Former Wisconsin Attorney Gen: Gov. Walker Violated Ethics, Election and Labor Laws

also... as for Walker... he is looking at the long term picture. He sees that simply getting concessions today won't solve the long term problem.

Bene's should not be negotiated by collective bargaining in the case of public unions. Otherwise we just end up right back where we are today.
I'm hardly sympathetic. It a mess of his own creation. This isn't about balancing the buget. He inherited a balanced budget and he created the deficit. This is about union busting and political pay backs. Don't try and tell me this is about flexibility. Well hell yea, Government sure can be a hell of a lot more flexible when you have no rights. That's for damned sure.
 
I read this elsewhere and it's the most accurate description of the furor over public employee unions (and unions generally) that I have read:

A unionized public employee, a Tea Partier, and a CEO are sitting at a table. In the middle of the table is a plate with a dozen cookies on it. The CEO reaches across and takes 11 cookies, then looks at the Tea Partier and says “Watch out for that union guy—he wants a piece of your cookie!”


Pretty much.

The way I heard it, was; lthe Union employee reached across and took 11 of the cookies. Then he looked at the Tea Partier and said "Look out, or the CEO will try to screw you out of your share".
 
It appears his solutions are causing more problems than solving them, he blew it with the phoney phone call. Have you talked to him, does he feel stupid? He obviously didn't learn anything from Sarah and was just too eager to be Koch's star governor! He may have been a good guy, but this sure makes him look bad and not that bright!

Really.... what problems have they caused?

Right... I wonder how many politicians would suck up to a big potential donor like that. Tell them what they think they want to hear in order to solicit funds. I am sure no Dem would do that.
 
Really.... what problems have they caused?

Right... I wonder how many politicians would suck up to a big potential donor like that. Tell them what they think they want to hear in order to solicit funds. I am sure no Dem would do that.

Superfreak is about to be forced to endure his daily skewering.
 
I'm hardly sympathetic. It a mess of his own creation. This isn't about balancing the buget. He inherited a balanced budget and he created the deficit. This is about union busting and political pay backs. Don't try and tell me this is about flexibility. Well hell yea, Government sure can be a hell of a lot more flexible when you have no rights. That's for damned sure.

again, like so many on the left, you are simply parroting bullshit from your masters.

1) He did not create the deficit

2) There was NO surplus

3) If you actually bothered to READ the report, it clearly states that the general fund owed another fund $200m. That by itself eliminated the so called surplus that was attained by the previous admin borrowing from another fund for the previous term. The WI Supreme court ordered it paid back, but as of the date of the report it had not been paid back.

4) Per the report, the effect of MN canceling the income tax reciprocity agreement, will detract a further $60m per year.

5) Per the report, the state of WI faces a $3.6 BILLION dollar shortfall over the coming two years.

Enough of the bullshit that they 'have no rights'. That is purely a crock.

Funny how you idiots continue to fail to respond to the five points above. You simply keep parroting the same bullshit your masters taught you.

You also continue to fail to answer the simple question....

WHO are the public unions bargaining against?

Are they just trying to get a bigger piece of the tax revenues of the state? In which case, that means the revenues either have to come from some other state project OR you have to raise taxes, hence it comes from tax payers.

I wonder why you idiots on the left keep ignoring these questions and points?

Could it be because the answers make you look like a fucking retard?
 
again, like so many on the left, you are simply parroting bullshit from your masters.

1) He did not create the deficit

2) There was NO surplus

3) If you actually bothered to READ the report, it clearly states that the general fund owed another fund $200m. That by itself eliminated the so called surplus that was attained by the previous admin borrowing from another fund for the previous term. The WI Supreme court ordered it paid back, but as of the date of the report it had not been paid back.

4) Per the report, the effect of MN canceling the income tax reciprocity agreement, will detract a further $60m per year.

5) Per the report, the state of WI faces a $3.6 BILLION dollar shortfall over the coming two years.

