ib1yysguy
Junior Member
Delicious irony.
ZOMG I'm so embarrassed I hit a key right next to another key!
From Nobel Prize Winning Economist Paul Krugman - The Big Dither
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ZOMG I'm so embarrassed I hit a key right next to another key!
DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
You'll get over it.
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
Just a tip .. no disrespect intended.
There is a difference between "your" and "you're"
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
You keep looking hundreds of years in the past for the way forward.
I'll keep moving forward.
What does "freedom" have to do with this .. other than it's an overused buzzword the right-wing, who has never been concerned about "freedom" for anyone other then white men, runs to hide behind when they have no argument .. just as you have.
AND, I don't give a rats ass about your fear of socialism. It's here in America, BEEN here in America, will alaways be here in America, and it's growing.
Wet your pants, throw a hissy-fit, vomit all over your computer .. I don't give a damn.
Topspin
Verified User
You don't know too many cajun's do you?
DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
I'm still waiting for your response to my earlier question. See post 129.
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
I have no problem with you believing that bullshit.
This nation was founded on the premise that white men ruled the world and all others, including white women, were merely slaves to do their bidding. "Indidvidual freedom" extended to white men only and subjugation, oppression, slavery, and genocide was the order of the day.
"Freedom", "liberty", and "justice" .. nothing more than a bullshit facade for the horror that took place underneath.
Fortunately, even in their dementia, many of the framers were intelligent visionaries and they knew even then that life and society are dynamic, not static. They knew the Constitution would be a living document and would morph as society changed .. which is why their Constitution doesn't contain the word "slave."
Feel free to fantasize about living hundreds of years in the past if you choose .. but THIS America ain't THAT America.
Don't you bear some responsibility in that? Shouldn't youhave told your grandparents that SS is a safety net, not retirement? You want to blame the system for your grandparents false beliefs? How many people do you think believes SS is a retirement fund? AND, go tell your grandparents SS is a bad program so they should reject the payments they get ..which is probably what keeps them alive.
Respectfully, that's a ridiculous argument.
Life ain't about you brother. I'm bettin' the Germans and French don't miss you not living there and conduct happy and fulfilling lives without you.
Life ain't about YOU or any individual. You will be dead one day .. life will move on.
Take that to mean that I believe society is more important than the individual. Take it to mean that I'm intelligent enough to know that money is not happiness, not fulfillment.
What about the minorities? Are you serious?
What about minorities here?
American Indians virtually wiped off the face of the earth.
African-Americans .. 400 years of slavery, oppression, and horror ..still only relatively free even to this day.
What about the minorities?
Again, to correct your revisionist version of His-story, I'll again inject some History .. America was born to protect white men only. Anything that suggests otherwise is bullshit.
Over time America has gotten better because Americans have gotten smarter, more civil and humane than the lineage of convicts banished to this land. We are better because we are NOT the people who founded this country.
My responsibility to America doesn't have a goddamn thing to do with individuals who put their interests before the interests of the nation or the world. Fortunately, I do not have to live in the world you envision .. nor does my children.
That's the good news.
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
I sleep with one every night.
If "you're" going to speak cajun, perhaps you might qualify your cajunese .. your(caj) .. as I qualify my ebonics .. ain't(eb).
Being bilingual is a good thing, but qualify it for the Victorians.
SmarterthanYou
rebel
I'll agree with you that at the beginning, not all people were recognized as having the same freedoms. It was indeed a tragedy and a farce, but they were eventually corrected, all with the same beliefs of individual liberty and freedom. that was moving forward. Placing society over the individual is not progression, it is regression.
The constitution is not a living document. it's a legal document with a proscribed method for amending, not to be interpreted according to every new supreme court.
considering that I was barely 18 when my grandmother retired, it's completely ridiculous to think I'd have had any influence during my teenage years to make them aware of something that even I wasn't aware of yet.
totally misguided. My life is indeed about me. Myself and the ones I hold dear. Believe it or not, YOUR individual freedoms and liberties matter to me as well. The individual freedoms and liberties of ALL individuals should matter to each and every other individual. That is why are society is totally screwed right now. Too many people just don't give a shit about others anymore.
there is nothing 'revisionist' of my history. your perception is flawed due to your apparent mistrust or failure of others to protect your rights.
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
See post 126
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
WHAT?
Are you suggesting WHITE MEN ONLY was not the order of the day when this nation was founded?
Is reality to deep for you to deal with, thus you have to create Mother Goose fairy-tales to make you comfortable?
If His-story is all you have to offer brother, I don't want to discuss history with you.
SmarterthanYou
rebel
If making shit up out of thin air and half truths is all you have, then we can't discuss anything at all. point out to me where I suggested that 'white men only' was not the order of the day at the founding of america.
DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
I did, which is why I made the comment on post 129. Apparently you are unable to answer my earlier question?
I'd also like a response to this post: [ame="http://www.justplainpolitics.com/showpost.php?p=408057&postcount=25"]Just Plain Politics! - View Single Post - Democrats Afraid Of Blacks?? Who Knew[/ame]
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
All the injustice was not corrected and a relative correction for blacks didn't come until just 42 years ago .. and that correction came in the interests of society, not the individual..
How many times has the Constitution beem amended? .. Living document sir .. and the Constitution is so grey that it requires specialized attorneys to even interpret it. It is completely open to interpretation, particularly as society continues to change.
Then the responsibility rests with your parents, their friends, their siblings .. not with the program that is saving their lives.
Too much confusion in that thought. You say society is screwed because people don't care about others .. but life is all about you.
Makes no sense.
Keep in mind I'm black .. in America .. and you're talking to me about "individual freedoms and liberties" .. which came only in realtive form to my people when they stood about and fought AGAINST the fairy-tale system you're talking about. 400 years of oppression and you're telling me fairy-tales.
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
My response was quite clear .. apparently you were unable to interpret it.
You are also apparently under the belief that taxes are the greatest impediment to job creation. I don't share that belief. The cost of healthcare is the greatest impediment to job creation. Regardless of how low taxation is, many Americans businesses will still ship jobs overseas. That's simply the dynamic of living in a modern technical world.
The impediment for job creation here is healthcare.
Lower Health Coverage Costs Crucial to Manufacturing Competitiveness
July 26, 2005
Dear Representative:
On behalf of the National Association of Manufacturers (NAM), I urge you to vote in favor of H.R. 525, the Small Business Health Fairness Act and H.R. 5, the HEALTH Act.
Manufacturers know too well that rising costs — particularly health care costs — are a major impediment to new job creation. H.R. 5 would provide reasonable limits on medical liability awards that lead directly to higher health coverage costs and fewer health care providers. H.R. 525 would allow small businesses to band together through bona fide trade associations and obtain quality health care at a lower cost by taking advantage of the same economies of scale, flexibility, bargaining clout, and administrative efficiency that larger companies and unions enjoy under the ERISA law. The NAM strongly supports these bills as part of the focus on health care in the House this week.
Votes on H.R. 525 and H.R. 5, their rule, motions to recommit, substitutes or any weakening amendments will be considered for designation as Key Manufacturing Votes in the NAM voting record for the 109th Congress.
Sincerely,
John Engler
President
http://www.nam.org/PolicyIssueInfor...px?DID={D57C2A42-3FCB-44FC-839B-9A086CDF5BF6}
Do you know who John Engler is? He was a 3 term Republicam governor of Michigan.
Flat taxation without a reformed healthcare system will fall as flat on job creation as the Bush tax cuts.
It's an intelligently stated perspective my brother .. but limited by your view.
I do not agree with your perspective of why African-Americans are democrats, nor do I agree with you on your perspectives on democrats and republicans.
Frankly, I don't know where to begin that would not make this post 5 pages long and wouldn't take this thread in a completely different direction then the person who created it intended.
I'll be happy to debate the issue with you in another thread.
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
If you understand that truth .. then why do you keep using terms like "liberty" and "freedom" without the allimportant qualification that those were only intended for white men?
If we are to discuss history then let's discuss real history.
Freedom and liberty only came to others through struggle and suffering AGAINST the very same system you're talking about. The Constitution provided no protection for them .. for hundreds of years.
You can call that "making shit up" if you choose, but in the real world it's called history my brother.
DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
1. All you did was quote the opinion of one man. I can quote the opinion of another saying the opposite.
2. By all means then, debate the issue in the other thread, link provided post 194.
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
1. I provided a letter from the head of an organization of American manufactuers .. far different than "quoting one man's opinion" .. and I can fill this thread up with similarconclusions by lots of other men and women in position to know and advocate the positions of many American companies.
You're avoiding the discussion.
2. I'll do that.
DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
1. Actually I'm trying to move the discussion forward. It appears that someone who represents American manufacturers, who are for the most part unionized, would be of the opinion that if government would take over the cost of health care then they wouldn't have to provide it themselves. It seems that they have a vested interest.
However a "flatter" tax, and more accurately the Fair Tax proposal, would be much more beneficial to American manufacturers because it would remove the hidden costs associated with payroll and corporate taxes.
http://www.fairtax.org/site/PageServer?pagename=mfg_home
And 80 economists have signed a letter stating:
http://www.fairtax.org/PDF/Open_Letter.pdf
Don't expect many politicians to endorse it though, since it also removes their ability to tinker with the tax code to benefit their favorite lobbyists and campaign donors.
2. I'm looking forward to it.