Great American Speeches

[Minister of Truth]

SM, quit trolling about AIDS victims...

 

[WinterBorn]

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3D is right, you are simply trolling now. And failing at that.

 

[christiefan915]

I always have to laugh when Reagan gets criticized for AIDS. HIV is not as big of a threat to public health as cancer, obesity, heart disease, odd strains of enfluenza, etc. Hell, I still have to read literature on WNV when I donate blood, and that pretty much blew over 7 years ago. Carter was president when HIV first surfaced in 1979, and I'm not going to criticize him for failing to suddenly create a multi-trillion dollar task force to hit the problem with head-on.

He, personally, was silent on the subject for 7 out of 8 years. It's just one of the many, many reasons I had no respect for the man.

"Reagan could have chosen to end the homophobic rhetoric that flowed from so many in his administration. Dr. C. Everett Koop, Reagan's surgeon general, has said that because of "intradepartmental politics" he was cut out of all AIDS discussions for the first five years of the Reagan administration. The reason, he explained, was "because transmission of AIDS was understood to be primarily in the homosexual population and in those who abused intravenous drugs." The president's advisers, Koop said, "took the stand, 'They are only getting what they justly deserve.' "

 

[Minister of Truth]

He could have been silent for 8/8, and I would say, "who the fuck cares?" He wasn't silent on actual, real, presidential issues, such as the economy and the Cold War.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

He could have been silent for 8/8, and I would say, "who the fuck cares?" He wasn't silent on actual, real, presidential issues, such as the economy and the Cold War.

OK, please explain to me how preventing a pandemic that has caused the deaths of over a million people would not be a Presidential issue and then please explain to me why those Presidents who followed him did consider it a Presidential issues?

In fact it's one of the few issues in which I do heap praise upon former President Bush (and Clinton).

 

[Cypress]

He could have been silent for 8/8, and I would say, "who the fuck cares?" He wasn't silent on actual, real, presidential issues, such as the economy and the Cold War.

You only want a president to talk about economy and cold war?

Yo, Reagan routinely talked about crap that you must consider trivial, like a woman's reproductive organs and her right to choose, and he babbled endlessly about religious crap presumably to curry favor with his religious rightwing base.

Reagan abdicated and went missing in action on HIV because it was a gay disease. And many in his religious rightwing base, and possibly he himself, viewed HIV in terms of gays getting what they deserved. They were considred Promiscuous, immoral heathens, is my recollection of the broader rightwing frenzy at the time.

Regardless of what you think now, HIV was a huge deal in the 1980s. It was only due to the effort of science and medicine that it was brought under control. That didn't happen by magic. A lot of researchers dedicated a shit load of time. Otherwise, as Mott pointed out, if we just ignored it we could have had a sub-saharan africa HIV situation on our hands.


One thing I know about Reagan: if a mysterious disease had infected and killed tens of thousands of the white, southern Baptist elite, or had devastated the inner circles of the Wall Street goons, Reagan would have been on it like stink on shit. He would not have abdicated and gone missing in action.

It's really as simple as that. It was viewed as a gay disease and a gay problem. And the religious rightwing, reagan's base, didn't give a crap about it. Except to the extent they could isolate gays from the rest of us. Seriously, man: that is exactly some of the shit that was going down.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

You only want a president to talk about economy and cold war?

Yo, Reagan routinely talked about crap that you must consider trivial, like a woman's reproductive organs and her right to choose, and he babbled endlessly about religious crap presumably to curry favor with his religious rightwing base.

Reagan abdicated and went missing in action on HIV because it was a gay disease. And many in his religious rightwing base, and possibly he himself, viewed HIV in terms of gays getting what they deserved. They were considred Promiscuous, immoral heathens, is my recollection of the broader rightwing frenzy at the time.

Regardless of what you think now, HIV was a huge deal in the 1980s. It was only due to the effort of science and medicine that it was brought under control. That didn't happen by magic. A lot of researchers dedicated a shit load of time. Otherwise, as Mott pointed out, if we just ignored it we could have had a sub-saharan africa HIV situation on our hands.


One thing I know about Reagan: if a mysterious disease had infected and killed tens of thousands of the white, southern Baptist elite, or had devastated the inner circles of the Wall Street goons, Reagan would have been on it like stink on shit. He would not have abdicated and gone missing in action.

It's really as simple as that. It was viewed as a gay disease and a gay problem. And the religious rightwing, reagan's base, didn't give a crap about it. Except to the extent they could isolate gays from the rest of us. Seriously, man: that is exactly some of the shit that was going down.

I think it still would be the case had not Presidential electoral politics have become so close in the last 20 years that no serious Presidential candidate can afford to alienate 5 to 10% of the electorate and hope to win election. Had not that gap became so narrow, I'm sure they would still be just as heartless about the issue. Many of the reich wing still are.

 

[christiefan915]

He could have been silent for 8/8, and I would say, "who the fuck cares?" He wasn't silent on actual, real, presidential issues, such as the economy and the Cold War.

For most of reagan's administrations you were still an ovum.

Those of us who actually lived through that horror have a different viewpoint of how he handled all presidential issues, and we consider public health to be actual and real.

 

[Liberty]

OK, is this where the obligatory "AIDS started cause some gay freak banged a monkey" comments begin?

No. FAGGOT OF DEBATE just added something.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

For most of reagan's administrations you were still an ovum.

