christiefan915
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I know I keep bringing this up but you remember ten years ago when we criticized bush for Iraq, righties were telling us we should be tried for treason?
Free speech indeed.
Free speech dying.....
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I know I keep bringing this up but you remember ten years ago when we criticized bush for Iraq, righties were telling us we should be tried for treason?
Free speech indeed.
tekkychick
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Exactly. If you aren't willing to accept the consequences, don't say it.
tekkychick
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This guy isn't being imprisoned. He's free to say it. His employer is free to say his views don't match with theirs and to fire him.
Happens to union organizers, right?
Yes there was, there was just consequences for the things they said
This has nothing to do with someone losing his job....he didn't lose his job.
When even one American, who has done nothing wrong, is forced by fear to shut his
mind and close his mouth, then all Americans are in peril. === Harry Truman
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It's not a full day unless bravo has a thread that is a complete and utter FAIL.
This has nothing to do w/ "free speech" bravs.
This has nothing to do w/ "free speech" bravs.
Lets try another example..
"The reports on the NDA are accurate. We're getting people who call," Wolf said Monday during an event marking the launch of the Citizens' Commission on Benghazi, a panel of former military and intelligence officials who are investigating unanswered questions surrounding the Benghazi incident.
Wolf's office first received the anonymous call earlier in the summer, soon after CNN and Fox News reported on the NDAs and polygraph tests.
The caller told Wolf's staff that an unnamed CIA employee has been suspended after refusing to sign a Benghazi-related NDA.
"My office received a call from a man saying that he knew a CIA employee who has retained legal counsel because he has refused to sign an additional NDA regarding the Sept. 11, 2012, events in Benghazi," Wolf said in Sept. 9 remarks at a panel discussion hosted by Judicial Watch.
"I called the law firm and spoke with CIA employee's attorney who confirmed that her client is having an issue with the agency and the firm is trying to address it," Wolf said. "Based on my past experiences with the CIA, which is headquartered in my congressional district, I am not at all confident that these efforts will be successful."
The NDA agreements are meant to instill fear in employees and stop them from speaking "to the media or Congress," Wolf said on Monday.
-- http://freedomoutpost.com/2013/09/c...n-disclosure-agreement-on-benghazi-suspended/
"The reports on the NDA are accurate. We're getting people who call," Wolf said Monday during an event marking the launch of the Citizens' Commission on Benghazi, a panel of former military and intelligence officials who are investigating unanswered questions surrounding the Benghazi incident.
Wolf's office first received the anonymous call earlier in the summer, soon after CNN and Fox News reported on the NDAs and polygraph tests.
The caller told Wolf's staff that an unnamed CIA employee has been suspended after refusing to sign a Benghazi-related NDA.
"My office received a call from a man saying that he knew a CIA employee who has retained legal counsel because he has refused to sign an additional NDA regarding the Sept. 11, 2012, events in Benghazi," Wolf said in Sept. 9 remarks at a panel discussion hosted by Judicial Watch.
"I called the law firm and spoke with CIA employee's attorney who confirmed that her client is having an issue with the agency and the firm is trying to address it," Wolf said. "Based on my past experiences with the CIA, which is headquartered in my congressional district, I am not at all confident that these efforts will be successful."
The NDA agreements are meant to instill fear in employees and stop them from speaking "to the media or Congress," Wolf said on Monday.
-- http://freedomoutpost.com/2013/09/c...n-disclosure-agreement-on-benghazi-suspended/
Lol, okay
sedan
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I've just read your lousy review of Margaret's concert ...
Some day I hope to meet you. When that happens you'll need a new nose, a lot of beefsteak for black eyes, and perhaps a supporter below! === Harry Truman
Some day I hope to meet you. When that happens you'll need a new nose, a lot of beefsteak for black eyes, and perhaps a supporter below! === Harry Truman
OnearmSword
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Yes consequences. Where have I read that before? I remember the 20 million Stalin murdered and 45 million Mao murdered.. Yes, those consequences ..
tekkychick
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We all have the choice, day in and day out, whether to speak our mind or whether to not say what we think due to consequences.
A shopkeeper in a small town who writes a letter to the editor with an unpopular opinion may lose business. That shopkeeper may choose NOT to write that letter, due to fear of the consequences.
But that shopkeeper has freedom of speech; he/she has to accept the consequences.
When someone espouses an unpopular position on FB - they may lose friends. This is a consequence they have to decide whether to accept or not.
