Greg Abbott Silent as Electric Power Grid Operator Urges Texans To Turn Off Appliance

Poor Richard Saunders said:
LOL. I guess you don't know that SD is more than just Sioux Falls.
No, the SD grid wouldn't fry under the Texas heat. It would perform just fine. They have the capacity to produce more than enough electricity and if they can't they can buy from other states. It's called planning. Something Texans should try some time.
I didn't realize that wind turbines were required to water your garden.... Oh.. that's right.. more failure to plan by a Texan.
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You can't say that because SD has never had a summer as hot as Texas has had. NEVER IN RECORDED HISTORY. Texas plans more for heat than it does for extreme winter storms because extreme winter storms of the nature of 2020 have never happened. The storm exposed some failure points and those have been addressed. For example gas suppliers needed backup generation to keep gas supply to power plants flowing. Gas suppliers needed heaters on some equipment to prevent water in the lines from freezing. Generating plants needed heaters on some equipment for the same reason. The bottom line is there were fuel supply issues because of the prolonged sub freezing temperatures wind turbines shut down due to lack of wind and or rain then freezing which iced up their blades. If the fossil fuel plants had fuel they would have kept the grid stable and the wind turbines wouldn't have been an issue. But both failed. Now the fuel issues have been addressed. (We also had a HUGE transformer at the Comanche Peak nuke catch fire and put 1/2 of it down for a week or two. ) At the same time the gas supply was challenged Texans were cranking up their natural gas heating further starving the reduced gas supply to power plants.
 
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Poor Richard Saunders said:
California has a grid problem. Yes. Doesn't mean wind power is the most expensive source of electricity. it means that electric companies in California failed to do the proper planning. Just like the electric companies in Texas failed to do planning.
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But California has winds every year and the federally regulated grid failed. Texas had never seen this type of situation before.
 
ExpressLane said:
You can't say that because SD has never had a summer as hot as Texas has had. NEVER IN RECORDED HISTORY. Texas plans more for heat than it does for extreme winter storms because extreme winter storms of the nature of 2020 have never happened. The storm exposed some failure points and those have been addressed. For example gas suppliers needed backup generation to keep gas supply to power plants flowing. Gas suppliers needed heaters on some equipment to prevent water in the lines from freezing. Generating plants needed heaters on some equipment for the same reason. The bottom line is there were fuel supply issues because of the prolonged sub freezing temperatures wind turbines shut down due to lack of wind and or rain then freezing which iced up their blades. If the fossil fuel plants had fuel they would have kept the grid stable and the wind turbines wouldn't have been an issue. But both failed. Now the fuel issues have been addressed. (We also had a HUGE transformer at the Comanche Peak nuke catch fire and put 1/2 of it down for a week or two. ) At the same time the gas supply was challenged Texans were cranking up their natural gas heating further starving the reduced gas supply to power plants.
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So basically you have a bunch of excuses for the failure of Texas to plan... That's nice. Enjoy your next failures.
 
ExpressLane said:
But California has winds every year and the federally regulated grid failed. Texas had never seen this type of situation before.
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California's problem is transmission. They failed to upgrade their transmission lines for decades.

Texas just wanted to pretend that the warnings about climate change were "fake news." Failure to accept reality and plan on their part.
 
Poor Richard Saunders said:
So basically you have a bunch of excuses for the failure of Texas to plan... That's nice. Enjoy your next failures.
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It kind of hard to find failure points when those issues have never been issues before in Texas electric generating history. It's a bit like planning for a heat wave in Alaska. . Nobody puts AC in their homes in Alaska even though it occasionally gets hot.
 
Poor Richard Saunders said:
California's problem is transmission. They failed to upgrade their transmission lines for decades.

Texas just wanted to pretend that the warnings about climate change were "fake news." Failure to accept reality and plan on their part.
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So the federally regulated system didn't plan for or fix problems they have had for decades to prevent the winds from burning people to death. All at the same time charging them some of the highest energy rates in the country. And you are worried about a once in history storm in Texas.:thumbsup:
 
Poor Richard Saunders said:
California has a grid problem. Yes. Doesn't mean wind power is the most expensive source of electricity. it means that electric companies in California failed to do the proper planning. Just like the electric companies in Texas failed to do planning.
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Population of Texas over 30 million, population of South Dakota less than 860 thousand, population of North Dakota less that 775 thousand.
 
