global warming naysayers miss the point...again!

[USFREEDOM911]

Here's the problem when you post stuff you found from a rightwing blog in the hopes you can pass your bullshit off.

Somebody who is literate in science might actually go to a the actual website from the actual institute that did the study, and prove that you are misleading.

you've been lied to by the climate denialists....routinely and repeatedly. If you want to get getting your "science" information from rightwing blogs, fine. You also were easily fooled into supporting the bogus Iraq War.

I'm not as easily fooled, or as scientifically illiterate as you.

I see you're into attacking the poster, instead of refuting the information.

 

[Cypress]

I see you're into attacking the poster, instead of refuting the information.

Sheesh, you didn't ever read my post did you?

The scientist that you linked to says he doesn't dispute that human green house emissions are contributing to climate change.

YOUR OWN scientist disputes your flat earth, denialist bullshit

 

[USFREEDOM911]

Sheesh, you didn't ever read my post did you?

The scientist that you linked to says he doesn't dispute that human green house emissions are contributing to climate change.

YOUR OWN scientist disputes your flat earth, denialist bullshit

His inclusion that man is contributing, does not cement the idea that it's caused by man.
What about his presentation that the underwater eruptions are what are causing the oceans to heat up and therefore a cause of the global warming??

Or did you decide to just dismiss this; because it doesn't fit your agenda of "man=bad"?

 

[Cypress]

His inclusion that man is contributing, does not cement the idea that it's caused by man.
What about his presentation that the underwater eruptions are what are causing the oceans to heat up and therefore a cause of the global warming??

Or did you decide to just dismiss this; because it doesn't fit your agenda of "man=bad"?

Doesn't "cement????


HaHa, the backpedaling begins!

Look bro', I can't waste my time debating someone who posted a link thinking it supported your position, when it turned out the the very scientist you linked to supports the conclusion that human emissions are contributing to climate change.

YOUR OWN scientist, disputes your denialist bullshit, and you have egg on your face.

Continue to backpedal and move the goal posts if you must. Like I said, flat earth denialists like you routinely buy the lies and you are just emotionally invested at this point in denying climate change. History will probably judge you and your fellow teabaggers quite harshly.


Have fun with your rightwing "science" blogs, I can't waste my time on this

 

[NOVA]

Here's the problem when you post stuff you found from a rightwing blog in the hopes you can pass your bullshit off.

Somebody who is literate in science might actually go to a the actual website from the actual institute that did the study, and prove that you are misleading.

you've been lied to by the climate denialists....routinely and repeatedly. If you want to get getting your "science" information from rightwing blogs, fine. You also were easily fooled into supporting the bogus Iraq War.

I'm not as easily fooled, or as scientifically illiterate as you.

You seem to forget its YOU that has been lied to by climate scientists for years...the recent email scandal didn't penetrate your think skull yet ?

I think it's a combination of scientific ignorance, and also just sheer emotion on the part of wingnuts. As with their Iraq war, they appear to be unable to publicly admit they were wrong. I don't know why they do that. I've always suspected that they are insecure in themselves, and admitting they were wrong to liberals would be some kind of traumatic experience for them. But that's up to psychologists to explain

YOUR 'evidence' was bogus, false, faked, etc. It was bullshit... GET IT...?
It has not been proven man is responsible for climate change....climate change has been going on for thousands, millions, of years...no one denies that fact, and never has denied it....

The debate is not over.
There is no consensus.
There is no agreement on if the rise of co2 is a cause or and effect...
The jury is still out....

 

[Damocles]

Doesn't "cement????


HaHa, the backpedaling begins!

Look bro', I can't waste my time debating someone who posted a link thinking it supported your position, when it turned out the the very scientist you linked to supports the conclusion that human emissions are contributing to climate change.

YOUR OWN scientist, disputes your denialist bullshit, and you have egg on your face.

Continue to backpedal and move the goal posts if you must. Like I said, flat earth denialists like you routinely buy the lies and you are just emotionally invested at this point in denying climate change. History will probably judge you and your fellow teabaggers quite harshly.


Have fun with your rightwing "science" blogs, I can't waste my time on this

Seriously? This is your actual argument? Splitting hairs on one word of his post?

A contribution to anything does not make something. Let's say you contributed $50 to Obama's election funds, does that mean that you are the cause that his funds continued to grow into epic proportions?

 

[USFREEDOM911]

Doesn't "cement????


HaHa, the backpedaling begins!

Look bro', I can't waste my time debating someone who posted a link thinking it supported your position, when it turned out the the very scientist you linked to supports the conclusion that human emissions are contributing to climate change.

YOUR OWN scientist, disputes your denialist bullshit, and you have egg on your face.

