gas prices explode overnight - $4.19/gallon

I'll just leave this here.


gemini104104 said:
Gas prices will fall below $3 per gallon in 2022, government projections say.

Despite repukes, their brainwashed and ignorant supporters and the anti-Biden media spewing out misguided and bogus claims at blaming President Biden for fluctuations in gas prices, it is projected that gas prices will decline, and even though it's not a president that sets gas prices for the following reasons: "The price of gasoline is made up of four factors: taxes, distribution and marketing, the cost of refining, and crude oil prices. Of these four factors, the price of crude oil accounts for nearly 70% of the price you pay at the pump, so when they fluctuate (as they often do), we see the effects." President Biden deserves vindication against a mob of idiots who conspire in heinous and recklessness to fart out libelous forms of lies, disinformation and common bullshit against the legitimate Biden administration, Democracy and civilization. Yet the tRump sewer conspiring dogs of intentional misinformation are always on board to kiss the ass of lawlessly hacked in tRump squatter and criminal against humanity. This in order to attack the integrity of the Biden Administration and play their tRump poisoned base as suckers who prey on their stupidity and ignorance to believe what these faux media type sources feed them. This includes tRump's brainwashed base who continue to die off as a result of falling victim to their own anti vax and anti-mask idiocy as a result of the un-American media and other types of insanity that corrupts the minds of many, which is uncivilized, un-American and unGodly:

Across the country, Americans may see lower gas prices at the pump in 2022.

On Tuesday, the U.S. Energy and Information Administration projected that retail gasoline prices would average $3.13 per gallon in December before falling to $3.01 per gallon in January.

The EIA expects prices to continue to drop, forecasting the annual, national average to be $2.88 per gallon in 2022.

To put the incoming estimates into perspective, according to the EIA:

November U.S. retail gasoline prices were the highest seen since September 2014.
At an average of $3.39 per gallon in November, prices at the pump increased by 10 cents per gallon since October and $1.29 per gallon since November 2020.
The annual average for 2020 was $2.18 per gallon, in comparison to $2.60 per gallon in 2019 and a projected average of $3.00 for 2021."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2021/12/08/gas-price-drop-expected-2022/6430657001/
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dukkha said:
you dont do context do you?
What is the purpose of that idiot's post? it's not there in situ.. you might as well be posting Trump lost millions of jobs in 202o. without context of his 3 previous years it's meant to deceive

Im not arguing the article is factual, im arguing it has no place in debate of energy prices/production
Did you miss the stats I gave you for his first 3 years of Bbl?

apparently so as this is your "conclusion"

dont rant - use context.
In context of increasing productions and lowering prices the first 3 years were a rousing success

why you choose to latch on to a stat that was posted to mislead is your problem
Dont shove it in my face as proof of ANYTHING except COVID's effect on the economy in 2020
the year of that article
Look at the stat I gave you for years 1-3 for a fuller picture

"figures dont lie but lairs figure" was the intent of that post.
if you want to buy into it -WTF do I care just dont expect me to be as gullible as you
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Okay, once more for the cheap seats:

- Post #88:Matt Dillon blames Biden solely for over $4/gal gas prices. Althea asks why did Trump halt American oil production.

- Posts #95, 102, 104; Althea links an article detailing Trump's proposed mandates that will cut US oil production in one of his "deals" to manipulate OPEC, Russia and Mexico regarding oil production and pricing. Dukkha excerpts part of that article to try and justify Trump's action and cast them in a light that does not contradict Dillon's assertion. I point to the TOTAL article that shows Trump was indeed NOT detailed or firm in his planning of his "deal. Dukkha's response is to assert that an article that is a year previous to Althea's makes Trump out to be the hero and Biden to be the villain. However, the 2019 DOES NOT address the Trump proposals in 2020. Period. Dukkha then proceeds to throw in all supposition and conjecture to support his bottom line. But the FACTS won't let him do it. Case in point:

America produced 11.185 million barrels of crude oil per day in 2021, compared with 11.283 million a year earlier under Trump. The amount produced in Biden’s first year exceeds the average daily amount produced under Trump from 2016 to 2018, according to data from the U.S. Energy Information Administration.
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https://www.politifact.com/factchec...s/oil-production-bidens-first-year-par-trump/

Facts essentially put Dukkha's "blame Covid, not Trump" out to pasture, because Trump declared a state of emergency in March .... his oil proposal came a month later.
Easily checked time lines.

