Gun violence shouldn't be politicized by either side

[Nordberg]

Then stop politicizing it.

It is a problem that can only be solved politically. Can you understand mass shootings are big stories? Are you blind enough to think ignoring them will solve the problem? If so you are shallower than I thought possible for a human being. Your superficiality has been apparent in many subjects. Now we add another.
In fact, we should show the bodies of those shot in mass murders so we actually understand the problem. The kids in Sandy Hook had to be identified via DNA because their little kid bodies were unrecognizable. That is the reality, not politics. This is what Emmet Tills mother did.

 

[Into the Night]

Typical Right winger - full of certainty about the law; couldn't give you a case if his life depended on it.

The idea behind protecting militias with a citizen Constitutional right was to defend the national government; the Founders saw a standing army as an inherent danger to the government. Try reading books instead of comic strips and blogs for your history education. You can use Google though to educate yourself on the Second Amendment. “Heller 2008” is enough to get you there.

You are denying and discarding the Constitution of the United States again.
Redefinition fallacy (militia<->citizen). You don't get to speak for the dead. Omniscience fallacy. Google is not God.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

This discusses TWO related rights, not one. The right of a State to defend itself (by forming and using militias), and the right of the individual to defend himself (by keeping and bearing Arms, meaning weapon. ANY type of weapon).

This amendment does not make one dependent on the other. This amendment does not limit any gun by type of action, size of caliber, size of magazine, brand name, or how it looks. The Constitution of the United States is the ONLY authoritative reference of the Constitution of the United States.

 

[Into the Night]

is there a reason why YOU don't know the cases? right, your handlers keep you ignorant.


or you can read the senate committee on the right to bear arms from 1982. Or you can read the numerous state and federal court cases from before Heller.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_firearm_court_cases_in_the_United_States

or you can actually read the founders comments regarding their right to keep and bear arms......

Irrelevant. The ONLY authoritative reference of the Constitution of the United States is the Constitution of the United States.

 

[Into the Night]

None of the cases in your link established an individual right. Only Heller does. You might have an excuse not having an education in the law but you forfeit if with your adamant ignorance.

No court has authority to change the Constitution of the United States.

 

[Into the Night]

The kids at Sandy Hook were identified by DNA. The weapons we allow people to buy shredded those kids. The news should have shown what the kids were like. Then we would be starting with knowledge. The reality should be shown clearly and then we can discuss why those weapons of war do not belong in citizens' hands.

They do. Sandy Hook is one of the reasons why. Unfortunately, there was no one to stop them in that case for several minutes.

Let teachers carry guns.

 

[Into the Night]

Gun powder is an explosive- It is dangerous!

I assume you mean black powder. Most guns use nitrated cotton now for their propellent. Treat both with due respect.

It's purchase and use must be regulated.

Nah. I just make the stuff. It's really pretty easy. It's cheaper than buying it. I make both black powder and nitrated cotton.

This is common knowledge. Or, At the very least, IT SHOULD BE!

You don't get to speak for everyone. You only get to speak for you. Obviously you have no idea behind the chemistry of either black powder or nitrated cotton (gun cotton).

It doesn't matter if the gun powder comes in the form of Dynamite.

Dynamite does not contain black powder or nitrated cotton.

Bullets,

Bullets contain no explosive. They are usually lead castings, or lead plated with copper or brass. There are some plated with aluminum.

Fireworks.

Black powder is used in fireworks. Nitrated cotton is not.

or handmade bombs- All is a danger to society- IF NOT REGULATED.

A fireworks salute is a handmade bomb. I make them all the time. Yes, they should be treated with due respect.

Since you fear explosives, you shouldn't be driving on any roads made by them, using any coins (made with explosives!), or use any product containing copper, plastic, rare earth, iron, steel, aluminum, gravel, asphalt, or rubber. ALL depend on explosives.

If you miss this concept- We have deeper problems! Our problem is no longer just the things that make our society unsafe- OUR PROBLEM IS NOW STUPIDITY AND IGNORANCE FOR NOT UNDERSTANDING THIS VERY SIMPLE CONCEPT!!

So carry a gun.

Stupidity is what now is making us unsafe!

So carry a gun.

 

[Into the Night]

the problem is that you're not identifying the actual stupidity, which is that of believing that government and regulations make you safer. they do not, or we would be the safest fucking nation on the planet.

Bingo.

 

[Into the Night]

We are not the safest nation on the planet for one reason- GUN VIOLENCE IS DESTROYING OUR FREEDOMS HERE- Like attending church, attending school, going out to a night club, attending a concert or movie house, or simply buying groceries or watching a 4th of July parade without the fear of being gunned down by a GUNTARD who got all emotional after watching FOX NEWS!

So carry a gun.

 

[Into the Night]

Has nothing to do with being a coward- has to do with my personal preference!

Hoplophobia and Agoraphobia is your personal preference.
No thanks. I carry a gun.

