Greg Abbott Silent as Electric Power Grid Operator Urges Texans To Turn Off Appliance

[ExpressLane]

Blame it on the lack of Nuclear plants, too high wind speed which necessitates the shutting down of wind turbines, and the influx is asshole Californians who fled their state for the same reasons.

And the influx of illegal aliens.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

AGAIN Wind increases instability of the system because wind does not always blow. The more Texas has replaced fossil fuel generation with wind generation the less stable the grid has become. The reason wind is working for SD and ND is because they rely on other forms of generation from other states for when wind isn't generating. Texas is too large for that.

So.. let's see if you can explain why this is?

ND, SD, IA, KS, CO, NE, OK combined -
40% of their net generated power is from wind. 144 GwH out of 359 Gwh used.
48.251 Gwh turbines installed
They have a combined population of 19.69 million people.

TX
20% of net generated power is from wind - 100 Gwh out of 500 Gwh used.
36.808 Gwh turbines installed
TX has a population of 30.09 million people.
https://windexchange.energy.gov/states/tx

If wind introduces instability into the system, which of the 2 groups should have the most instability? TX or the 7 states?

Why is TX too large to rely on other states? It is less area than the 7 states in the group that relies on twice the percentage of wind as TX does. All I am seeing is TX isn't capable of planning for any problems and then blames wind when it is the planners fault. Wind certainly seems to be working fine for the 7 states I listed.

https://windexchange.energy.gov/states/tx

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

And the influx of illegal aliens.

Is that the next excuse? Illegal aliens are stealing TX power?

 

[ExpressLane]

Is that the next excuse? Illegal aliens are stealing TX power?

They sure as hell use it. The idiot think illegal aliens don't use electricity

 

[cancel2 2022]

LOL.. Oh.. so who is subsidizing this electricity so the users don't have to pay for it?
The cost of laying transmission cables is included in the electrical bill of the rate payers. The cost of building coal plants is paid for by the rate payer. The cost of building gas plants is paid for by the rate payer. The cost of putting up wind turbines is paid for by the rate payer.

Shouldn't you be telling us how fusion will be here in the next 5 years? Wind turbines are here now and they are producing cheap electricity. Cheaper than a new coal plant. And at a similar cost to combined cycle gas turbine when gas was cheap.

The transmission lines and baseload costs, which are usually very substantial, are rarely quoted when discussing wind and solar and for very good reason. Wind turbines tend to be in remote areas where there is little or no transmission infrastructure, that's extremely expensive but is hardly ever factored in when comparing costs.

 

[ExpressLane]

So.. let's see if you can explain why this is?

ND, SD, IA, KS, CO, NE, OK combined -
40% of their net generated power is from wind. 144 GwH out of 359 Gwh used.
48.251 Gwh turbines installed
They have a combined population of 19.69 million people.

TX
20% of net generated power is from wind - 100 Gwh out of 500 Gwh used.
36.808 Gwh turbines installed
TX has a population of 30.09 million people.
https://windexchange.energy.gov/states/tx

If wind introduces instability into the system, which of the 2 groups should have the most instability? TX or the 7 states?

Why is TX too large to rely on other states? It is less area than the 7 states in the group that relies on twice the percentage of wind as TX does. All I am seeing is TX isn't capable of planning for any problems and then blames wind when it is the planners fault. Wind certainly seems to be working fine for the 7 states I listed.

https://windexchange.energy.gov/states/tx

Nope your number is incorrect

 

[ExpressLane]

Nope your number is incorrect

ND and SD are part of a 20 state grid not part of a 7 state grid. Get your facts straight and get back to me.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

The transmission lines and baseload costs, which are usually very substantial, are rarely quoted when discussing wind and solar and for very good reason.

Yeah, because the rate payers don't pay it?

It is built directly into the price paid by the rate payers. What the rate payers are paying are not hypothetical. It includes ALL COSTS you claim aren't included. If we accept that the cost is substantial then ND should have much higher rates since with 40% of it's power coming from wind the transmission lines and baseload costs should drive the cost up substantially. Yet for some reason it isn't. I wonder why? Either you don't know what you are talking about or the power companies in ND are losing money and not telling anyone. Hmm....... which could it possibly be?

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

ND and SD are part of a 20 state grid not part of a 7 state grid. Get your facts straight and get back to me.

Yeah.. And yet those 20 states are somehow so small that TX can't be part of a multi-state grid? Do you ever bother to consider your arguments before you prove your previous argument was bullshit?

 

[cancel2 2022]

They sure as hell use it. The idiot think illegal aliens don't use electricity

Poor Dick is a bellend, and not even funny at that.

 

[Noking]

Poor Dick is a bellend, and not even funny at that.

Sure a brilliant reply from the Lord of Cretins.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

Nope your number is incorrect

LOL... OK. provide a source that gives net generation that you think is more accurate than the EIA.
The 20% number is for the entire year of 2021 according to EIA.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

Poor Dick is a bellend, and not even funny at that.

So you can't refute my data so resort to name calling. Seems about your level of intelligence.

 

[cancel2 2022]

So you can't refute my data so resort to name calling. Seems about your level of intelligence.

Idiot, I've walked all over you but you're too dense to see it.

 

[ExpressLane]

Idiot, I've walked all over you but you're too dense to see it.

Indeed . He has footprints all over his face.

 

[ExpressLane]

It's 105 degrees outside and we are in a peak demand time . Wind is currently generating 5,859 MW of its 33,000MW capacitance....yeah . I guess fossil fuels will have to pick up the 27,000 MW slack....again.

 

[ExpressLane]

Now we are down to 3,811 MW wind generation out of 33,000 MW installed capacity during peak usage time.. yeah

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

Idiot, I've walked all over you but you're too dense to see it.

Real life facts about US energy production vs your fantasies. Yeah.. somehow there is some magic subsidy that is keeping rates low in 7 states that use wind but you can't tell us what that subsidy is......

Your boots weren't made for walking.

 

[Into the Night]

Clearly you know nothing about wind turbines and how they work in ND, SD, and Iowa. They work just fine in freezing conditions.

Nope. Operating a wind turbine in icing conditions will cause an imbalance on the blades, and cause catastrophic loss of the entire machine. Debris from such a catastrophic failure such as this can be thrown a mile away.

Every year since 2000 Iowa has produce more Gwh of electricity from wind in December and January than they did in June and July.

Not every day in winter is icing conditions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_power_in_Iowa

No, you can't use Wikipedia as a reference.

But feel free to argue that you know more than the electrical utilities in Iowa. It's what you do.

It seem that I do.

If coal is so cheap then why does West Virginia have electric prices that are higher than Iowa.

It doesn't.

Iowa gets 57% of its power from wind

No. Iowa gets most of it's power from coal and natural gas. wind accounts for only 26% of total energy produced in Iowa, assuming all the wind turbines are operating at full capacity (rare). Source: US Energy Administration.

West Virginia gets 88%of its power from coal

No. West Virginia gets most of it's power from natural gas, oil, and coal. Source: US Energy Administration

Shouldn't the power in West Virginia be significantly lower than Iowa if coal is so cheap?

It is.

https://paylesspower.com/blog/electric-rates-by-state/
https://www.nei.org/resources/statistics/state-electricity-generation-fuel-shares

False authority fallacies.

 

[Into the Night]

You're a real party pooper, do you know that?

You having a party???