Go! Bernie Go! Kentucky and Oregon

philly rabbit said:
You go to Hell, you little punk inside your football shirt.

Say dude .. so I can watch your upper lip twitch.

Die of old age before I take you off thread ban.

You despise everything I say .. you little shit stain and your shout down fascist trolling only confirms you as a punk.
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You forgot bogman and hat fucktard.
 
anatta said:
no. but Trump isn't barfed up from the establishment either.
and Trump still has time to paint himself the populist.. Is he anti-big donor? not goingtinto the general, but it depends on how he paints it.

In other words....He's not going to get traditional progress Democrats that naturally go to Bernie as Progressive.
But he is a real alterantive to more of the same.

Trumps problems are his own negatives - and I think one thing we allagreeon it's going to be a very negative campaign.

So we'll see.
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Why can't he get tradional Dems?
Trump is a lifelong Dem.
Tigers don't change their stripes especially at his age.
Trump just went for the low hanging stupid fruit first.
God damn you can't get anything right.
 
Legion Troll said:
It's hard to imagine anyone who embodies the establishment more.

Hasn't he been a fixture of political fundraising for decades?

Are you telling me he gave all those donations without expecting - and getting - a quid pro quo?
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Yup. That's what he is trying to say. Amazing isn't it?
 
anatta said:
curious as to your meaning here..do you disdain populism itself, or Trump as populist.

Ideology is the absolute last thing I look for in a candidate ( my criteria)..
The thing is our government is dysfunctional to the point of being broken'and serving only the rich...

So ya..I'm desperately looking for something else...
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It isn't broken, it is doing exactly what the rich want it to.
 
philly rabbit said:
You go to Hell, you little punk inside your football shirt.

Say dude .. so I can watch your upper lip twitch.

Die of old age before I take you off thread ban.

You despise everything I say .. you little shit stain and your shout down fascist trolling only confirms you as a punk.
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That's fine with me, just don't be all-day about it.
 
anatta said:
Bush was a weak governor, with no worldview caught lke a dear in the headlights, and essentially turned everything over to Cheney.
On top of that he spent with reckless disregard like a Progressive, while unwilling to raise taxes like a Democrat.
He was the epitome of being out of his league. All he had was a inherently "weak" background type TX. governor for experience

I have to assume Trump has some executive abilities, but again what is most worrisome is his lack of natural curiosity for POTUS.
And it would not be surprising if what I see now is what I get later during the debates/campaign..

still I am in no hurry to declare- I did 3rd party last time, and it's always there again...I am going to be patient.
3rs party was distinctly unfulfilling - but it might be default position again.....we'llsee.
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Bush didnt willingly relinquish power to Cheney.
At year 7.5 Bush finally realised what Cheney had done and rebelled againat him, absolutely ignoring him beyond that point. You are close to correct except you give Bush too much credit. Bush was truly an idiot-puppet.
 
anatta said:
Clinton leans on Democratic loyalists to gain upper hand in Kentucky primary
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...hp-top-table-main_daily202-8am:homepage/story

In advance of Tuesday’s primary, Sanders also campaigned heavily in Kentucky over the weekend, and Clinton planned two additional days there full of campaigning, a sign that the campaign thinks it has a chance to stop Sanders from racking up an unbroken string of victories between now and the end of primary voting in June.

Oregon’s primary will also be held Tuesday by mail-in ballot. Republicans held their primary in Kentucky in March. Republicans will vote in Oregon Tuesday, even though Trump was declared the presumptive nominee after his victory in Indiana two weeks ago.

There is little recent public polling in Kentucky, but the Clinton campaign hopes to benefit from a different political environment than the one that greeted her in nearby West Virginia, a state she lost last week by 15 points.

For instance, Kentucky will hold a closed primary, shutting out independents who have heavily favored Sanders in other contests.


The state’s moderate Democratic leanings may also favor Clinton. She has consistently performed well among Democrats — even in West Virginia, where she lost overall to Sanders but won 49 percent to 45 percent among those registered as Democrats.

“She’s a little more conservative,” said Sherry Baucom, 47, of Louisville, pausing to correct herself. “Not conservative — a little less liberal than Bernie.”

She added: “That’s how she’s going to win the state.”

Kentucky Democrats are also still reeling from conservative Republican Matt Bevin’s victory in the governor’s race in 2015. Bevin succeeded Democrat Steve Beshear, who was prohibited from seeking a third term due to term limits.

Campaigning over the weekend, Sanders also made a point to distance his vision of implementing a “single-payer for all” system from Bevin’s efforts to undermine Obama’s health-care law.

“Let me begin by making a very short statement so the people of Kentucky will understand what kind of president I will be. And that is I understand your new governor, Gov. Bevin, is busy cutting health care and cutting education,” Sanders said in Bowling Green on Sunday. “So if you can imagine the kind of governor Gov. Bevin is, think about Bernie Sanders as a president doing exactly the opposite.”

Over the weekend, Sanders drew thousands from across the state to his rallies in Paducah and Bowling Green, while Clinton drew several hundred to her events in Louisville and Fort Mitchell. And despite Clinton’s efforts, upcoming primaries are likely to reinforce the continued support he has among Democrats across the country.

Sanders supporters in Nevada over the weekend, for example, put up a fight to win a small delegate edge at the chaotic state convention over the weekend, perhaps foreshadowing a similar battle at the Democratic National Convention in Philadelphia in July.

Clinton also faces significant challenges here. She is still answering for a gaffe she made in March, saying that her renewable energy plan would put the coal industry “out of business.” West Virginia voters got an apology from Clinton ahead of their primary, and she has said the remark was taken out of context. But the effects of that comment still sting in Kentucky, where mining is a smaller but still important industry in parts of the state.

