GOP senator to unveil findings on female athlete 'helplessness' in transgender sports

[RB 60]

I bet I could be a star playing tennis against double amputees!.

I dunno. They might be able to "kick" your ass...

 

[TOP]

I bet I could be a star playing tennis against double amputees!.

The people who say work harder have never worked at all athletically..

 

[domer76]

Disagree. Thankfully, even Blue states are seeing the folly of early protocols that aren't adequate for trans issues in sports.

Aside from the glaring competition issues, women athletes are being forced to share locker rooms with males who are still attracted to women.

Slowly but surely, this will get sorted out so it's fair for everyone.

Yeah, it will get sorted out.

But, the major complaint isn’t about locker rooms, is it? It’s about winning.

 

[domer76]

They are. They realize that original protocols were severely lacking.

There are social issues as well. Would you want your daughter being forced to shower with male athletes?

As I said before, the locker room thing isn’t the real issue, is it? It’s all about winning.

 

[domer76]

I agree that social trans issues and athletic trans issues are very different.

Given that it's fairly recent, the NCAA and the Olympic committee are working toward getting it right.

Giving trans people the same rights as other people to exist peacefully is only right, as it doesn't take away the rights of anyone else.

Giving men the right to compete against women denies the rights of the latter.


Lest we forget, there is a big difference between gender and sex.

There is no “right to compete”. Only the privilege to do so.

 

[domer76]

Sorry if your whiny transgender "girlfriend" can't compete with his biological sex but he should leave the real girls alone just like you do.

Laughable response, if you can call it a response at all.

Is that really the best you have, Rufus? Go back to fucking bed.

 

[domer76]

Why can't men compete against men without 'whining'?

I’m not sure what that even means.

Do you REALLY think that transgenders go through all that emotional and physical trauma that is associated with transgenderism just because they want to win a couple of medals in swim meets for a couple of years in their lives? That they go through that process just to shower with females? That they subject themselves to all the social stigma and shame rained upon them to just win a swim meet?

Please don’t tell me you’re that shallow.

 

[domer76]

It's about scholarships.

Thankfully, men must compete against men in the Olympics

Now really. How many scholarships are truly lost because of transgenders in sports? You can bet next to zero.

That’s pretty much a non-issue blown completely out of proportion.

 

[domer76]

We disagree on how serious it is. And we disagree on how ‘unfair’ it is. High schools actually recruit athletes and many private schools will leave everyone else playing for second place. Is that ‘unfair’. Of course it is. When did Congress address THAT issue of unfairness? I think we both know the answer. Studies have demonstrated that the advantage trope is a myth. Colleges and high school districts will figure it out. It just isn’t a topic worthy of discussion and certainly an utter waste of tax dollars. All to gin up more hatred for trans people. THAT is the issue.

Spot on.

 

[NiftyNiblick]

It's so simple girls compete on girl's teams ...boys compete on boy's teams.... like Special or Paralympics there will eventually be translympics... but right now stay in your lane...

There are precious few if any conservative positions in economics or social service issues with which I agree,
but on these social issues, I agree with this one entirely.

About the only social issue with which I strongly agree with liberals against conservatives is female reproductive rights.
I attribute no rights whatever to fetuses and embryos inside of a woman's body other than those that the woman herself gives them.
If they're unwanted growths to her, then they're unwanted growths until they draw their first breath outside of her.

Misogyny is a pure Republican concept here in America.

 

[domer76]

I won’t say it’s all about winning but it’s about the “opportunity” to win. Without the “opportunity” to win why else compete in a contest?

Using the logic you present there might as well not be any male sports separate from female sports. We'll just lump them all together and the ladies can just be happy with competing with no opportunity to win.

Also using that logic that male swimmer who is allowed to compete with females should have been happy to “just compete” with those of his own gender. If he wasn’t happy about not winning he could have trained harder and gotten better.

Yep. It’s all about winning.

Look, the NCAA with the transfer portal and the NIL thing have turned college sports into professional sports. So, I really don’t give a damn about how they handle this, since they’ve fucked up everything else.

If a female high school athlete is good enough, trans or no trans, they will find scholarship opportunities. So, it really isn’t about that, either, is it.

Cawacko is correct. It’s a pretty minor issue blown out of proportion by those who have a different agenda.

 

[NiftyNiblick]

Don't know if you've ever watched South Park but they do a pretty good job of skewering everything. To your point of trans boxers, it's included in this clip from a 2019 episode.

I loved South Park around 25 years ago--I didn't know it was still on.
Do they still kill Kenny every episode and then bring him back?

 

[cawacko]

Yep. It’s all about winning.

Look, the NCAA with the transfer portal and the NIL thing have turned college sports into professional sports. So, I really don’t give a damn about how they handle this, since they’ve fucked up everything else.

If a female high school athlete is good enough, trans or no trans, they will find scholarship opportunities. So, it really isn’t about that, either, is it.

Cawacko is correct. It’s a pretty minor issue blown out of proportion by those who have a different agenda.