I rarely mention my company on FB; when I do, it's only to highlight the positive. I may or may not have other opinions; I'm not going to put negative thoughts (if I had any, which of course I don't because my company is awesome, boss) on FB because it could mean losing my job.
I have free speech. Sometimes I choose not to exercise it to avoid the consequences.
In this case, a guy in public relations in a govt job put a very anti-Islam post on FB. By now, he should have noticed soldiers and police officers who have been reprimanded and fired for similar thing. When you are representing all the people, if you express an opinion against a sub-group of the people you represent, consequences - probably negative - are not unexpected.
He is free to express his opinion. But he must know that it may have consequences. He's not a stupid teenager in his parents' basement (like so many on here).
(What's pretty funny is what saved his job is the merit system - which I'm sure you, and many conservatives on this site would be opposed to in the normal course of business. You all, I'm sure, prefer employment at will. )
If he was thrown in jail for his opinion, I would agree - that would be an affront to our freedom of speech.
But that didn't happen, did it?
it's true.
just because the 1st amendment is just about the government putting limits on speech, does not mean it isn't a good ideal to hold up in spirit.
loss of livlihood, reputation, is one thing. Having your feelings hurt is another.
Whether or not there are consequences for free speech, we shouldn't rejoice when people feel the need to silence their opinions in the public square.
as the old saying goes, popular opinions don't need protection. It is the opinions that aren't popular that need protecting the most.
And fyi, I am not specifically referring to the OP of this post. I am speaking towards general attitudes.
I agree with you
zappasguitar
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It is ludicrous to try and equate the "consequences" of speaking your mind during the inquisition with the "consequences" one faces today for speaking one's mind.
There's a BIG difference between being publicly shamed for saying stupid things and being BURNED AT THE STAKE for questioning the church.
zappasguitar
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Isn't it obvious?
He hates Liberals and this gives him a chance to get his hate on real good!
zappasguitar
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Which is EXACTLY what many pissy Righties said to The Dixie Chicks when they made their comments about Bush.
Of course now it's a different story...
Righties always find a way to highlight their "do as we say and not as we do" attitude.
christiefan915
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Now you'll get all those justifications about treason and war.
If you don't like someones opinion voiced by his right to free speech, use you right and confront with your opinion.....thats fine....
Threatening his employment and demanding an invasion of his private communcations is much different....all you ever come back with is strawman bullshit the others
have to waste time exposing...and the dixie chicks issue is a strawman...no one with any legal power over them tried to punish them, only some in their audience...
there is no caparison....
Will this idiot lose his job or even be confronted in any way....
Professor Ghassan Zakaria presented his Arabic 101 class with a Middle East map that was noticeably missing something exponentially important. The state of Israel was completely gone, and in its place was "Palestine." There was no explanation or open dismay that this educational tyrant had taken the liberty to recreate the Middle East map as he sees it, or more importantly as he wants his students to see it.
http://tinyurl.com/klakazl
THIS isn't a private citizen expressing an opinion. THIS is a college prof. attempting to indoctrinate his students with his propaganda....and his power over their
grades and their academic lives is held hostage....HIS actions are clearly wrong, not free speech, yet his bullshit will be tolerated.
This is overt and pathological. It's purposeful and with intent in teaching students that Israel should not exist; that an entire nation of people should be wiped off the map. They are the infidels and must be destroyed. The colleges take,
http://freedomoutpost.com/2013/09/d...ashion-a-middle-east-map/#T5cd4z4Qzeftxm1s.99The department chair said the professor used Palestine in place of Israel on the labels to "reflect the view of Arab-speakers in the region." This says it all. If it reflects the Arab view it will be honored. For we've entered the land of collegiate jihad. This is today's higher education.
If another view is reflected, as in the op, you might just be fired and it the very least, have you privacy invaded by a fishing expedition...
http://freedomoutpost.com/2013/09/d...ashion-a-middle-east-map/#T5cd4z4Qzeftxm1s.99The department chair said the professor used Palestine in place of Israel on the labels to "reflect the view of Arab-speakers in the region." This says it all. If it reflects the Arab view it will be honored. For we've entered the land of collegiate jihad. This is today's higher education.
If another view is reflected, as in the op, you might just be fired and it the very least, have you privacy invaded by a fishing expedition...
NO YOU FUCKING ASSHOLE.
IF YOU UNDERSTOOD FREE SPEECH AT ALL, YOU WOULD KNOW THAT THE PROFESSOR HAS EVERY RIGHT TO REPRESENT THE WORLD HOWEVER HE SEES FIT.
THAT IS WHAT FREE SPEECH IS YOU MORONIC HYPOCRITE.
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