Continue to backpedal and move the goal posts if you must. Like I said, flat earth denialists like you routinely buy the lies and you are just emotionally invested at this point in denying climate change. History will probably judge you and your fellow teabaggers quite harshly.


Have fun with your rightwing "science" blogs, I can't waste my time on this

The backpedaling appears to be on you and your fellow warmers.
No one is saying that mankind is "contributing"; but warmers like you, want to try and say that man is entirely at fault and the only contributer.

Care to explain why the cry went from "GLOBAL WARMING" to "CLIMATE CHANGE"??

When you get done scraping that egg off of your own mug; you may want to heat it up, before it freezes.

 

[Topspin]

You seem to forget its YOU that has been lied to by climate scientists for years...the recent email scandal didn't penetrate your think skull yet ?




YOUR 'evidence' was bogus, false, faked, etc. It was bullshit... GET IT...?
It has not been proven man is responsible for climate change....climate change has been going on for thousands, millions, of years...no one denies that fact, and never has denied it....

The debate is not over.
There is no consensus.
There is no agreement on if the rise of co2 is a cause or and effect...
The jury is still out....

think skull bravo really

 

[Cancel 2016.2]

The backpedaling appears to be on you and your fellow warmers.
No one is saying that mankind is "contributing"; but warmers like you, want to try and say that man is entirely at fault and the only contributer.

Care to explain why the cry went from "GLOBAL WARMING" to "CLIMATE CHANGE"??

When you get done scraping that egg off of your own mug; you may want to heat it up, before it freezes.

Actually, the flat earth fearmongers like Cypress refuse to admit that there is a scandal.
They refuse to admit that the data does not back up their claims.

They refuse to admit that their 'global warming (I mean climate change) champions' lied to them.

They refuse to admit their champions have tried repeatedly to suppress opposing views.

they refuse to admit their 'champions' believe in HIDING their data rather than allowing anyone to actually review it.

They refuse to admit their 'champions' destroy data that supposedly supports their view because it was 'too hard to store'.

They simply believe that if they shout it long enough people will believe them.

Unfortunately for them, the truth is now coming to light. More and more scientists are disputing what the frauds like Mann and Hansen have been propagating for decades. Because you see... if the government is behind the funding of these idiots, well then... it must be true... because the governments of the world would never lie to us... right?

So NO... the fearmongers do not back pedal... they just keep yelling.... THE WORLD IS FLAT

 

[USFREEDOM911]

Actually, the flat earth fearmongers like Cypress refuse to admit that there is a scandal.
They refuse to admit that the data does not back up their claims.

They refuse to admit that their 'global warming (I mean climate change) champions' lied to them.

They refuse to admit their champions have tried repeatedly to suppress opposing views.

they refuse to admit their 'champions' believe in HIDING their data rather than allowing anyone to actually review it.

They refuse to admit their 'champions' destroy data that supposedly supports their view because it was 'too hard to store'.

They simply believe that if they shout it long enough people will believe them.

Unfortunately for them, the truth is now coming to light. More and more scientists are disputing what the frauds like Mann and Hansen have been propagating for decades. Because you see... if the government is behind the funding of these idiots, well then... it must be true... because the governments of the world would never lie to us... right?

So NO... the fearmongers do not back pedal... they just keep yelling.... THE WORLD IS FLAT

NOW, THAT'S A BURN

 

[NOVA]

think skull bravo really

I didn't want to hurt his feelings....I'm turning over a new leaf, as they say.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Let ME explain what's going on....

The planet Earth is billions of years old, it has had extremely hot temperatures and extremely cold temperatures. There were times where the CO2 concentration in the atmosphere was much higher, and there have been times where it was much lower as well. The average mean temperature on Earth has risen approximately 1 degree in the past 100 years, and CO2 concentration has increased about 30%.

There are hundreds of scientists and environmental activists who are making considerably good money by basically terrorizing stupid people into believing man is causing the increased CO2, which is causing the effect of warming the planet, because CO2 is a "greenhouse gas." But we know from 7th grade science class, CO2 is only one of several "greenhouse gases" and not even the most prevalent one. Simple water vapor constitutes about 90% of the "greenhouse gases." And oh by the way, without greenhouse gases, we would not have the greenhouse effect, and no life could be sustained on the planet.

But these scientists and activist have so much at stake, and so much invested in this nonsense, they simply have to keep pushing it... even when their keystone evidence for the whole theory is found to be fraudulent. And they can rely and depend on empty-headed vapid little quislings like yourself, to do their bidding.

And that's the scoop on it Chicklet!

