GOP planning to cut USA support 4 Ukraine

Poor moon , you fell head over heels in love with a notorious Russian war criminal, that you just can't find the moral fortitude to get a divorce from Vladimir.

Putin is a judo dan. Zelensky is a comedian. I hope you are enjoying his jokes, bugler.
 
Gardner is arguing for giving the Sudetenland to Hitler. If we just placate the Russians and Chinese enough, they might spare us. The problem with that theory is the enemy usually sees complete weakness as a invitation for demanding more.

Putin is already talking about claiming US states as Russian territory. It does not get more verbally extreme than that, so we have to stand strong so as not to have actions follow words.

No, I'm arguing that we have done enough in stopping Russia's invasion. Let Ukraine deal with it from there.
 
Yes but the latter corrupt leader is causing immeasurable suffering on innocent people. The former did not. Between the two evils the latter is exponentially worse and must be stopped, IMO.

Then what is enough? $100 billion? A nuclear exchange with Russia?
 
Gardner is arguing for giving the Sudetenland to Hitler. If we just placate the Russians and Chinese enough, they might spare us. The problem with that theory is the enemy usually sees complete weakness as a invitation for demanding more.

Putin is already talking about claiming US states as Russian territory. It does not get more verbally extreme than that, so we have to stand strong so as not to have actions follow words.

If we just placate the Chinese they might not take over Taiwan. If we placate the Iranians, they won't build a nuke. If we placate Cuba, they might stop the spread of Communism.

The placater's are the liberal left dipshit. Biden is the uber placater. :palm:
 
The hugest curtailing of production happened because of trump allowing the price to go negative.

That's a moronic lie filled comment dumbass. :palm:

We are right now a net exporter of energy, but we still need the Saudis to produce more. We cannot produce enough to drive down prices. If you cannot understand this, I will dumb it down for you.

REALLY? Is that why Slow Joe is draining the national reserves. You should stop commenting on things you know nothing about. You must watch MSNBC. It's making you dumber than you already are. :palm:
 
So you just post whichever "facts" supports your position, say they are the absolutely truthful "facts", and then post the exact opposite immediately after? You even admit you have no idea if any of these "facts" are true. Because they contradict each other, they definitely can not all be true.

Basically, you have no real facts to backup your argument, and you have admitted that.

You are talking nonsense. You've blundered , again- and you believe that bluster will refloat your boat.
 
No, I'm arguing that we have done enough in stopping Russia's invasion. Let Ukraine deal with it from there.

The thing about sending supplies is that if the Ukrainians are not willing to fight for their country, the supplies will be meaningless. It is the Ukrainians who are making the decision that they do not want to just surrender to Putin, and they are the ones sacrificing for it.

Republicans want to cut off supplies to force a Putin victory. They hope that by showing weakness, it will convince world that we are not a threat, and can easily be defeated.

The alternative is a bit of supplies. It is not like Americans are dying, or even that it is costing that much.
 
So I do need to dumb this down for you. Americans are selling oil themselves, and making a nice profit off it. But the vast majority of our economy is not oil based, so high oil prices are bad for us. That is why, even though we are currently a net oil exporter, we would like the price of oil to come down.

Basically, you are confusing the American oil companies with you personally. The American oil companies are not going to give you free gasoline. I do not care who the President is, it is not going to happen. They will sell it to you at market rates. We need to drive down those market rates.

BUT NOT TOO FAR DOWN!!!

trump was a complete idiot who thought negative oil prices was a victory. It made it impossible to invest in oil production. With America's very capital intensive oil production, that was hardest on America.

Ran a fact check on this, there are no facts. Just stop already dimwitted wonder dunce. A vast majority of any major economy is oil based dumbass. Where do you think plastic comes from? How many products are made of plastic?

Gas drives a majority of power plants in this nation. Without it you cannot transport anything to final markets. You can't fly. You can't heat your home.

To suggest that our economy is not oil based is not merely false and uneducated, it is moronic.

When you have a President and political party who's goal it is to destroy the oil industry, then yes, you are going to cause major impacts to ALL markets causing shortages and inflationary pressures on EVERYTHING.

