – without expanding Medicaid? Too late now. They are all the law.
http://www.frumforum.com/waterloo

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The Democrats basically passed the 1993 Republican health care proposal. That includes a BIG Republican idea...THE INDIVIDUAL MANDATE
http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/Graphics/2010/022310-Bill-comparison.aspx

Republican support for the individual mandate policy goes back further than this health care reform discussion. Earlier this month, Julie Rovner profiled a history of the policy dating back to the 1980′s

In fact, says Len Nichols of the New America Foundation, the individual mandate was originally a Republican idea. “It was invented by Mark Pauly to give to George Bush Sr. back in the day, as a competition to the employer mandate focus of the Democrats at the time.”…

“We called this responsible national health insurance,” says Pauly. “There was a kind of an ethical and moral support for the notion that people shouldn’t be allowed to free-ride on the charity of fellow citizens.”

The policy was originally included in many Republican proposals including the proposals during the Clinton administration. The leading GOP alternative plan known as the 1994 Consumer Choice Health Security Act included the requirement to purchase insurance. Further, this proposal was based off of a 1990 Heritage Foundation proposal outlined a quality health system where “government would require, by law every head of household to acquire at least a basic health plan for his or her family.”

http://dcprogressive.org/2010/03/08/history-republicans-supporting-mandate/
 
The only interesting twist I see is your lies....

Your attempt to spin the "individual mandate" crap as something supported by the Republicans is not just a mis-characterization of the truth, but a downright lie.....

While its true that some conservatives and Republicans championed an individual mandate as part of a broader package of reforms (such as ending preferential tax treatment of employer-provided insurance),... others on the Right have always been opposed. So, for instance, when some Congressional Republicans introduced health reform legislation based upon the Heritage Foundation’s proposal, the Cato Institute published a paper by Tom Miller (now a health care analyst at the American Enterprise Institute) attacking the idea.

So the truth of the matter is...the individual mandate in not a part of Obamas healthcare bill because of Republicans, but in spite of Republicans...it was his attempt to get Republican support for his bill and it obviously failed miserably....No Republicans voted for his Healthcare bill.....
Republicans had NO INPUT to the final drafting of what was written into the 2200 pages of bullshit....its the Dems baby from conception to birth...

http://volokh.com/2010/03/29/was-the-individual-mandate-a-republican-idea/

How MANY times do we have to go over this for pea brain morons like YOU Bravo?

The 'Individual Mandate' was the Republican's counter proposal to an 'employer mandate' Democrats proposed during the Clinton health care debate.

Republicans never planned on drafting or participating in crafting a health care bill. Their ONLY plan was OBSTRUCTION and 'insurgency'


David Frum - former speechwriter for George W. Bush

"At the beginning of this process we made a strategic decision: unlike, say, Democrats in 2001 when President Bush proposed his first tax cut, we would make no deal with the administration. No negotiations, no compromise, nothing. We were going for all the marbles. This would be Obama’s Waterloo – just as healthcare was Clinton’s in 1994."
 
Waterloo

by David Frum - former speechwriter for George W. Bush

At the beginning of this process we made a strategic decision: unlike, say, Democrats in 2001 when President Bush proposed his first tax cut, we would make no deal with the administration. No negotiations, no compromise, nothing. We were going for all the marbles. This would be Obama’s Waterloo – just as healthcare was Clinton’s in 1994.

Only, the hardliners overlooked a few key facts: Obama was elected with 53% of the vote, not Clinton’s 42%. The liberal block within the Democratic congressional caucus is bigger and stronger than it was in 1993-94. And of course the Democrats also remember their history, and also remember the consequences of their 1994 failure.

This time, when we went for all the marbles, we ended with none.

Could a deal have been reached? Who knows? But we do know that the gap between this plan and traditional Republican ideas is not very big. The Obama plan has a broad family resemblance to Mitt Romney’s Massachusetts plan. It builds on ideas developed at the Heritage Foundation in the early 1990s that formed the basis for Republican counter-proposals to Clintoncare in 1993-1994.

Barack Obama badly wanted Republican votes for his plan. Could we have leveraged his desire to align the plan more closely with conservative views? To finance it without redistributive taxes on productive enterprise – without weighing so heavily on small business – without expanding Medicaid? Too late now. They are all the law.
http://www.frumforum.com/waterloo
Nice song dance routine sonny....but we all know you're peddeling bullshit again....you gotta learn to tap dance like Maineman used to...

You got it right as far as this goes....
Barack Obama badly wanted Republican votes for his plan, thats why the DEMOCRATS PUT THE INDIVIDUAL MANDATE INTO THE BILL...

It didn't work...no Republican votes....you just can't post some lefties opinion about it and call it fact...it ain't fact....
The Heritage Foundation is NOT the Republican Party despite your opinion.
 
How MANY times do we have to go over this for pea brain morons like YOU Bravo?

The 'Individual Mandate' was the Republican's counter proposal to an 'employer mandate' Democrats proposed during the Clinton health care debate.

Republicans never planned on drafting or participating in crafting a health care bill. Their ONLY plan was OBSTRUCTION and 'insurgency'


David Frum - former speechwriter for George W. Bush

"At the beginning of this process we made a strategic decision: unlike, say, Democrats in 2001 when President Bush proposed his first tax cut, we would make no deal with the administration. No negotiations, no compromise, nothing. We were going for all the marbles. This would be Obama’s Waterloo – just as healthcare was Clinton’s in 1994."

Well, its like this sonny.....
its not 1993.....
Clinton is not the president.....
the HC bill we are discussing is Obamas
the HC bill debated 18 years ago is not the present bill...
and Everything in the present comes from Democrats....
There was no Republican input....

What was talked about 18 years ago is not relevant and if it was anything like whats in Obamas bill can be argued about....


While its true that some conservatives and Republicans championed an individual mandate as part of a broader package of reforms (such as ending preferential tax treatment of employer-provided insurance),... others on the Right have always been opposed. So, for instance, when some Congressional Republicans introduced health reform legislation based upon the Heritage Foundation’s proposal(early 1990's), the Cato Institute published a paper by Tom Miller (now a health care analyst at the American Enterprise Institute) attacking the idea.

It was opposed then and now.
 
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Nice song dance routine sonny....but we all know you're peddeling bullshit again....you gotta learn to tap dance like Maineman used to...

You got it right as far as this goes....
Barack Obama badly wanted Republican votes for his plan, thats why the DEMOCRATS PUT THE INDIVIDUAL MANDATE INTO THE BILL...

It didn't work...no Republican votes....you just can't post some lefties opinion about it and call it fact...it ain't fact....
The Heritage Foundation is NOT the Republican Party despite your opinion.

Do you own a calendar you little moron? Does 1993 precede 2010?

In 1993 Republicans proposed as law the individual mandate 17 years before Democrats were forced to when conservative Democrats nixed the public option.

Funny that the Heritage Foundation supported the individual mandate in Republican Governor Mitt Romney's Mass heath care law..
 
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