ExpressLane said:
So the federally regulated system didn't plan for or fix problems they have had for decades to prevent the winds from burning people to death. All at the same time charging them some of the highest energy rates in the country. And you are worried about a once in history storm in Texas.:thumbsup:
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Poor Dick has a hard-on and a wind problem.
 
Primavera said:
Population of Texas over 30 million, population of South Dakota less than 860 thousand, population of North Dakota less that 775 thousand.
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Population of SD, ND, KS, NE, IA, CO, OK combined - Over 19 million. And yet those states combined get over 35% of their power from wind, have relatively cheap electricity and don't have rolling blackouts.
 
ExpressLane said:
Exactly Texas has 33,133 MW of wind capacitance South Dakota has 2,305 MW. ND is about the size of El Paso.
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ND is a hell of a lot bigger than El Paso. Electricity needs transmission lines. ND needs a lot more transmission then El Paso. So they need to produce a more to allow for transmission losses. It's called planning!!
 
Poor Richard Saunders said:
ND is a hell of a lot bigger than El Paso. Electricity needs transmission lines. ND needs a lot more transmission then El Paso. So they need to produce a more to allow for transmission losses. It's called planning!!
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Are you seriously saying the 2nd largest state in the union doesn't need transmission lines. Heat also gobles up electricity. :magagrin:
 
Poor Richard Saunders said:
Population of SD, ND, KS, NE, IA, CO, OK combined - Over 19 million. And yet those states combined get over 35% of their power from wind, have relatively cheap electricity and don't have rolling blackouts.
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They have cheap heavily subsidised electricity, the overheads like maintaining a baseload and laying in transmission cables over difficult and mountainous terrain are rarely discussed and for very good reason. SMR nuclear will be rolling in next five years or so, why would anybody want to build a windfarm when one, or possibly two, molten sodium reactors can replace the lot. Especially when you consider just how dependent the West is on China to provide nickel, copper, lithium, cobalt, neodymium and praseodymium and dysprosium.
 
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Poor Richard Saunders said:
So, Texas problem is that they have more production that isn't wind? I wonder why you blame wind for the problems they are having then...
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AGAIN Wind increases instability of the system because wind does not always blow. The more Texas has replaced fossil fuel generation with wind generation the less stable the grid has become. The reason wind is working for SD and ND is because they rely on other forms of generation from other states for when wind isn't generating. Texas is too large for that.
 
PoliTalker said:
Sad how powerful propaganda is.

I wonder how they will blame it on Democrats / immigrants?
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Blame it on the lack of Nuclear plants, too high wind speed which necessitates the shutting down of wind turbines, and the influx is asshole Californians who fled their state for the same reasons.
 
Primavera said:
They have cheap heavily subsidised electricity, the overheads like maintaining a baseload and laying in transmission cables over difficult and mountainous terrain are rarely discussed and for very good reason. SMR nuclear will be rolling in next five years or so, why would anybody want to build a windfarm when one, or possibly two, molten sodium reactors can replace the lot. Especially when you consider just how dependent the West is on China to provide nickel, copper, lithium, cobalt, neodymium and praseodymium and dysprosium.
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:thumbsup: The left wants us dependent on wind and solar both manufacture in China .
 
Primavera said:
They have cheap heavily subsidised electricity, the overheads like maintaining a baseload and laying in transmission cables over difficult and mountainous terrain are rarely discussed and for very good reason. SMR nuclear will be rolling in next five years or so, why would anybody want to build a windfarm when one, or possibly two, molten sodium reactors can replace the lot. Especially when you consider just how dependent the West is on China to provide nickel, copper, lithium, cobalt, neodymium and praseodymium and dysprosium.
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LOL.. Oh.. so who is subsidizing this electricity so the users don't have to pay for it?
The cost of laying transmission cables is included in the electrical bill of the rate payers. The cost of building coal plants is paid for by the rate payer. The cost of building gas plants is paid for by the rate payer. The cost of putting up wind turbines is paid for by the rate payer.

Shouldn't you be telling us how fusion will be here in the next 5 years? Wind turbines are here now and they are producing cheap electricity. Cheaper than a new coal plant. And at a similar cost to combined cycle gas turbine when gas was cheap.
 
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