Then Dukkha throws reality out the window when he says Althea's article bears no consequence on a debate about oil production/prices. :whoa: That had to be either the most ignorant or most foolish statement to date on this subject, given the history of OPEC and the affect of withholding oil production on the open market. This is as I said, an typical example of MAGA stubbornness the devolves into absurdity.

- Dukkha's last few paragraphs just double down on what I've deconstructed above. FACTS vs. BELIEF....something Trump chumps are want to treat the later like the former, and will stubbornly twist like pretzels to make it appear so to the point of insipidness. Sad.

As I've said before, the "all Biden's fault" mantra by the Trump chumps just doesn't stand up to scrutiny ... no matter how many times they parrot it.
 
dukkha said:
Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
Okay, once more for the cheap seats: ( we had a cheapseats poster for awhile

Posts #95, 102, 104; Althea links an article detailing Trump's proposed mandates that will cut US oil production in one of his "deals" to manipulate OPEC, Russia and Mexico regarding oil production and pricing. Dukkha excerpts part of that article to try and justify Trump's action and cast them in a light that does not contradict Dillon's assertion. I point to the TOTAL article that shows Trump was indeed NOT detailed or firm in his planning of his "deal. Dukkha's response is to assert that an article that is a year previous to Althea's makes Trump out to be the hero and Biden to be the villain. However, the 2019 DOES NOT address the Trump proposals in 2020. Period. Dukkha then proceeds to throw in all supposition and conjecture to support his bottom line. But the FACTS won't let him do it. Case in point:

America produced 11.185 million barrels of crude oil per day in 2021, compared with 11.283 million a year earlier under Trump. The amount produced in Biden’s first year exceeds the average daily amount produced under Trump from 2016 to 2018, according to data from the U.S. Energy Information Administration.
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https://www.politifact.com/factcheck...ear-par-trump/

Facts essentially put Dukkha's "blame Covid, not Trump" out to pasture, because Trump declared a state of emergency in March .... his oil proposal came a month later.
Easily checked time lines.

Then Dukkha throws reality out the window when he says Althea's article bears no consequence on a debate about oil production/prices. That had to be either the most ignorant or most foolish statement to date on this subject, given the history of OPEC and the affect of withholding oil production on the open market. This is as I said, an typical example of MAGA stubbornness the devolves into absurdity.
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Great Buddha - you wrote a novel
(and I still can't believe you would go back and read and interpret those posts to construct your narrative)
but it s said "the moving finger writes, and having writ moves on"
Let us dispatch of this nonsense once and for all

Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
1. Althea links an article detailing Trump's proposed mandates that will cut US oil production in one of his "deals" to manipulate OPEC, Russia and Mexico regarding oil production and pricing.
2. Dukkha excerpts part of that article to try and justify Trump's action and cast them in a light that does not contradict Dillon's assertion. I point to the TOTAL article that shows Trump was indeed NOT detailed or firm in his planning of his "deal.
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you have 2 ideas here:
1. I am not disputing or redacting out of context Althea's link.
I showed the date as it was over a year ago, when the demand was completely different then today.
So -why post that in terms of todays markets with booming demand as some political point that Trump reduced production ?? It's pettifogging or gaslighting the issue of Bidens policies - completely different set of factors

I gave you the data for the previous 3 years when Trump expanded oil production
Trump was talking to other producer leaders to do a soft landing by coordinating the falling demand
Thats detailed enough it didn't wreck the extraction industry and allowed for v shaped output as demand rebounded
You dont get the idea the figures I gave were up to the time of lockdown.and the projected 2nd quarter

It's hilarious you are conflating production under Biden 2021 with a well recovering economy to Trump going into lockdown after having successfully led an oil boom We are maxed out production - why you see these numbers now.
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The point is we should have been pumping more from Alaska, and not told banks they have to pay penalries for carbon footprint offset when they deal with oil companies. etc

Oh and Biden added an additional layer in the permitting process (have to search this if you want a cite)
stopped new leasing on federal lands and no expanding drilling as a result

Then Biden,, a year after taking away tax breaks as well ( so called subsidies) says "Putin did it" :palm:
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Thanks for proving what an insipidly stubborn MAGA gasbag you are, Dookie old boy. Kind of stupid of you to mock my response as a "novel" when essentially you do the same thing in length (but with no valid documentation).

