George W. Bush is a 'God'

Jarod said:
That is not what you were asking on a cite about, however Ill find one on that also. Funny how you change your argument once I prove my case.
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Are you going to admit you were lying Jarod? YOU are the one that is trying to change the argument. Not me.
 
Superfreak said:
LMAO... you are NOT talking about economics Jarod. You are trying to use data that you don't understand because you think it makes your point. The data does NOT support your claim that the recession was worse. Period. The economy was FAR sicker then that it was in 2007. Period.

The problem Jarod is that Obama didn't focus on the economy. He instead tried to ram Obama care down our throats. He ignored the economy for over a year Jarod. THAT is a large reason we saw such a delay in recovery. Add in the fact that he spent (I mean 'invested) the bulk of the stimulus money in handouts to public sector workers and it is clear why this 'recovery' has been so abysmal.
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SF: Maybe if you provided some data to support your position it would be clear to the rest of us. What data doesn't support Jarod's position? What data shows that the economy was "far sicker?"
 
Dungheap said:
SF: Maybe if you provided some data to support your position it would be clear to the rest of us. What data doesn't support Jarod's position? What data shows that the economy was "far sicker?"
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Do you really need me to repost the inflation data? The length of time unemployment was high in the 70's relative to today PRIOR to the official recession?

Also... I HAVE provided data to show he was wrong on his original claim (that Reagan's recovery took over three years). Yet he ignored that. So why should I bother? He is just going to ignore it.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
and I'm old enough to have survived the Carter presidency.....there was good reason to blame him.....the difference is, Reagan fixed the terrible economy and by the time for re-election every state but Minnesota voted for him......you think that will happen this year?.....



Reagan did it.....
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Depends, if they nominate Newton, I suspect that every state in the nation, save Georgia, is likely to vote for the President.
 
Who said he "controls the economy?"

That would be weird.

But, he did preside over the biggest crash we've seen in decades, which certainly sent out economy into turmoil for the years that followed.
 
Jarod said:
Are you so ADD that you cant you follow along the thread of a discussion for more than 30 seconds.

The cite was to show that the recession was one of the worst ever, and that the recovery has been proportional.
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but the site didn't prove the recession was one of the worst ever and it didn't show recovery has been proportional.......it showed the recession was not the worst, but that the recovery was.....
 
PostmodernProphet said:
but the site didn't prove the recession was one of the worst ever and it didn't show recovery has been proportional.......it showed the recession was not the worst, but that the recovery was.....
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Uh, yes it did, are you really that unintelegent that you cant read simple charts....
 
Jarod said:
Uh, yes it did, are you really that unintelegent that you cant read simple charts....
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Seriously, you should not be questioning others 'intelegents' when it comes to economics or reading those charts. Because you clearly have no clue as to what they mean.
 
Superfreak said:
1) Brazil, Russia (USSR then) India and China all existed in 1981.
2) The countries that comprise the Euro also existed in 1981.
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1) The BRIC countries obviously existed individually but their emergence as serious economic powers didn't happen until fairly recently. In fact, apart from China, they were all basket cases a decade ago.

2) The name euro was officially adopted on 16 December 1995.[SUP][8][/SUP] The euro was introduced to world financial markets as an accounting currency on 1 January 1999, replacing the former European Currency Unit (ECU) at a ratio of 1:1. Euro coins and banknotes entered circulation on 1 January 2002.[SUP][9][/SUP]
 
Aoxomoxoa said:
1) The BRIC countries obviously existed individually but their emergence as serious economic powers didn't happen until fairly recently. In fact, apart from China, they were all basket cases a decade ago.
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Hmm... back in 1981, the USSR was one of two super powers. But I know... we should just ignore that right?

Bottom line, while the counterbalance to the US may have changed, one still existed. The US has become MORE dominant economically relative to the rest of the world, not less since 1981. China has also become far more relevant than they were, as have Brazil and India. Now tell us what any of these has to do with the lack of recovery in the US.

2) The name euro was officially adopted on 16 December 1995.[SUP][8][/SUP] The euro was introduced to world financial markets as an accounting currency on 1 January 1999, replacing the former European Currency Unit (ECU) at a ratio of 1:1. Euro coins and banknotes entered circulation on 1 January 2002.[SUP][9][/SUP]
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Yes. As I stated, the countries that formed the Euro existed in 1981. So what is your point? Are you suggesting that the currency change is the reason Obama can't get the economy to recover? I know that is one of the million excuses Obama uses as to why its 'not his fault' or 'its out of his control', but is it reality when it comes to our recovery?
 
Superfreak said:
Hmm... back in 1981, the USSR was one of two super powers. But I know... we should just ignore that right?

Bottom line, while the counterbalance to the US may have changed, one still existed. The US has become MORE dominant economically relative to the rest of the world, not less since 1981. China has also become far more relevant than they were, as have Brazil and India. Now tell us what any of these has to do with the lack of recovery in the US.



Yes. As I stated, the countries that formed the Euro existed in 1981. So what is your point? Are you suggesting that the currency change is the reason Obama can't get the economy to recover? I know that is one of the million excuses Obama uses as to why its 'not his fault' or 'its out of his control', but is it reality when it comes to our recovery?
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I'm sure that you know that many jobs are being exported to the BRIC countries, I don't remember many jobs going to the Soviet Union in the '80s. Europe is also suffering a huge sovereign debt crisis because of the Euro which is why a new recession is about to occur, if it hasn't already.
 
Aoxomoxoa said:
I'm sure that you know that many jobs are being exported to the BRIC countries, I don't remember many jobs going to the Soviet Union in the '80s. Europe is also suffering a huge sovereign debt crisis because of the Euro which is why a new recession is about to occur, if it hasn't already.
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Do tell... how many US jobs have been shipped overseas since Obama took office? How many under his watch have gone overseas?

Jobs going overseas are if anything yet another reason we need real change in DC. (not that we are going to get it with either party)

That said... tell us... why would the jobs go overseas?
 
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