 

[Into the Night]

It is a problem that can only be solved politically. Can you understand mass shootings are big stories? Are you blind enough to think ignoring them will solve the problem? If so you are shallower than I thought possible for a human being. Your superficiality has been apparent in many subjects. Now we add another.
In fact, we should show the bodies of those shot in mass murders so we actually understand the problem. The kids in Sandy Hook had to be identified via DNA because their little kid bodies were unrecognizable. That is the reality, not politics. This is what Emmet Tills mother did.

So carry a gun. Allow the teachers to carry a gun.

 

[Into the Night]

It is a problem that can only be solved politically. Can you understand mass shootings are big stories? Are you blind enough to think ignoring them will solve the problem? If so you are shallower than I thought possible for a human being. Your superficiality has been apparent in many subjects. Now we add another.
In fact, we should show the bodies of those shot in mass murders so we actually understand the problem. The kids in Sandy Hook had to be identified via DNA because their little kid bodies were unrecognizable. That is the reality, not politics. This is what Emmet Tills mother did.

So you don't want to politicize shootings, then you try to justify politicizing shootings. You are locked in paradox. You are being irrational.

 

[Taichiliberal]

The country is too partisan anyway. Why is an issue like this such that as soon as there is a new incident, we hear one side or the other, blaming the other side?

That kind of knee-jerk reaction is really preventing an honest dialogue on this problem. And it's now a huge problem. Things weren't always like this in America. Mass shootings like the ones we see so regularly used to be much more rare.

It's a symptom of something much deeper - and more complex than the characterization we see from the typical partisan reactions. We have a sickness as a nation, and we need to figure out what it is.

Here's the thing; EVERYTHING IS POLITICAL! That's how our laws are made. Corruption, unfortunately, seems unavoidable....and money in the form of "contributions" and "donations" is a potent corrupter. Add that on to human greed, pride, fear and stubbornness, and the result is what we see today. That's the only rational explanation I can come up with regarding the insanity surrounding our "pro-gun" constituents.

 

[Nordberg]

So carry a gun. Allow the teachers to carry a gun.

Allow the kids to pick up guns on the way into school and drop them off on the way home. How could we possibly be any safer?

 

[Nordberg]

Here's the thing; EVERYTHING IS POLITICAL! That's how our laws are made. Corruption, unfortunately, seems unavoidable....and money in the form of "contributions" and "donations" is a potent corrupter. Add that on to human greed, pride, fear and stubbornness, and the result is what we see today. That's the only rational explanation I can come up with regarding the insanity surrounding our "pro-gun" constituents.

It was the lobbying power of gun manufacturers that made this mess. According to Waren Burger Chief Justice of The Supreme Court
The gun lobbyists interpretation of the second amendment is one of the greatest pieces of fraud "I repeat the word fraud" on the American people by special interest groups that I have seen in my lifetime.
The real purpose of the 2nd Amendment was to insure that state armies,the militia, would be maintained for the defense of the state. The very language of the 2nd amendment refutes any argument that it was intended to guarantee every citizen an unfettered right to any kind of weapon he or she desires.,

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
Here's the thing; EVERYTHING IS POLITICAL! That's how our laws are made. Corruption, unfortunately, seems unavoidable....and money in the form of "contributions" and "donations" is a potent corrupter. Add that on to human greed, pride, fear and stubbornness, and the result is what we see today. That's the only rational explanation I can come up with regarding the insanity surrounding our "pro-gun" constituents.

It was the lobbying power of gun manufacturers that made this mess. According to Waren Burger Chief Justice of The Supreme Court
The gun lobbyists interpretation of the second amendment is one of the greatest pieces of fraud "I repeat the word fraud" on the American people by special interest groups that I have seen in my lifetime.
The real purpose of the 2nd Amendment was to insure that state armies,the militia, would be maintained for the defense of the state. The very language of the 2nd amendment refutes any argument that it was intended to guarantee every citizen an unfettered right to any kind of weapon he or she desires.,

Amen to that!

 

[Nordberg]

So you don't want to politicize shootings, then you try to justify politicizing shootings. You are locked in paradox. You are being irrational.

When did I say I do not want to? That is the thread premise. I said the opposite. Put some effort in.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

It was the lobbying power of gun manufacturers that made this mess. According to Waren Burger Chief Justice of The Supreme Court
The gun lobbyists interpretation of the second amendment is one of the greatest pieces of fraud "I repeat the word fraud" on the American people by special interest groups that I have seen in my lifetime.
The real purpose of the 2nd Amendment was to insure that state armies,the militia, would be maintained for the defense of the state. The very language of the 2nd amendment refutes any argument that it was intended to guarantee every citizen an unfettered right to any kind of weapon he or she desires.,

one lone justice is not the final arbiter of the 2nd Amendment, especially when, as a federal agent, the Amendment specifically removes any authority from him over it.