All you've done is just double down on your myopic version of history (chock full of supposition and conjecture) and then ignore what you don't like. Then you just throw in the usual "Biden did it" parroting you MAGA mooks love to to. Rehashing your screeds in this fashion only means something to you and your like minded brethren ...doesn't change the content of my post one iota, as it documents FACTS and timelines.

I don't "conflate" anything, toodles, the articles I posted STATES A FACT. You just don't like the FACTS and the timeline that disproves your claims...your personal guesswork and wishful thinking aside (hysterical how you take a condescending attitude as you attempt to explain/revise what I post...pit the FACTS make you to be pontificating jackass). This BS about Trump "leading" an oil boom is just that...BS. Previous posts confirms this, but if there are those still on the fence about this, here's little ditty from FORBES (no liberal publication by any means) that should further bury Old Dookie's dump...note the timelines and stats in the article as well as the explanation:


Who then is responsible for what was — at least before the Covid-19 pandemic — the highest oil and natural gas production in U.S. history? President Obama? President Bush? President Trump?

None of the above. The person most responsible is the late George Mitchell, who is generally considered the “Father of Fracking.” It was hydraulic fracturing that enabled the enormous growth rates of oil and natural gas production over the past 15 years. Who was president was largely irrelevant. Hence, we see oil production ironically decline under President Bush and surge under President Obama.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapie...oducer-under-president-trump/?sh=2cf9d83220dd



Also, when wonks like Dookie start editing another poster's previous response, you know they're on a losing slide. Althea's response to Dillon was on target...you can't logically or factually disprove it no matter how hard you try. You can't factually prove your Trump claim beyond a "should be" diatribe that can easily be picked apart. But Lord knows you MAGA minions NEVER admit error or stop parroting the SOS six ways to Sunday. Carry on.
 
The Chronology of the Posts™ positively proves that TaiChiLiberal AKA Touchy-Feely Liberal has lost another debate.
 
dukkha said:
I filled up yesterday after work. it was $3.73.
that's 46 cents increase in 1 day

fuck the Russians, fuck Ukraine and Fuck Biden -this is serious hurt for working people

when Trump left it was around $2.50
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Consider some facts over this whining about gas prices in America, and also consider getting a electric powered automobile to which the savings on gas is there when one can charge their car with a 300 mile range for free. Also, currently compared to other countries, America still has the lowest gas prices even at over $4 per gallon:

WORLD NEWS

Are gas prices going up around the world? Which countries have the highest gas prices?
The cost of a gallon of gasoline has soared in the United States but Americans are not the only ones to experience pain at the pumps due to the Russian invasion.

As it stands, Global Petrol Prices lists the following as the countries with the most expensive average gallon of gasoline in the world:

Hong Kong - $10.72

Norway - $10.19

Denmark - $9.09

Liechtenstein - $8.95

Sweden - $8.69

Netherlands - $8.65

Finland - $8.46

Israel - $8.36

Singapore - $8.30

Germany - $8.26

With a current national average of $4.33 per gallon, gasoline prices in the United States are far lower than many other nations who impose large taxes on fossil fuels to discourage their use. Norway in particular is notable because it is one of very few oil-producing nations which levies high taxes on gasoline.

"The prices here in the U.S. are lower than many prices seen around the globe at the pump… The highest is in Hong Kong, there you see $10.72,"
https://en.as.com/en/2022/03/12/latest_news/1647060019_031633.html
 
gemini104104 said:
Consider some facts over this whining about gas prices in America, and also consider getting a electric powered automobile to which the savings on gas is there when one can charge their car with a 300 mile range for free. Also, currently compared to other countries, America still has the lowest gas prices even at over $4 per gallon:

WORLD NEWS

Are gas prices going up around the world? Which countries have the highest gas prices?
The cost of a gallon of gasoline has soared in the United States but Americans are not the only ones to experience pain at the pumps due to the Russian invasion.

As it stands, Global Petrol Prices lists the following as the countries with the most expensive average gallon of gasoline in the world:

Hong Kong - $10.72

Norway - $10.19

Denmark - $9.09

Liechtenstein - $8.95

Sweden - $8.69

Netherlands - $8.65

Finland - $8.46

Israel - $8.36

Singapore - $8.30

Germany - $8.26

With a current national average of $4.33 per gallon, gasoline prices in the United States are far lower than many other nations who impose large taxes on fossil fuels to discourage their use. Norway in particular is notable because it is one of very few oil-producing nations which levies high taxes on gasoline.