You morons on the left cannot have it both ways. Biden said he wanted to end Big Oil. Now, he runs to the Saudi's and Venezuelans with his hat in his hand begging them to keep prices down and production up?

That's the definition of stupid. You don't instantly transform an oil-based economy to one that doesn't use the product in a single four-year term lacking any mandate from the public. That's stupid.

You cannot rely on inefficient ancient technologies like wind and solar to power a modern economy. It isn't remotely feasible. Only ideologues out of touch with REALITY or who have never worked in the REAL economy a day in their lives buy this bullshit.

Now run along. You have nothing intelligent to add to the discussion.
 
The thing about sending supplies is that if the Ukrainians are not willing to fight for their country, the supplies will be meaningless. It is the Ukrainians who are making the decision that they do not want to just surrender to Putin, and they are the ones sacrificing for it.

Republicans want to cut off supplies to force a Putin victory. They hope that by showing weakness, it will convince world that we are not a threat, and can easily be defeated.

The alternative is a bit of supplies. It is not like Americans are dying, or even that it is costing that much.

And we don't need to be the ones giving them arms and aid to further that goal. Russia has been stopped. Enough on our part. If Ukraine wants to pursue an offensive war, let them do it on their own dime.
 
The thing about sending supplies is that if the Ukrainians are not willing to fight for their country, the supplies will be meaningless. It is the Ukrainians who are making the decision that they do not want to just surrender to Putin, and they are the ones sacrificing for it.

Republicans want to cut off supplies to force a Putin victory. They hope that by showing weakness, it will convince world that we are not a threat, and can easily be defeated.

The alternative is a bit of supplies. It is not like Americans are dying, or even that it is costing that much.

So, Europe has no supplies? :palm: BY the way, it isn't supplies, it's WEAPONS.
 
. The hugest curtailing of production happened because of trump allowing the price to go negative.
Ok, explain how Trump allowed the price to go negative. I’m all ears.

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We are right now a net exporter of energy, but we still need the Saudis to produce more. We cannot produce enough to drive down prices.
Sure we could. Reopen federal lands for oil leases that Biden closed off, open ANWAR for two examples.
 
I wish I could find the tweet but it was by a white progressive blue check mark woman who said if you (white people) still go to family functions and don't call most of them out for supporting white supremacy then you are the problem. (basically family gatherings shouldn't be a happy go lucky type event)

That's her deal. I shoot family members. Different techniques/strategies but clearly working together for a worthy goal (having no one in this country that disagrees with us)

My daughter was married to a Georgian who was a Republican.

But last year she discovered he was having an affair with a woman half his age- SO SHE DIVORCED THE MAN.

The only other Republicans in my family are married to two of my nieces.

My family has a rule, and we do not condone discussing politics at family gatherings. One of the elders will speak up and remind those who violate our rule!
 
My daughter was married to a Georgian who was a Republican.

But last year she discovered he was having an affair with a woman half his age- SO SHE DIVORCED THE MAN.

The only other Republicans in my family are married to two of my nieces.

My family does not condone discussing politics at family gatherings. One of the elders will speak up and remind those who violate our rule!
It’s a good rule. My family has the same rule and it helps make gatherings more pleasant.
 
A vast majority of any major economy is oil based dumbass.

Oil makes up a small percent of our economy, and I was talking about oil production. So high oil prices are great for Saudi Arabia, because that is their entire economy, but bad for America (in general), because while much of our economy is based on oil consumption, only a tiny bit is based on oil production.

That is true even though we are a net oil exporter. That tiny bit of net oil exporting will not make up for losing the rest of our economy.

The fact you do not understand this means that you probably should not be listened to.

Gas drives a majority of power plants in this nation. Without it you cannot transport anything to final markets. You can't fly.

OK, you appear to be talking about gasoline here, because you claim it is necessary for driving. It is a tiny percent of electrical production. Even if you are talking about natural gas, not used much in transportation, it is not a majority of electricity production, but merely a third.
 
And we don't need to be the ones giving them arms and aid to further that goal. Russia has been stopped. Enough on our part. If Ukraine wants to pursue an offensive war, let them do it on their own dime.

Russia has been stopped, temporarily. If we pull out support now, Putin can start winning again. Do you think the Ukrainians can stop him again? How much more will it cost to try to stop him again?
 
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