Go! Bernie Go! Kentucky and Oregon

curious as to your meaning here..do you disdain populism itself, or Trump as populist.

Ideology is the absolute last thing I look for in a candidate ( my criteria)..
The thing is our government is dysfunctional to the point of being broken'and serving only the rich...

So ya..I'm desperately looking for something else...

I have disdain for populism itself, and opposed Huckabee in 2008. I just didn't have personal distain for him, the way I have for Douchebag Donald.

Frankly, Trump's ideology is the least concerning thing about him. His lack of discipline, psyche, and personality are all completely wrong for the presidency.
 
I think a lot of it is going to be how the fear driven campaign produces how much (quantity) of loathing for each candidate..

I agree, you will see the clip of Dangerous Don making fun of the crippled reporter over and over again.

You will see clips of him calling women every name in the book.

You will see highly edited videos of HRC cackling like she does with photos of dead ambassadors in the background.
 
Yes there is a larger than usual group that wants revolutionary politics, I am one of them. But Crazy Don is simply not the revolution we want or need, so I am out. I want Revolutionary, but only in a good way, not by trusting an arrogant tall tyrant with a short mans complex regardless of his height. Its clear to me that Crazy Don suffers from an inferiority complex that he is way over compensating for.

Anyway, a lot of Sanders supporters who want a Revolution are smart enough to see that they don't want the revolution Crazy Don would bring. Better to wait four years and find a better option, or force Clinton into promoting some revolutionary ideas using Sanders influence.

Since you're saying your out, does this mean you WON'T be voting for Clinton the Cunt either?
 
it's not impossible.. and you telling me as a Clinton voter that I would be so, is idiotic in itself..
I am completely not committed at this point except opposition to Clinton -because Clinton is the embodiment of everything evil.

warmonger, hyperpartisan, reliance on executive orders as promised, her campaign is nothing but identity politics..anti-federalist..corporatist..
Is Trump worse then that?

Im with her! :3
 
When someone like Crazy Don has to make fun of a handicapped reporter to bump up his own ego, he is a dangerous person to give power to.

And you find nothing wrong with Clinton the Cunt saying that a 12 year old rape victim may have exaggerated or encouraged the attack.
 
I agree, you will see the clip of Dangerous Don making fun of the crippled reporter over and over again.

You will see clips of him calling women every name in the book.

You will see highly edited videos of HRC cackling like she does with photos of dead ambassadors in the background.

Or they could just show Clinton the Cunt defaming a child rape victim, while protecting the rapist; because 12 year old children ENCOURAGE being raped, according to her.
 
I have disdain for populism itself, and opposed Huckabee in 2008. I just didn't have personal distain for him, the way I have for Douchebag Donald.

Frankly, Trump's ideology is the least concerning thing about him. His lack of discipline, psyche, and personality are all completely wrong for the presidency.
Populism is needed- weare beholden to a ruling class that only preens for itself..
This is not working..

But those are the exact same reasons ( personal flaws) i'm not on board with Trump too.

He's had months to study and refine his ideas..he sticks with gross over-reach..one has to wonder if he's up for the job.
On the other hand he does run an empire. I can't imagine him being so course in his business dealings.
High level executives demand a certain expertise, if not decorum..

But you've nailed it..
I would have to be convinced his advisors could spoon feed him the choices (much like Reagan) and trust his ultimate judgment.
As of now I can't back either one - Clinton is too far gone to change -we know what she is.

So i'll keep looking, keep measuring, keep evaluating. I seriously doubt I'll be able to decide much before how I see him in face to face debates
But I'm looking for large improvements before I could commit to voting
 
Populism is needed- weare beholden to a ruling class that only preens for itself..
This is not working..

But those are the exact same reasons ( personal flaws) i'm not on board with Trump too.

He's had months to study and refine his ideas..he sticks with gross over-reach..one has to wonder if he's up for the job.
On the other hand he does run an empire. I can't imagine him being so course in his business dealings.
High level executives demand a certain expertise, if not decorum..

But you've nailed it..
I would have to be convinced his advisors could spoon feed him the choices (much like Reagan) and trust his ultimate judgment.
As of now I can't back either one - Clinton is too far gone to change -we know what she is.