"The prices here in the U.S. are lower than many prices seen around the globe at the pump… The highest is in Hong Kong, there you see $10.72,"
https://en.as.com/en/2022/03/12/latest_news/1647060019_031633.html
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Americans don't give a fuck what other countries pay for gas. We care about what WE pay, and it's increasing weekly, if not daily.

FJB
 
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gemini104104 said:
Consider some facts over this whining about gas prices in America, and also consider getting a electric powered automobile to which the savings on gas is there when one can charge their car with a 300 mile range for free. Also, currently compared to other countries, America still has the lowest gas prices even at over $4 per gallon:

WORLD NEWS

Are gas prices going up around the world? Which countries have the highest gas prices?
The cost of a gallon of gasoline has soared in the United States but Americans are not the only ones to experience pain at the pumps due to the Russian invasion.

As it stands, Global Petrol Prices lists the following as the countries with the most expensive average gallon of gasoline in the world:

Hong Kong - $10.72

Norway - $10.19

Denmark - $9.09

Liechtenstein - $8.95

Sweden - $8.69

Netherlands - $8.65

Finland - $8.46

Israel - $8.36

Singapore - $8.30

Germany - $8.26

Peoples Republic of California $5.75

With a current national average of $4.33 per gallon, gasoline prices in the United States are far lower than many other nations who impose large taxes on fossil fuels to discourage their use. Norway in particular is notable because it is one of very few oil-producing nations which levies high taxes on gasoline.

"The prices here in the U.S. are lower than many prices seen around the globe at the pump… The highest is in Hong Kong, there you see $10.72,"
https://en.as.com/en/2022/03/12/latest_news/1647060019_031633.html
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FIFY
 
gemini104104 said:
Consider some facts over this whining about gas prices in America, and also consider getting a electric powered automobile to which the savings on gas is there when one can charge their car with a 300 mile range for free. Also, currently compared to other countries, America still has the lowest gas prices even at over $4 per gallon:

WORLD NEWS

Are gas prices going up around the world? Which countries have the highest gas prices?
The cost of a gallon of gasoline has soared in the United States but Americans are not the only ones to experience pain at the pumps due to the Russian invasion.

As it stands, Global Petrol Prices lists the following as the countries with the most expensive average gallon of gasoline in the world:

Hong Kong - $10.72

Norway - $10.19

Denmark - $9.09

Liechtenstein - $8.95

Sweden - $8.69

Netherlands - $8.65

Finland - $8.46

Israel - $8.36

Singapore - $8.30

Germany - $8.26

With a current national average of $4.33 per gallon, gasoline prices in the United States are far lower than many other nations who impose large taxes on fossil fuels to discourage their use. Norway in particular is notable because it is one of very few oil-producing nations which levies high taxes on gasoline.

"The prices here in the U.S. are lower than many prices seen around the globe at the pump… The highest is in Hong Kong, there you see $10.72,"
https://en.as.com/en/2022/03/12/latest_news/1647060019_031633.html
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True enough, but it's all relative because the folk just making ends meet in America go by their paychecks and not what goes on around the world. So yeah, American's bitching about gas prices is legit. And EVERYONE can point the finger of blame at SPECULATION, not actual supply and demand.
 
Taichiliberal said:
And your point? Because the "all Biden's fault" BS has been thoroughly deconstructed. Also, Wall St. SPECULATION drives the price at the pump....NOT actual available oil supply.
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I am considering tracking here the national gas price average over the long haul, as a public service.
 
ExpressLane said:
Drilling requires investment and statements like these has a chilling effect on oil and gas investment for drilling.

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Which is why alternative energy and transportation sources are needed. You can't keep fucking up the environment and expect a quality of life to be maintained in order to keep the status quo of fossil fuel driven society. Add to that the corruptive forces behind Wall St. speculation, and change becomes imperative.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
And your point? Because the "all Biden's fault" BS has been thoroughly deconstructed. Also, Wall St. SPECULATION drives the price at the pump....NOT actual available oil supply.
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I am considering tracking here the national gas price average over the long haul, as a public service.
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You can get that through comparative observation of the numerous news services available in print or broadcasted through TV or radio. Just thought I'd save you the effort. Keep in mind how SPECULATION affects all of this. I just remember going through similar crap in the 1970's (don't be fuel-ish commercial) with oil shortages and "gluts". Remember, we were supposed to have reached "peak oil" production a few years back. So much for that.
 
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