GOP Silent on Prop 8

[Bonestorm]

There is no individual right to contract. I have absolutely NO right to contract as a pitcher for the Yankees....NONE! I can't exercise my fundamental right to contract with a record company to publish my music! Any contract, requires the fundamental action of two (or more) parties, therefore, it is NOT an "individual" right.

That's some spoof-proof insanity right there.

Marriage is not a contract, it is the union of a man and woman, and it's ALWAYS been understood in that way. Gays are not being FORBIDDEN to marry. It is YOU who continues to grasp at straws, and flounder, in this debate.

Well, if YOU say so . . .

 

[Sammy Jankis]

The right to bear arms does not guranatee you a gun.

The right to contract doesn't mean you can hire a contract killer, or force others to contract a disease. Doy.

 

[Timshel]

The right to contract doesn't mean you can hire a contract killer, or force others to contract a disease. Doy.

Sooooo........ WTF RU talking about? I am glad you figured that out by yourself but I have no clue why you think it matters.

 

[Timshel]

There is no individual right to contract. I have absolutely NO right to contract as a pitcher for the Yankees....NONE! I can't exercise my fundamental right to contract with a record company to publish my music! Any contract, requires the fundamental action of two (or more) parties, therefore, it is NOT an "individual" right.

Yes, you have a right to contract. No you don't have the right to force anyone else to enter a contract against their will. That has nothing to do with this. The case does not deal with a man forcing another man to marry against his will.

Your point is retarded.

Marriage is not a contract, it is the union of a man and woman, and it's ALWAYS been understood in that way. Gays are not being FORBIDDEN to marry. It is YOU who continues to grasp at straws, and flounder, in this debate.

It's a contract. But I brought up the right to contract as it does not imply a right to force someone to agree to the contract against their will and is still an establsihed, protected and cherished right of the individual.

You have right to own property. That does not mean you have a right to any specific piece of property but a general right to acquire and dispose of property.

Your argument is semantic bullshit and word games that is used to attack the concept of rights in general.

 

[Sammy Jankis]

Sooooo........ WTF RU talking about? I am glad you figured that out by yourself but I have no clue why you think it matters.

That would be consistent with your general clueless state.

 

[Timshel]

That would be consistent with your general clueless state.

No, my opinions are based in reality of the common law as it currently exists and has historically. Your response is based in some ingorant propaganda where the courts are not capable of forming a rational basis distinction between a contract killing and some other contract. They are capabale and have formed such distinctions.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

principally, the gwb tax cuts that the dems went along with to cut taxes for the lower brackets set to expire at the end of this year, the repubs in the senate want to extend them producing a multi-trillion deficit

What? You mean Bush's Tax Cuts for the Rich were REALLY tax cuts for the lower brackets too? Wow, that's a new revelation from you guys, ain't it? You've been whining about Bush's Tax Cuts For The Rich so long, and now all of a sudden, they weren't just "for the rich?" That's odd!

And, oh by the way, we are already producing multi-trillion deficits, projected even higher in the decades ahead, thanks to this administration. It's a funny time for you to get all concerned about the deficit.... I kinda thought that was the whole idea behind this Keynesian Economics plan?

also, plans to infuse further funds into the economy are being blocked by the repubs in the senate - like the bills to give aid to the first responders of 9/11 and extend unemployment benefits

Oh the humanity! Now all these poor sick heroes from 9/11 will have to die in the streets, as the dust turns to mud in their lungs, and they gasp for one last wheezing breath to cry for our help and compassion! MSNBC will do a Special Report with Rachel Madow, and they will show us one of the dying heroes clutching a poor little fuzzy kitten, who is dying as well! All due to the mean old heartless Republicans who just want to give money away to their friends on Wall Street and Drill For Oil!

pumping money into a failing economy is a classic means of staving off a depression

Yes, it's classic alright... Failed Classic Liberal Keynesian IDIOCY!

as for blaming bho for the failing economy, it is slowly, very slowly, recovering and still needs more help that the repubs do not want to give

No, it's not recovering, not even slowly! It's getting worse! And it will continue to get worse until people who are in power do what they can to ENCOURAGE capitalism, instead of DISCOURAGING it! Until you stop with the deficit spending, running our debt higher and higher, printing more money and devaluing our currency more and more, to fund every liberal knee-jerk emotional "need" that pops into your goofy liberal heads... we aren't coming out of this funk!

bho inherited this economic disaster and has prevented a depression with his policies - changing this disaster, which was in several years in the making, will not be easy or cheap - think of trying to change the course of an ocean liner traveling at full speed - especially if you trying to reverse course