So i'll keep looking, keep measuring, keep evaluating. I seriously doubt I'll be able to decide much before how I see him in face to face debates
But I'm looking for large improvements before I could commit to voting

We've already gotten a taste of what can go wrong if a less capable president has bad advisors from the Bush Administration.

Douchebag Donald is going to get skewered by Crooked Hillary in the debates, because he's never prepared to discuss or articulate policy or matters of political administration. You're going to have to keep following his speeches and press events. Frankly, you may never learn anything useful or truthful from following him until after the election.
 
We've already gotten a taste of what can go wrong if a less capable president has bad advisors from the Bush Administration.

Douchebag Donald is going to get skewered by Crooked Hillary in the debates, because he's never prepared to discuss or articulate policy or matters of political administration. You're going to have to keep following his speeches and press events. Frankly, you may never learn anything useful or truthful from following him until after the election.

So we should elect him, to see what he's going to do. :good4u:
 
I do indeed.
It's not lost on me they are both capable of destroying swamp politics of DC, where everything gets mired down in Potomac river quicksand..
Clinton is unacceptable for that and other reasons.

And I'm much more a centrist then other Bernie supporters..but..I need to see more from him besides his ego.
I need to see him settle on some policies, and most of all need to see he has the temperament - which upto now is severely lacking.

Because there is always a 3rd party for us Bernie Bros to go to.

We're both drinking from the same trough but on opposite ends of it. It's still the same one.
 
it's not impossible.. and you telling me as a Clinton voter that I would be so, is idiotic in itself..
I am completely not committed at this point except opposition to Clinton -because Clinton is the embodiment of everything evil.

warmonger, hyperpartisan, reliance on executive orders as promised, her campaign is nothing but identity politics..anti-federalist..corporatist..
Is Trump worse then that?

yes
 
We've already gotten a taste of what can go wrong if a less capable president has bad advisors from the Bush Administration.

Douchebag Donald is going to get skewered by Crooked Hillary in the debates, because he's never prepared to discuss or articulate policy or matters of political administration. You're going to have to keep following his speeches and press events. Frankly, you may never learn anything useful or truthful from following him until after the election.
Bush was a weak governor, with no worldview caught lke a dear in the headlights, and essentially turned everything over to Cheney.
On top of that he spent with reckless disregard like a Progressive, while unwilling to raise taxes like a Democrat.
He was the epitome of being out of his league. All he had was a inherently "weak" background type TX. governor for experience

I have to assume Trump has some executive abilities, but again what is most worrisome is his lack of natural curiosity for POTUS.
And it would not be surprising if what I see now is what I get later during the debates/campaign..

still I am in no hurry to declare- I did 3rd party last time, and it's always there again...I am going to be patient.
3rs party was distinctly unfulfilling - but it might be default position again.....we'llsee.
 
And you find nothing wrong with Clinton the Cunt saying that a 12 year old rape victim may have exaggerated or encouraged the attack.

As an attorney whose job it was to do the best job you can to defend the criminal charges against the rapist, no I don't.
 
Yes, Philly Cheesesteak doesn't care where he gets his nutjobs from, as long as they are clearly deranged. That's what makes him such an effective traitor.

You go to Hell, you little punk inside your football shirt.

Say dude .. so I can watch your upper lip twitch.

Die of old age before I take you off thread ban.

You despise everything I say .. you little shit stain and your shout down fascist trolling only confirms you as a punk.
 
Clinton leans on Democratic loyalists to gain upper hand in Kentucky primary
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...hp-top-table-main_daily202-8am:homepage/story

In advance of Tuesday’s primary, Sanders also campaigned heavily in Kentucky over the weekend, and Clinton planned two additional days there full of campaigning, a sign that the campaign thinks it has a chance to stop Sanders from racking up an unbroken string of victories between now and the end of primary voting in June.

Oregon’s primary will also be held Tuesday by mail-in ballot. Republicans held their primary in Kentucky in March. Republicans will vote in Oregon Tuesday, even though Trump was declared the presumptive nominee after his victory in Indiana two weeks ago.

There is little recent public polling in Kentucky, but the Clinton campaign hopes to benefit from a different political environment than the one that greeted her in nearby West Virginia, a state she lost last week by 15 points.