Sorry to inform you, but if you leave out the FACTS that: In the last 200 years you have had an exponential increase in the removal of the very system that exchanges CO2 to oxygen (forests) and then INCREASE the amount of artificially created CO2 emissions (cars, industrial smokestacks, commercial planes), plus increases in urbanization (replacing grass, trees, plants, shrubs, lakes, swamps, etc. with concreted and glass). Then add onto to that during deforestation by man, you in some cases BURN forest area, which releases more CO2....and essentially your myopic and short sighted take on CO2 is rendered useless.

Bottom line: you didn't even READ the information provided in the link...which is why you regurgitated this oft debunked mantra by neocon dupes. Seems once again, the only intellectually lightweight "chicklet" here is YOU. Carry on.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
With the recent spate of intense snowstorms around the country (with the nation's capital currently in the spotlight)....the global warming deniers once again erroneously trumpet that these type of storms are PROOF that "global warming" doesn't exist. Thing is, increasing severe climate changes of all kinds is actually PART of the global warming phenomena...deniers just ASSUME that Warming is just like you turning up the heat in your house. That's not quite how it works.

Here's a site where a gentleman takes the time to put together the links that give a better explanation of what's going on.

http://climateprogress.org/2010/02/1...en-predicting/

How do you know that we're not starting another Ice Age??

Because I read ALL the available material, pro and con, and then come to a rational and logical conclusion. Also, I don't use an incorrect prediction that's over 30 years old and has LONG since been proven wrong by the current environmental scientists (as it was disagreed by others 30 years ago) as a final determiner.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Fuck that, dems are getting really funny on this one. Next we'll hear that years of cooling are part of CLIMATE CHANGE too.

What kills me the most is, too many turbolibs have carbon footprints the size of Godzilla. To the cooler's, if you fly accross country or annually to Europe to get your travel bug on. STFU I don't want to hear from you.

Yes, yes...that's all very nice. Now, after you calm down, you might want to READ the information provided in the link as thoroughly as you can. Then, if you can actually discuss the details, it may off set this rant of yours.

 

[Taichiliberal]

global warming does not mean that there will not be temperatures below freezing in areas away from the equator. the fact remains that the surface temperature of the earth is rising... and when the globe is warmer, more water evaporates from the oceans, and when there is more water in the atmosphere, it turns into snow when the temperature drops below freezing. people who say that snow storms in northern (or southern) latitudes disproves global warming only serve to disprove their own assertions as to their own intelligence.

 

[Taichiliberal]

This is actually one issue where everyone is wrong.

The right is never more hilarious as when a cold spell or snowstorm comes around, and they start chirping "some global warming!" like a group of parrots. It seems impossibly stupid that they could have such a limited understanding of the issue.

As far as those on the left who push for new emissions standards & other mandates: first, there is no way to ever conclusively prove that man contributes significantly to the warming we are seeing. Second, even if we could prove that, none of the measures being proposed, or even measures that would be 10x more extreme, would make an iota of difference.

Put it this way.....the significant damage that has been done to the planet via global urbanization, industrialization and deforestation can be significantly reduced and in some cases reversed. The bottom line is, you have to have a consensus to try.....and as greed is a major factor to how societies are run, that is a hard goal to reach. Case in point, the folk who run the oil companies and nuke plants are committed to keeping things on that path...period. Which is why you have the absurd hoop-la as you described.

And as for measurement of the human contribution to the problem....just check out the size reduction of the major rainforests in the world in the last 100 years, for starters.

 

[NOVA]

Put it this way.....the significant damage that has been done to the planet via global urbanization, industrialization and deforestation can be significantly reduced and in some cases reversed. The bottom line is, you have to have a consensus to try.....and as greed is a major factor to how societies are run, that is a hard goal to reach. Case in point, the folk who run the oil companies and nuke plants are committed to keeping things on that path...period. Which is why you have the absurd hoop-la as you described.

And as for measurement of the human contribution to the problem....just check out the size reduction of the major rainforests in the world in the last 100 years, for starters.

crapman strikes again....rain forests have come and gone just like deserts have come and gone and seas and oceans have come and gone and ice caps and glaziers have come and gone on this planet over the course of millions of years.....with nary a gas guzzling SUV in sight....we're doomed....

 

[Taichiliberal]

I am all for finding each and every way possible to reduce pollution. That said, the fear mongering from the left on 'Man is a causin the destruction of the world' is nothing more than a money grab. They want billions more pumped into their bogus studies...

Bottom line... REAL Scientists release their data so that it can actually be scrutinized. They do not hide the data and say 'just trust us'.

The so called 'scientists' leading the charge on AGW have done far more harm to the environment than anyone. Because by hiding their data and in some cases appearing to falsify the data, they provide ammunition to their opponents to use against even legitimate environmental concerns.