Democrats have been in full control of Congress since 2006, and since then, the unemployment has more than doubled, the GDP growth has declined by double, the debt-to-GDP ratio has increased to historic proportions, and after outspending ALL previous administrations COMBINED, in less than two years, there is still no apparent results to show for it! No massive jobs program, nothing sparking all this new industry and growth... just the same old dismal jobs report, and an anemic finicky market. Stagflation is on the way soon, and it's going to get much worse.

i am not saying that some dems are not on the same page as the repubs, but mainly, it is the repubs policy that is holding things up

Republicans can't set policy! The have absolutely NO POWER in Congress at this time! Congress is fully controlled by the Democrats! Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid! If there is ANY complaint about "policy" those are the two to blame for it!

Say whatever you want to about Republicans, they appear to be the ONLY ones who are listening to the American people, who want the spending to STOP!

 

[USFREEDOM911]

I disagree. Marriage can't possibly be a fundamental individual right, it requires the consent of a male and female, and that doesn't constitute an individual! Now, if you want to MAKE marriage a fundamental individual right, you should first start with establishing it for the dog-butt ugly people first! They far outnumber gays! You could pass a Federal law requiring people to only date or socialize with the dog-butt ugly! They simply can not be allowed to just marry the first pretty face that comes along, they must demonstrate they have given ugly people their fair shot, after all, it's their fundamental rights we're talking about here!

Very, very weak; Dixie.

You just need to sit back, relax, and accept the fact that gays are going to be able to legally have same sex marriages and that they will be called Marriages and accepted by all States.

This will happen, in your lifetime.

 

[Topspin]

Republicans should be looking at prop 19, the democrats have fumble that ball for years. And Conservatives could use the increased youth vote, put under the heading of personal freedom.

 

[Canceled1]

I don't see how comparing Bush to this moment has merit. It's obvious that Obama has accelerated Bush policies. Why hug one, and speak ill of the other as if there's a difference in the subject matter you contend.

Because he's run out of things to say and what do Dems do when they run out of things to say? They emulate their President and blame Bush for everything, up to and including, his recent bout with hemorrhoids.

 

[Liberty]

principally, the gwb tax cuts that the dems went along with to cut taxes for the lower brackets set to expire at the end of this year, the repubs in the senate want to extend them producing a multi-trillion deficit

The answer to this problem in my opinion is to cut spending.

We need to stop giving money to countries overseas, stop bailing out unions, get rid of the department of education, the EPA, the DEA and the war against drugs, and a bunch more to get us out of this hole. Big government socialism is the problem.

The reps are doing what I told them to do. It's amazing that they are showing concern about what the voters are telling them. This is the first time I can remember that one of these parties fear the voters.
I forgot how to split up my answers.

You're wrong. Roosevelt is a prime example. His policies kept us in poverty. It took WW2 to get us going again.

Again, the republican whores are worried about votes, and what people like me are telling them. Not what's best. I have no faith in the republicans. Or the Dems.

Obams policies have made things worse.

You should hang around more Libertarians.

 

[NOVA]

LOL @ me "hoping for republicans to make a big stink" over the "homo marriage" issue. Priceless.

Uh, it was you dudes and the GOP more broadly who made it a big issue for the last decade. I didn't put a gun to your head and tell you to do that. You made it a political football to drive the conservative base to the polls. Did you really think it was all a nefarious scheme by cypress, to make you dudes go bat shit crazy over gay marriage? Was there something I did to force you to call it "homo marriage" in your post, or was that a freudian slip of your inner bigot?

Obama isn't going to decide gay marriage, bro. It's going to be decided where it belongs - in the courts as an equality under the law issue. Obama is going to stand down, and not try to road block it. Gutless? Probably. But, Obama isn't the problem. He's a bystander who is going to stand down. I would say at this point, pretty much all liberals, libertarians, and most moderates are bystanders. They ain't the problem. Its the dudes who are - and have been - proactively working to road block gay marriage that are the problem. That's pretty much been the republican party, I'm not aware of any democrats, liberals, or libertarians who actively work to get State or Federal constitutional bans put in place to road block marriage equality.

Your false conclusions all stem from the fact that you can't or won't make a distinction between Republicans, Conservatives, Christians (of any party)
and religious fundamentalists, etc......