For instance, Kentucky will hold a closed primary, shutting out independents who have heavily favored Sanders in other contests.


The state’s moderate Democratic leanings may also favor Clinton. She has consistently performed well among Democrats — even in West Virginia, where she lost overall to Sanders but won 49 percent to 45 percent among those registered as Democrats.

“She’s a little more conservative,” said Sherry Baucom, 47, of Louisville, pausing to correct herself. “Not conservative — a little less liberal than Bernie.”

She added: “That’s how she’s going to win the state.”

Kentucky Democrats are also still reeling from conservative Republican Matt Bevin’s victory in the governor’s race in 2015. Bevin succeeded Democrat Steve Beshear, who was prohibited from seeking a third term due to term limits.

Campaigning over the weekend, Sanders also made a point to distance his vision of implementing a “single-payer for all” system from Bevin’s efforts to undermine Obama’s health-care law.

“Let me begin by making a very short statement so the people of Kentucky will understand what kind of president I will be. And that is I understand your new governor, Gov. Bevin, is busy cutting health care and cutting education,” Sanders said in Bowling Green on Sunday. “So if you can imagine the kind of governor Gov. Bevin is, think about Bernie Sanders as a president doing exactly the opposite.”

Over the weekend, Sanders drew thousands from across the state to his rallies in Paducah and Bowling Green, while Clinton drew several hundred to her events in Louisville and Fort Mitchell. And despite Clinton’s efforts, upcoming primaries are likely to reinforce the continued support he has among Democrats across the country.

Sanders supporters in Nevada over the weekend, for example, put up a fight to win a small delegate edge at the chaotic state convention over the weekend, perhaps foreshadowing a similar battle at the Democratic National Convention in Philadelphia in July.

Clinton also faces significant challenges here. She is still answering for a gaffe she made in March, saying that her renewable energy plan would put the coal industry “out of business.” West Virginia voters got an apology from Clinton ahead of their primary, and she has said the remark was taken out of context. But the effects of that comment still sting in Kentucky, where mining is a smaller but still important industry in parts of the state.

“I think she got hurt by the comments about coal,” said Stephanie Lewis, 40, of Louisville, who supports Clinton. “I’m originally from Eastern Kentucky, and when I was back home for Mother’s Day, I heard about it a lot. . . . That’s kind of Bernie country.”

Clinton and Sanders have virtually the same position on clean-energy jobs, but her articulation of the position has hurt her in coal-producing states.

Sanders is expected to find support among those voters who are still smarting from job losses.

“He stated it differently,” said Bill Garmer, a former chairman of the Kentucky Democratic Party, explaining why Sanders has not been hurt by his position on coal. “He stated that he’s concerned, that he recognizes that coal jobs are being lost.”

Last week, former president Bill Clinton traveled to Eastern Kentucky to campaign for his wife and to do some damage control. The visit drew protesters, but Clinton sought to remind them of his wife’s commitment to $30 billion in aid for coal country.

“I’m the only candidate who has put on the table a plan for coal country,” Hillary Clinton said in Louisville on Sunday. “Because I don’t think we should leave behind the people who turn on the lights and power the factories in the United States.”

It is unclear whether that effort will pay off, but Sanders is expected to benefit from Clinton’s troubles.

“People see it as a cultural attack,” said Dale Emmons, a longtime Democratic political consultant in Kentucky. “I think the fact that Hillary Clinton is seen as the inevitable Democratic nominee, there will be some who will cast votes for Senator Sanders in protest of Secretary Clinton’s position.”

There are several reasons the Clinton campaign has begun to feel optimistic that it can close the gap.

The campaign’s last-minute work in the state featured signs of her typical outreach to her most faithful voters — starting with the state’s relatively small but reliable African American voting population.
 
could be. that's all well and good traditional politics, and it worked in '08..but there is a real desire for more then just a Democrat this time.
They want revolutionary politics. No more oligarchy, no more $30,000/plate dinners like Clooney ..we're done serving the establishment
because the establishment serves only the rich.

Clinton is pure establishment. She's a poster child for DC politics.. so there is the divide.

It is an ongoing 5000 year old battle and you think it is over now at your sayso?

:facepalm:
 
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