Those of us who actually lived through that horror have a different viewpoint of how he handled all presidential issues, and we consider public health to be actual and real.

You didn't give a flying dog shot about "public health" you political hack. When all of these 'popcorn' statistics cited, were first on the radar, we knew that nearly all of the cases (95%) were the result of male homosexual activity. That statistic has shifted over the years, as the disease became mainstream, but in the initial phases of this epidemic, we knew what caused it, and what behaviors were most likely to encounter it, and our government refused to warn people of that. It wasn't done, because it was considered too "politically incorrect" to do that, and it's really where the fucking PC Crazy Train left the station in America!

Every other disease epidemic we've ever encountered, the public was told exactly what the risk factors were, what behavior was more prone to be at risk, and how to avoid the risk. We refused to do that! YOU refused to allow that! Now you claim it was REAGAN who did that? After the catastrophe, after the calamity, after the epidemic swept the nation and practically killed a generation, you want to do a retrospective of your warped view of revisionist history? ...What fucking gall you have!

 

[Minister of Truth]

You only want a president to talk about economy and cold war?

Yo, Reagan routinely talked about crap that you must consider trivial, like a woman's reproductive organs and her right to choose, and he babbled endlessly about religious crap presumably to curry favor with his religious rightwing base.

Reagan abdicated and went missing in action on HIV because it was a gay disease. And many in his religious rightwing base, and possibly he himself, viewed HIV in terms of gays getting what they deserved. They were considred Promiscuous, immoral heathens, is my recollection of the broader rightwing frenzy at the time.

Regardless of what you think now, HIV was a huge deal in the 1980s. It was only due to the effort of science and medicine that it was brought under control. That didn't happen by magic. A lot of researchers dedicated a shit load of time. Otherwise, as Mott pointed out, if we just ignored it we could have had a sub-saharan africa HIV situation on our hands.


One thing I know about Reagan: if a mysterious disease had infected and killed tens of thousands of the white, southern Baptist elite, or had devastated the inner circles of the Wall Street goons, Reagan would have been on it like stink on shit. He would not have abdicated and gone missing in action.

It's really as simple as that. It was viewed as a gay disease and a gay problem. And the religious rightwing, reagan's base, didn't give a crap about it. Except to the extent they could isolate gays from the rest of us. Seriously, man: that is exactly some of the shit that was going down.

Yawn...

 

[Minister of Truth]

For most of reagan's administrations you were still an ovum.

Those of us who actually lived through that horror have a different viewpoint of how he handled all presidential issues, and we consider public health to be actual and real.

Not true, I was born on Mt. St. Helen's Day, 1986, meaning there was still more than 2.5 years to go. More time post-partum than 9 months...

 

[Minister of Truth]

OK, please explain to me how preventing a pandemic that has caused the deaths of over a million people would not be a Presidential issue and then please explain to me why those Presidents who followed him did consider it a Presidential issues?

In fact it's one of the few issues in which I do heap praise upon former President Bush (and Clinton).

The people are proles. Despite AIDS being such a damned difficult illness to contract, they still wound up needing all the attention, sapped resources, etc., that has been thrown at the problem since. Only something as insipid as modern man could turn AIDS into a pandemic.

 

[DamnYankee]

'They are only getting what they justly deserve.'

True.

 

[WinterBorn]

True.

So let me see if I understand your concept of God's actions.


Murderers he lets live. Rapists he lets live. Child molesters he lets live. But homosexuals he punishes with an epidemic that also kills tens of thousands of straight (innocent) people?

 

[leaningright]

So let me see if I understand your concept of God's actions.


Murderers he lets live. Rapists he lets live. Child molesters he lets live. But homosexuals he punishes with an epidemic that also kills tens of thousands of straight (innocent) people?

I preached on this very thing last night, a continuation of last week's sermon on the story of Jonah. "The Storm That Sin Caused" was last week's title and I specifically mentioned nuts like Pat Robertson who claimed Katrina was a storm [disaster] of God's judgment on a sinful city. Yes, I named mames from the pulpit and yes, I called them "nuts." God doesn't do that stuff anymore. He lets things go the way they will and He'll sort them out in the end....anyway, that was the gist of my message.

 

[WinterBorn]

I preached on this very thing last night, a continuation of last week's sermon on the story of Jonah. "The Storm That Sin Caused" was last week's title and I specifically mentioned nuts like Pat Robertson who claimed Katrina was a storm [disaster] of God's judgment on a sinful city. Yes, I named mames from the pulpit and yes, I called them "nuts." God doesn't do that stuff anymore. He lets things go the way they will and He'll sort them out in the end....anyway, that was the gist of my message.

Sounds like a good sermon.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

True.

Well you sure did prove Cypress point, didn't you?

 

[Jarod]

I preached on this very thing last night, a continuation of last week's sermon on the story of Jonah. "The Storm That Sin Caused" was last week's title and I specifically mentioned nuts like Pat Robertson who claimed Katrina was a storm [disaster] of God's judgment on a sinful city. Yes, I named mames from the pulpit and yes, I called them "nuts." God doesn't do that stuff anymore. He lets things go the way they will and He'll sort them out in the end....anyway, that was the gist of my message.

You da MAN!

 

[Cancel 2016.2]

In Honor of today being the anniversary of MLK Jr's famous speech, which American do you think gave the greatest speech?

Great list... that was tough to choose one.