Enough of the bullshit that they 'have no rights'. That is purely a crock.

Funny how you idiots continue to fail to respond to the five points above. You simply keep parroting the same bullshit your masters taught you.

You also continue to fail to answer the simple question....

WHO are the public unions bargaining against?

Are they just trying to get a bigger piece of the tax revenues of the state? In which case, that means the revenues either have to come from some other state project OR you have to raise taxes, hence it comes from tax payers.

I wonder why you idiots on the left keep ignoring these questions and points?

Could it be because the answers make you look like a fucking retard?

You are not interested in seeing what is going on here, you are just interested in promoting your ignorant right wing dogma and joining Walker in trying to lay the blame on people that have not created the problem.

It was conservative icon Edmund Burke who said: "Mere parsimony is not economy. Expense, and great expense, may be an essential part in true economy." You slash and burn morons just want to use cuts to make people bleed...it's that right wing 'punishment' syndrome...

Cutting the disposable income of middle class taxpayers will have a detrimental effect on the economy of Wisconsin.
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In fact, a new study by the Institute for Wisconsin’s Future (IWF) found that cutting public sector employees’ pay to the degree demanded by Walker would be a disaster for the state’s economy. In fact, about $1 billion of public employee wages would be lost each year:

* State workers would lose $429 million of disposable income

* Local employees would lose $335 million of disposable income

* School district employees would lose $230 million of disposable income

“Public sector workers are moderate-income people who spend the vast majority of their income on consumer goods—unlike rich households who save the bulk of their wealth,” wrote Jack Norman, the study’s author.

Since that $1 billion would not be spent—and recirculated—in businesses throughout Wisconsin, the study projected that 9,900 private sector jobs would be lost.

“State leaders cannot make up for the loss in consumer purchasing power by an equivalent amount of tax cuts,” Norman wrote. “That would worsen the deficit and cancel out any savings created by cuts to public sector compensation.”

And what about the ripple effect on local governments? IWF’s Norman calculated that $46 million of property tax revenue would be lost because of the wage cutbacks and depressed economic activity. Dane County would be hit the hardest and lose $14 million in property taxes; Milwaukee County would lose $6 million in property taxes.
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You whine about the $200m owed, but you fail to mention that Walker immediately gave special interests $140m that state had saved to pay most of that money owed...WHY do you fail to mention that freak?

Not only that, the money he gave away will not lower the deficit, it will COST taxpayers MORE money.
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Walker Concocts 'Scoop and Toss' Borrowing Scheme to Pay for $140 Million in Special Interest Spending
Wall Street Bond Holders Win; Wisconsin's Long-Term Debt Rises

Madison-- Republican Gov. Scott Walker plans to pay for $140 million in new special interest spending signed into law in January by extending the state's long term debt in a "scoop and toss" refinancing scheme that will cost untold tens of millions of dollars in additional debt for Wisconsin.

"Scott Walker railed non-stop against budget gimmicks as a candidate and now as governor he's put together a scheme that would make a pay-day lender blush," said Scot Ross, One Wisconsin Now Executive Director. "Gov. Walker created this problem by handing out $140 million in special interest spending to his corporate pals and he's going to make our children pay for it by taking loans the state was ready to pay off and borrow more money on them."

Walker is refusing to provide full accounting of how much in additional costs his "scoop and toss" scheme would cost taxpayers down the road. Since his inauguration in early January, Walker has approved $140 million in new special interest spending that includes:

* $25 million for an economic development fund for job creation that still has $73 million due to a lack of job creation. Walker is creating a $25 million hole which will not create or retain jobs. [Wisconsin Legislative Fiscal Bureau, 1/7/11]

* $48 million for private health savings accounts, which primarily benefit the wealthy. A study from the federal Governmental Accountability Office showed the average adjusted gross income of HSA participants was $139,000 and nearly half of HSA participants reported withdrawing nothing from their HSA, evidence that it is serving as a tax shelter for wealthy participants. [Government Accountability Office, 4/1/08; Wisconsin Legislative Fiscal Bureau, 1/11/11]

* $67 million for a tax shift plan, so ill-conceived that at-best the benefit provided to job creators would be less than a dollar a day per new job, and may be as little as 30 cents a day. [Associated Press, 1/28/01]
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And the $64,000 question...IF Walker's plan is such a great one, WHY DIDN'T HE MENTION IT DURING HIS CAMPAIGN???
 
