Health Care Is Not A Right!

Rune said:
There is no right that allows an entity to take one's home for lack of paying medical bills.

You are playing silly semantic word games that you don't even understand.

Entitlements are payed for during the recipients working life.

By what standard is there no "right" to healthcare? Does it not exist as a right simply because it is not directly enumerated in the Constitution, despite being indirectly enumerated multiple times? No. Th Constitution is not the origin of rights. It just records a few of them.

Healthcare is a natural right as society exists today. As it was at the time of the founders. Then it was such a given that a Dr. would present services that it didn't need to be written down.

By the way Reagan made it a right.

Do you honestly believe that a law cannot be made granting a right?

Honestly, it is like explaining things to a pre-teenager.
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Let's take your 'logic' for a ride lol.

Suppose instead of not carrying health insurance I choose not to carry collision on my car insurance. Then let's say a tree falls on it.

Shouldn't I have the same 'right' to have my car towed to the body shop and fixed?

Is it simply a matter of getting enough people to agree with or getting a judge to rule in my favor?
 
domer76 said:
He asked for a quote, you fucking moron. I gave him the reference. Here are some quotes from Jefferson, basically saying each generation should not be bound the the ideas of a previous, dead one.

"Every constitution, then, and every law, naturally expires at the end of nineteen years. If it be enforced longer, it is an act of force, and not of right. It may be said, that the succeeding generation exercising, in fact, the power of repeal, this leaves them as free as if the constitution or law had been expressly limited to nineteen years only."

"Each generation is as independent as the one preceding, as that was of all which had gone before. It has then, like them, a right to choose for itself the form of government it believes most promotive of its own happiness; consequently, to accommodate to the circumstances in which it finds itself that received from its predecessors;"

"Forty years [after a] Constitution... was formed,... two-thirds of the adults then living are... dead. Have, then, the remaining third, even if they had the wish, the right to hold in obedience to their will and to laws heretofore made by them, the other two-thirds who with themselves compose the present mass of adults? If they have not, who has? The dead? But the dead have no rights. They are nothing, and nothing can not own something. Where there is no substance, there can be no accident [i.e., attribute]."
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he also said that there should be a revolution every 20 years. should we do that?
 
Rune said:
a moral or legal entitlement to have or obtain something or to act in a certain way.

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people


do you even understand the 9th?
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I understand the 9th very well. YOU don't apparently understand the difference between whats right and what IS a right.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
lets test your stupid assed theory

so I can go in to any grocery store or restaurant with my openly carried handgun because they let cops open carry there. thanks. same with courthouses??????

I would LOVE to go around with my sawed off shotgun. the problem isn't mine, its YOU!!!!!! because your COWARDICE of people with guns prompts you to BEG the government to keep us away from you. hence, you happily surrender not only YOUR right to do so, but those of us who are NOT cowards. it is YOUR ISSUE, you fucking underwear stripe.
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Yep, you are a true moron.

Can you carry your weapon into a courthouse because cops can? You are the dumbest motherfucker in the goddam world. As you put it, "let's test your stupid assed theory" that you can. DO IT, YOU PUSSY MOTHERFUCKER! Put your fucking money where your fucked up concepts of rights are. You won't, though. PUSSIES never do.

The public accommodation concept is too complicated for you to comprehend.

Dismissed, asshole.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
the REASON it doesn't make any sense to you is that you apparently do not have the cognitive recognition of who wrote the constitution and who did so with recognition of what rights people do have. the COURT didn't write the constitution. the GOVERNMENT did not write the constitution. WE THE PEOPLE wrote the constitution and did NOT give the courts any power to change what our rights are, though you liberals and socialists seemed way intent on doing as much.
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Right. The government isn't the people.

What an ignorant cunt.
 
domer76 said:
Yep, you are a true moron.

Can you carry your weapon into a courthouse because cops can? You are the dumbest motherfucker in the goddam world. As you put it, "let's test your stupid assed theory" that you can. DO IT, YOU PUSSY MOTHERFUCKER! Put your fucking money where your fucked up concepts of rights are. You won't, though. PUSSIES never do.

The public accommodation concept is too complicated for you to comprehend.

Dismissed, asshole.
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make sure you buy new knee pads every week, gov sucker
 
Darth Omar said:
It depends how you define 'healthcare' lol.

If you're in a car wreck and come to the ER with an open femur fracture, you have every right to 'healthcare' regardless of your ability to pay.

A total joint replacement for your arthritic hip? Not so much.
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Many seniors are going to their doctors two, sometimes three times a week. The system is being abused.

What can a doctor do besides write you a prescription then call him/her if your symptoms don't improve. If you're that sick, then the doctor puts you in the hospital.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
so you can go to walmart and demand your right to take a dvd as your right??????


keep increasing your idiocy. it's amusing, government stooge.
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Things not frivolous: health care, gun ownership, food, housing, education, religious liberty, privacy, property ownership

Things that are frivolous: dvds, Ferraris, your arguments

Your passion is real, obviously, but your arguments are close to retarded.
 
domer76 said:
When the Constitution was drafted, small pox, diphtheria and yellow fever were rampant. One treatment for small pox was a concoction of “rub, sage, mint, rosemary, wormwood, and lavender,” combined in “white-wine vinegar. Other remedies included bleeding the patient so that "good blood" could replace the "bad blood". Newspapers, not doctors, were the most common way to communicate cures. There was no notion of germ theory. People died young and birth mortality was high.

So, don't gives us any bullshit comparison of the 18th century to the 21st century on this issue. It doesn't fly.
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Require a twenty dollar co pay every time someone uses medicare and you will discover an amazing decline in doctor visits. Suddenly, people wont be as sick as they claim they are.

Healthcare became an entitlement because of medicare and medicaid and too many people have been abusing it. It is not necessary to go to a doctor two or three times a week. The growing monster wont stop growing, but a co pay will save billions of dollars on unnecessary doctor visits.
 
Rune said:
Indeed it was
argumentum ad absurdum but you said it not me.

If you don't think the government can make laws which confer legal rights then you need some remedial studies in both English and Civics.
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There's a lot of waste and abuse in entitlement healthcare. It's also not as efficient as the capitalist version [if the VA is any indication].

Trump was amusingly correct when he said nobody understands how complicated it is. I work in it and see things every day that isn't cost effective. For example, my hospital had to buy all of these 60 inch TV's [so everyone can know the status of each patient] to put all over the OR suite in order to comply with Medicare.

And nobody looks at the stupid things. It's insane.

That's only one example.
 
Micawber said:
No we didn't. Even they the people didn't. And certainly we didn't, unless you are 250 years old.

Adams, Jay, Jefferson, Franklin and maybe George through in a line or two.
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jesus fucking christ. how the hell do you morons live on a daily basis with such stupidity? what does the preamble state?

WE THE PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!! WE THE PEOPLE had to vote and ratify it.

who the fuck do YOU think wrote the constitution?
 
the total fucking stupidity on display by the leftists in this arena is so damned astounding. it's completely unreal. good god, we're fucking gone as a nation with you idiots running around out here spewing your statist viewpoints.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
the total fucking stupidity on display by the leftists in this arena is so damned astounding. it's completely unreal. good god, we're fucking gone as a nation with you idiots running around out here spewing your statist viewpoints.
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The feeling is mutual brother.

Your side elected a clown .. and you're talking about stupidity. :0)
 
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