You pinheads lump all these different groups together as Republicans because it suits to further your political agenda and promote your lies about the Republican Party....and the uneducated pinheads that make up the majority of your party don't have the brains to make any distinctions about all these different groups, so lumping us all together is easier than thinking ......
The left makes it a political issue while all of these others make it more of a moral issue....and that seems to include many Democrats, including your Messiah Obama....
its like abortion....
to the left is a political issue, the others its a moral issue.......even though many many Democrats abhor abortion and state that everyday...
Politics means power and that is more important that moral principle to the left....to hold or gain the power, you pricks would do and say just about anything imaginable...

 

[christiefan915]

What I have to laugh at his Obama and his so called stance. He was against Prop 8, but does not support marriage between gays. Guess that is like his voting when he was a senator and said "Present".

How about, maybe he was against Prop 8 because he knows it's unconstitutional and the law trumps his opinion?

 

[Don Quixote]

How about, maybe he was against Prop 8 because he knows it's unconstitutional and the law trumps his opinion?

or maybe it is like being pro-choice but against abortion like me

i think women should be able to choose but i think abortion needs to be a last resort

just an analogy folks, not a start of an abortion war please

 

[christiefan915]

Web, in other words... It's nothing new for a Democrat to seemingly take both sides of a controversial issue, they do it all the time. This is how they manage to get elected to power by the stupid people who vote for them, because they apparently aren't aware of the doublespeak.

No, it's called "weighing the alternatives" to people who don't see the world as in black-white terms.

Obama is a Liberal, so pinheads understand he secretly wants Gay Marriage, but they understand he can't come out and publicly support that, no politician could survive on a national level, taking this position, it would be political suicide.

Obama is a lawyer, so liberals know that he understands the constitutional issues underlying Prop 8, and that it's on shaky ground.

So they basically allow him to run around telling an outright lie to the American people, taking the "public" stance of not supporting Gay Marriage, so he can retain the support of his African-American and Latino base, which is about 85~90% opposed to Gay Marriage.

No, we understand people who are able to keep their personal opinions from compromising legal issues. Conservatives have a lot to learn from liberals in this regard.

I think the Republicans should develop a counter to this whole issue, and take it away from the Liberals. Adopt a Civil Unions plank, and present a sensible comprehensive plan to get government out of the 'marriage' business on a Federal level, and encourage States to do the same. As I have demonstrated, this is a "Problem" that we can fix, and satisfy virtually every side involved. Of course, it won't satisfy the antagonists, the ones who had rather have the "Issue" to bash the Christian Right with.

Why hasn't it happened already? IMO it's because repubs in power have moved so far to the right they can't separate the legal issues from conventional thought and their personal interpretation of morality.

 

[Don Quixote]

The answer to this problem in my opinion is to cut spending.

We need to stop giving money to countries overseas, stop bailing out unions, get rid of the department of education, the EPA, the DEA and the war against drugs, and a bunch more to get us out of this hole. Big government socialism is the problem.



The reps are doing what I told them to do. It's amazing that they are showing concern about what the voters are telling them. This is the first time I can remember that one of these parties fear the voters.
I forgot how to split up my answers.



You're wrong. Roosevelt is a prime example. His policies kept us in poverty. It took WW2 to get us going again.



Again, the republican whores are worried about votes, and what people like me are telling them. Not what's best. I have no faith in the republicans. Or the Dems.



Obams policies have made things worse.



You should hang around more Libertarians.

imo you are wrong

i used to be a libertarian but got a conscience

i am a social progressive and a fiscal conservative

 

[christiefan915]

A strong stand? Like what, Stringy? You want to see redneck republicans out in the streets with their Bibles, shouting epitaphs at homosexuals...

:lmao: Here's one for you...

 

[christiefan915]

I don't see how comparing Bush to this moment has merit. It's obvious that Obama has accelerated Bush policies. Why hug one, and speak ill of the other as if there's a difference in the subject matter you contend.

IMO the vast majority of libs are not hugging Obama for following or accelerating bush polices. But along those lines, why aren't conservatives hugging him for doing so?

 

[Minister of Truth]

or maybe it is like being pro-choice but against abortion like me

i think women should be able to choose but i think abortion needs to be a last resort

just an analogy folks, not a start of an abortion war please

Well, its not a particularly courageous stance. Considering that lives are at stake, as opposed to budgets, assets, city planning, etc., I question all pro-choicers who claim to view abortion as wrong as lying to themselves, or their audience. That is all.

 

[christiefan915]

or maybe it is like being pro-choice but against abortion like me

i think women should be able to choose but i think abortion needs to be a last resort

just an analogy folks, not a start of an abortion war please

Exactly. I think we all have some opinions like that, that is, if we consider ourselves thinking adults.