I'll only speak for myself here (meaning I'm not trying to speak for other conservatives or anyone else). I'm not going to claim to understand why someone would make permanent changes to their body. I don't get it. That said, to each his own how they want to live their life and if this is what they choose then that is their right. Not surprisingly, I've seen transgender people for years in San Francisco and at the end of the day they are people just like everyone else who are just living their life.

I don't think transgender people should be denied the right to participate in sports. At the same time I have a young daughter and I don't think it fair or appropriate really for a transgender person to be on her team. It's possible I change my mind on that in the future I suppose as she is very likely going to have one or compete against one but that's where I stand today. I think in time there will likely be enough transgender people that we can create leagues for them. But there aren't today so I wrestle with how to co-exist the two in the meantime.

Regarding Congressional legislation, no matter who does much of it is virtue signaling to their voters (especially when it is made with little attempt at bi-partisan support knowing that it will never pass Congress). That's what is most likely happening here with this legislation.

 

[Concart]

I'll only speak for myself here (meaning I'm not trying to speak for other conservatives or anyone else). I'm not going to claim to understand why someone would make permanent changes to their body. I don't get it. That said, to each his own how they want to live their life and if this is what they choose then that is their right. Not surprisingly, I've seen transgender people for years in San Francisco and at the end of the day they are people just like everyone else who are just living their life.

I don't think transgender people should be denied the right to participate in sports. At the same time I have a young daughter and I don't think it fair or appropriate really for a transgender person to be on her team. It's possible I change my mind on that in the future I suppose as she is very likely going to have one or compete against one but that's where I stand today. I think in time there will likely be enough transgender people that we can create leagues for them. But there aren't today so I wrestle with how to co-exist the two in the meantime.

Regarding Congressional legislation, no matter who does much of it is virtue signaling to their voters (especially when it is made with little attempt at bi-partisan support knowing that it will never pass Congress). That's what is most likely happening here with this legislation.

Thank you for that incredibly well formed and articulate response. Much appreciated.

 

[NiftyNiblick]

Almost nobody agrees with me on this,
but I don't understand how living as a transgendered freak is better than being humanely euthanized.

Not living well is MUCH WORSE than being dead, and how well will our inherently bigoted society treat these people?
Most of us--I hate to say it but I recognize it--
can't wait to fuck with normal people, much less those we can define as "others."

I don't want to be the person to tell somebody that his/her/its life is useless or worthless,
but at the very least, euthanasia should be an option for anyone who's really fucked up one way or another.

 

[cawacko]

I’ll share a story that one of my best friends told me. He’s a sharp guy, perfect LSAT and Harvard Law, and is a Partner at a big S.F. law firm. Politically he’s liberal because he’s an atheist and likes weed but he’s not a partisan or ideologue. He pretty much just shoots it straight what ever he believes.

He was at lunch with a number of Partners at the firm and the topic of transgenders came up. He said a good handful at the table started saying either their kids were in the process of transitioning or were at least considering it. It said it was like a source of pride for the Partner whose kid was furthest along.

I remember as a kid people went through phases with how they dressed or behaved. If i’m being honest that what I wonder here, and question if doing permanent changes to people at such a young age is appropriate.

That said I support people living how they choose (which I suppose could be contradictory if I question surgery on young people). I just hope the science supports what we’re allowing kids to do and we don’t look back and say “damn, we f’d up a lot of kids by allowing this”.

 

[Althea]

We disagree on how serious it is. And we disagree on how ‘unfair’ it is. High schools actually recruit athletes and many private schools will leave everyone else playing for second place. Is that ‘unfair’. Of course it is. When did Congress address THAT issue of unfairness? I think we both know the answer. Studies have demonstrated that the advantage trope is a myth. Colleges and high school districts will figure it out. It just isn’t a topic worthy of discussion and certainly an utter waste of tax dollars. All to gin up more hatred for trans people. THAT is the issue.

Not according to Bruce Jenner

 

[Althea]

Yeah, it will get sorted out.

But, the major complaint isn’t about locker rooms, is it? It’s about winning.

If it's about winning, then why are men so hard up to compete against women? Because every one of them is middle of the road against men.

You don't know what the complaint is, because you don't read about what women are complaining about. There is plenty of information out there.

Assume that at some point they sort out the myriad biological issues that are thus far not being addressed properly. (NCAA/Olympic Committee are getting closer) Why are women being forced to shower with men? Why can't the men use the men's showers?

 

[Althea]

As I said before, the locker room thing isn’t the real issue, is it? It’s all about winning.

Just because you refuse to address it, doesn't mean it isn't an issue.

So you would be fine with your daughter showering with men in the locker rooms. Many parents, and many students aren't.

 

[Althea]

There is no “right to compete”. Only the privilege to do so.

If it were a privilege, like driving or owning a gun, then there would be protocols that need to be met. Thus far, said protocols are severely lacking.

This is a complex issue. Congress is NOT the proper place to deal with it