The extreme environmentalists are the same way. They block our ability to drill our own oil and nat gas... which is stupid when you think about it. Not only from the economic side (we keeps the jobs and money HERE, rather than sending it to another country), but also from the environmental side. WE control the environmental regulations of oil and nat gas production when it is produced HERE. We have little to no control when it is produced elsewhere. So what sense does it make to not drill? As long as we are using oil and nat gas... it makes sense for us to produce it.

Add in the fact that if we produce it HERE, we can also tax it here and use the tax revenues to fund alt/clean energy R&D.

Sorry, but it's the oil business lobby that promotes the very viewpoint you have of ANY environmental scientist that dares to point out the flaws of "staying the course" with regards to our energy needs.

Case in point....the oil industry screamed bloody murder for YEARS when they were told to just clean up their acts regarding environmental impact. The Exxon Valdez disaster could have been avoided HAD EXXON MERELY INSTALLED ADDITIONAL NAVIGATION EQUIPMENT AND/OR PAID LOCAL CITIZENS TO MAN AN OBSERVATION POST IN THE AREA. Corporations went to court saying, "oh yeah, well PROVE that it was emissions from my plant that contributed to killing that lake with acid rain, and THEN I'll apply cleaner emission standards".

Yes, you have had controversy over 1 (ONE) group of scientist and their information (the jury is STILL out on that, despite all the supposition and conjecture and foregone conclusions).

The "drill baby drill" attitude isn't cutting it, because if we as a nation CONTINUE ON THE SAME PATH of energy consumption, even the fabled Anwar drilling would result in less supply than the amount of years, damage to the area and time/money to extract the oil.

There are alternatives...but people are selfish and greedy.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by maineman
global warming does not mean that there will not be temperatures below freezing in areas away from the equator. the fact remains that the surface temperature of the earth is rising... and when the globe is warmer, more water evaporates from the oceans, and when there is more water in the atmosphere, it turns into snow when the temperature drops below freezing. people who say that snow storms in northern (or southern) latitudes disproves global warming only serve to disprove their own assertions as to their own intelligence.

global cooling does not mean that there will not be temperatures above freezing in areas closer from the equator. the fact remains that the surface temperature of the earth is stable, in worldly terms... and when the globe is cooler, less water evaporates from the oceans, and when there is less water in the atmosphere, it does not turn into snow when the temperature rises above freezing. people who say that warm weather, in northern (or southern) latitudes disproves global cooling only serve to disprove their own assertions as to their own intelligence.

All you've done is just reverse what the man said....and by doing so you make no logical (or common) sense at all.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
With the recent spate of intense snowstorms around the country (with the nation's capital currently in the spotlight)....the global warming deniers once again erroneously trumpet that these type of storms are PROOF that "global warming" doesn't exist. Thing is, increasing severe climate changes of all kinds is actually PART of the global warming phenomena...deniers just ASSUME that Warming is just like you turning up the heat in your house. That's not quite how it works.

Here's a site where a gentleman takes the time to put together the links that give a better explanation of what's going on.

http://climateprogress.org/2010/02/1...en-predicting/

I think it's a combination of scientific ignorance, and also just sheer emotion on the part of wingnuts. As with their Iraq war, they appear to be unable to publicly admit they were wrong. I don't know why they do that. I've always suspected that they are insecure in themselves, and admitting they were wrong to liberals would be some kind of traumatic experience for them. But that's up to psychologists to explain

NASA Website:

2009: Second Warmest Year on Record; End of Warmest Decade
01.21.10

2009 was tied for the second warmest year in the modern record, a new NASA analysis of global surface temperature shows. The analysis, conducted by the Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) in New York City, also shows that in the Southern Hemisphere, 2009 was the warmest year since modern records began in 1880.

Although 2008 was the coolest year of the decade -- due to strong cooling of the tropical Pacific Ocean -- 2009 saw a return to near-record global temperatures. The past year was only a fraction of a degree cooler than 2005, the warmest year on record, and tied with a cluster of other years -- 1998, 2002, 2003, 2006 and 2007 -- as the second warmest year since recordkeeping began

http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/fea...ysis-2009.html

Put it this way: in my home area you had after 76 years of GOP rule replaced in an election....the reason being because BOTH counties were near bankruptcy and the GOP answers was, "Well, we'll just continue as usual by cutting services and raise your taxes". A senior citizen and long time GOP voter stated, "well, if that's what we have to do to perserve our lifestyle, so be it". So either she was financially secure and thereby unaffected or willing to risk personal financial devestation because she felt change was a "threat" to her lifestyle....sort of like if the captain of the Titanic KNEW the voyage was doomed, but wouldn't change the course because he just couldn't stand admitting fault to those who would threaten the life style of the shipping line, the crew, passengers, etc., etc.