“I think she got hurt by the comments about coal,” said Stephanie Lewis, 40, of Louisville, who supports Clinton. “I’m originally from Eastern Kentucky, and when I was back home for Mother’s Day, I heard about it a lot. . . . That’s kind of Bernie country.”

Clinton and Sanders have virtually the same position on clean-energy jobs, but her articulation of the position has hurt her in coal-producing states.

Sanders is expected to find support among those voters who are still smarting from job losses.

“He stated it differently,” said Bill Garmer, a former chairman of the Kentucky Democratic Party, explaining why Sanders has not been hurt by his position on coal. “He stated that he’s concerned, that he recognizes that coal jobs are being lost.”

Last week, former president Bill Clinton traveled to Eastern Kentucky to campaign for his wife and to do some damage control. The visit drew protesters, but Clinton sought to remind them of his wife’s commitment to $30 billion in aid for coal country.

“I’m the only candidate who has put on the table a plan for coal country,” Hillary Clinton said in Louisville on Sunday. “Because I don’t think we should leave behind the people who turn on the lights and power the factories in the United States.”

It is unclear whether that effort will pay off, but Sanders is expected to benefit from Clinton’s troubles.

“People see it as a cultural attack,” said Dale Emmons, a longtime Democratic political consultant in Kentucky. “I think the fact that Hillary Clinton is seen as the inevitable Democratic nominee, there will be some who will cast votes for Senator Sanders in protest of Secretary Clinton’s position.”

There are several reasons the Clinton campaign has begun to feel optimistic that it can close the gap.

The campaign’s last-minute work in the state featured signs of her typical outreach to her most faithful voters — starting with the state’s relatively small but reliable African American voting population.
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Nice spam bitch.
You really think anyone reads your text walls?
Fucking idiot
 
Rune said:
It is an ongoing 5000 year old battle and you think it is over now at your sayso?

:facepalm:
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5000 year old.whatever... we have no concept of citizen politician - no serving the common good.
It's all base politics. It's an internecine war of US politics by Congress, and POTUS - hell even SCOTUS is becoming infected with it .

Where do I claim "on my say" - but the only way out is to do it without special interests, and the only way to do that
is thru donors like Bernie gets. Even Trump is somewhat of an improvement over the status quo in terms of donors.
 
Rune said:
Why can't he get tradional Dems?
Trump is a lifelong Dem.
Tigers don't change their stripes especially at his age.
Trump just went for the low hanging stupid fruit first.
God damn you can't get anything right.
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Because he's running as a Republican?? He's getting "traditional Dems" in terms of DLC whites.
Who gives a fuck if he's striped as a Dem or a Repub ? why does that matter?
 
I think he's going to have to drop out sooner than you might think. He's broke and there's some bad news coming out of Burlington today. Though because it doesn't involve Hillary anatta didn't post it.

Also the shitshow in Nevada which was so ridiculously and falsely portrayed on this board has alarmed a lot of people. It also picked Bernie up a challenger for 2018, and the guy is the real deal. Not that anatta would know of him. But people in Vermont certainly know who he is.

Anyway, I'm done arguing about Bernie, he is irrelevant now. The Berners who now consist nearly solely of irrational Hillary haters and Rand Paul fans, will never shut up, but they're irrelevant too. Carry on, or to quote our great President "Please proceed Governor" .
 
anatta said:
5000 year old.whatever... we have no concept of citizen politician - no serving the common good.
It's all base politics. It's an internecine war of US politics by Congress, and POTUS - hell even SCOTUS is becoming infected with it .

Where do I claim "on my say" - but the only way out is to do it without special interests, and the only way to do that
is thru donors like Bernie gets. Even Trump is somewhat of an improvement over the status quo in terms of donors.
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There is only one solution. Everything else is bullshit.
The painful answer is that lobbying as we now know it must end. Nothing else will bring about the change we need. This is the simple truth; Congress has legalized bribery via K Street.

There is your windmill Don Quiote. Tilt away.
 
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anatta said:
Because he's running as a Republican?? He's getting "traditional Dems" in terms of DLC whites.
Who gives a fuck if he's striped as a Dem or a Repub ? why does that matter?
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Makes no difference.
GOP hates Hillary yet she is a good conservative.
Bernie is an independent who votes GOP and is running a Dem. Trump is a a Dem who ran GOP to get the conservatard vote, the easy stupid vote. Look who supports him here for example.
All of them will govern from their own views regardless of what party elected them.
Thst's why the GOP hated Trump, he will nit govern conservatively.
Too think that Trump will get no Dem vote.
 
Rune said:
There is only one solution. Everything else is bullshit.
The painful answer is that lobbying as we now know it must end. Nothing else will bring about the change we need. This is the simple truth; Congress has legalized bribery via K Street.

There is your windmill Don Quiote. Tilt away.
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lobbying per se' isn't the problem -it falls under petitioning the government.
Just saying.
But I completely agree "Congress has legalized K st. bribery" and that is the root of all problems -to quote the immortal George Harrison-
"...Nobody told you / they bought and sold you"

Absent public financing ( which is also the only way out of Citizens United without a Constitutional amendment) legislators are up for sale.
Public financing would be an endeavor worth Don Quixote's quest.
Absent that - ridding the culture of corruption by the Revolving Door would go a long way.

Revolving Door: Methodology
https://www.opensecrets.org/revolving/methodology.php

The beautiful thing about Bernie is that it is virtually publically financed.
 
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