Gallup Unemployment Reaches 10%

Damocles said:
I wonder if we'll hear about the "real" numbers like we used to back in the day when it was the "worst economy since the Great Depression" long before the downturn and unemployment was at 6% during the "jobless recovery"?Anyway, here's the link.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/143714/Gallup-Finds-Unemployment-Mid-October.aspx
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Did people say the Bush economy was the worst since the Depression?

All I really remember is Bushies saying for years that Bush inherited the downturn from Clinton....
 
Onceler said:
Did people say the Bush economy was the worst since the Depression?

All I really remember is Bushies saying for years that Bush inherited the downturn from Clinton....
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Yes, people said that. In fact somebody running for President said it in 2004. Can you guess who?
 
NigelTufnel said:
Quote it up, big dog.
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LOL. Jeebus he campaigned on it. Short memory Democrats...

Here are a few articles about it, many people got all bent about the characterization. He said it mostly about the jobs number, citing constantly that it was the "worst job growth since... (drumroll)... The Great Depression!" Strategists repeated it constantly, article after article from the 2004 election cycle covers it....

http://www.capitalismmagazine.com/index.php?news=3913

Here is a "top Democratic Strategist" repeating it, even though she was warned that it would not be useful much longer...

http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/6/13/103818.shtml

Here's what Factcheck had to say about the characterization:

http://factcheck.org/article298.html

Challengers don't often win when the economy is good, and so Kerry has systematically distorted, exaggerated and misstated facts about the economy under Bush. For more than a year, as far back as his speech Sept. 2, 2003 formally announcing himself as a candidate for the nomination, Kerry has been making bogus comparisons to the Great Depression, overstating the number of payroll jobs lost during Bush's tenure, and (once jobs started growing again last August) falsely claiming that the new jobs pay $9,000 less than those that were lost, a claim unsupported even by the evidence he cites from a pro-labor think tank.
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There's more, but at this point I think you get the idea and can even search using this string: Kerry "Worst economy since the great depression"...
 
To be fair, some did claim the job loss was the worst since the GD....but I'm not sure about the actual economy claim.
 
Oops, sorry Damo. That's what I get for thinking and posting. Going on memory for me is like going on empty.
 
And yeah, the "jobs" thing was part of the mantra. We'd hear that "real unemployment" is "always higher" than the reported unemployment. Now, those same people ignore the "real unemployment" and only cite the reported number while the other side suddenly understands that real unemployment can be very much higher than reported numbers.

The jobless recovery sucked for many people, but understating the current problem certainly doesn't make it better now for them. There was a promise with the Stimulus, not only hasn't it materialized, but even now the promised "shovel ready jobs" are now admittedly non-existent. Yet all we hear about is Bubba running around telling us we "...have to vote for Democrats. Have to." (yeah, that is a quote from his visit here).
 
Damocles said:
And yeah, the "jobs" thing was part of the mantra. We'd hear that "real unemployment" is "always higher" than the reported unemployment. Now, those same people ignore the "real unemployment" and only cite the reported number while the other side suddenly understands that real unemployment can be very much higher than reported numbers.

The jobless recovery sucked for many people, but understating the current problem certainly doesn't make it better now for them. There was a promise with the Stimulus, not only hasn't it materialized, but even now the promised "shovel ready jobs" are now admittedly non-existent. Yet all we hear about is Bubba running around telling us we "...have to vote for Democrats. Have to." (yeah, that is a quote from his visit here).
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My problems with Bush on the economy were twofold:

1) I didn't think he had an economic plan or vision, and I was basically right. "Cut taxes" is not a "plan." And the wild growth we were supposed to have experienced from those cuts never materialized.

2) Once Iraq kicked in, he had tunnel vision on foreign policy. He was a really bad domestic policy Prez from 2003 on; he seemed almost disinterested at times (imo).

To address your point above, if anything, the "real" # is probably worse now than it was during the Bush years (as it relates to the # that is reported). Where we disagree, as always, is the effect of the stimulus, and the effect of the bailouts. Trying to prove that, however, is like trying to prove what causes global warming.

No one will ever convince me that we wouldn't be in the teens on the reported #, with a stock market well below 10K, if it wasn't for the efforts the gov't made, both in the last few months of Bush's term & the beginning of Obama's term.
 
I think it's funny how Damo either lies about or "misremembers" Kerry's truthful statements that Bush was on track to be the first president since Herbert Hoover to have a net loss of jobs during his first term to argue that Kerry said that the economy was the worst since the Great Depression.

Of course, getting Damocles simply admit that he is in error and that John Kerry never once made the claim that "the economy was the worst since the Great Depression" will not likely happen.
 
NigelTufnel said:
I think it's funny how Damo either lies about or "misremembers" Kerry's truthful statements that Bush was on track to be the first president since Herbert Hoover to have a net loss of jobs during his first term to argue that Kerry said that the economy was the worst since the Great Depression.

Of course, getting Damocles simply admit that he is in error and that John Kerry never once made the claim that "the economy was the worst since the Great Depression" will not likely happen.
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I find it interesting how your selective memory won't allow you to just face up to the very real fact that he constantly (as factcheck said) pounded comparisons to the Great Depression and that it was a constant litany on p.com (yeah, that was all the way back when p.com was actually still in existence as a forum, before it was reborn, then once again died). I know you don't like that I was right, but this one is a no-brainer.
 
Damocles said:
I find it interesting how your selective memory won't allow you to just face up to the very real fact that he constantly (as factcheck said) pounded comparisons to the Great Depression and that it was a constant litany on p.com (yeah, that was all the way back when p.com was actually still in existence as a forum, before it was reborn, then once again died). I know you don't like that I was right, but this one is a no-brainer.
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The references were always restricted to job losses, not the economy as a whole. The two things are different, as I'm sure you are well aware.
 
2004-John Kerry... "America is still in the worst job recovery since the Great Depression..."

2006-Nancy Pelosi... "The President has the worst jobs record since the Great Depression..."
 
Damocles said:
I find it interesting how your selective memory won't allow you to just face up to the very real fact that he constantly (as factcheck said) pounded comparisons to the Great Depression and that it was a constant litany on p.com (yeah, that was all the way back when p.com was actually still in existence as a forum, before it was reborn, then once again died). I know you don't like that I was right, but this one is a no-brainer.
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It's going to take an Act of God to shake Nigey off your ankle.

Gallup is nothing more than a racist organization looking for ways to defame this president and all the good he has done this country under his watch.

Dirty rotten scoundrels!
 
Yurt said:
LOL...yeah...he is only talking about job losses, nothing about the economy

funniest hack statement of the day
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I think it's funny that being accurate is being a hack whereas lying about (or misremembering) what someone said is not.
 
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