To a degree yes. It is the publics responsibility to hold elected officials accountable.

But how often are details provided to the public on issues like this in terms they can understand? I would guess and say rarely.

There is no "to a degree" about it. It is our responsiblity to hold our elected officials accountable. Who else is going to do it?
 
also... as for Walker... he is looking at the long term picture. He sees that simply getting concessions today won't solve the long term problem.

Bene's should not be negotiated by collective bargaining in the case of public unions. Otherwise we just end up right back where we are today.
That's a double standard. Why can't public workers negotiate for benefits when those working in the private sector can?
 
again, like so many on the left, you are simply parroting bullshit from your masters.

1) He did not create the deficit

2) There was NO surplus

3) If you actually bothered to READ the report, it clearly states that the general fund owed another fund $200m. That by itself eliminated the so called surplus that was attained by the previous admin borrowing from another fund for the previous term. The WI Supreme court ordered it paid back, but as of the date of the report it had not been paid back.

4) Per the report, the effect of MN canceling the income tax reciprocity agreement, will detract a further $60m per year.

5) Per the report, the state of WI faces a $3.6 BILLION dollar shortfall over the coming two years.

Enough of the bullshit that they 'have no rights'. That is purely a crock.

Funny how you idiots continue to fail to respond to the five points above. You simply keep parroting the same bullshit your masters taught you.

You also continue to fail to answer the simple question....

WHO are the public unions bargaining against?

Are they just trying to get a bigger piece of the tax revenues of the state? In which case, that means the revenues either have to come from some other state project OR you have to raise taxes, hence it comes from tax payers.

I wonder why you idiots on the left keep ignoring these questions and points?

Could it be because the answers make you look like a fucking retard?

Yea he did create the situation. The previous Governor balanced the budget. Walker rescinded a 1% tax hike on those making more then $300,000/year and precipitated the budget shortfall that he is now trying to make up for on the backs middle class public workers. You're a fool if you think this is about the flexibility needed to run government. Hell yea government is always more flexible in what they can do when you have no rights.

This is about political patronage and political payback. Wlaker is simply guilty of over reaching and will probably pay a steep political price. Politicians who are this divisive tend not to be around very long.
 
That's a double standard. Why can't public workers negotiate for benefits when those working in the private sector can?

Again... who are they negotiating against?

In the private sector, a union would negotiate against the corporation. The corporation is not going to give in if the demands would be to the detriment of the company long term. (though even some of the private side have been overly optimistic about performance of funds and they too are underfunded).

In the public sector, the unions negotiate with politicians who have NO skin in the game. Benefits (especially pensions) have little effect on budgets in the short term and thus the politicians are willing to promise the world knowing they are not likely to be in office when the shit hits the fan. They (both parties) have been doing it for decades. The shit is now hitting the fan.

People bitch that it 'takes money away from the public workers'.... the alternative is 'it takes money away from the private sector workers' (or it takes the money away from other government programs)

The private sector has had enough.

The politicians cannot be trusted to negotiate in good faith. Which is Walker's point. Two years from now, if he is out of office, this will make it harder for the next set of morons to hose things up again.
 
Yea he did create the situation. The previous Governor balanced the budget. Walker rescinded a 1% tax hike on those making more then $300,000/year and precipitated the budget shortfall that he is now trying to make up for on the backs middle class public workers. You're a fool if you think this is about the flexibility needed to run government. Hell yea government is always more flexible in what they can do when you have no rights.

This is about political patronage and political payback. Wlaker is simply guilty of over reaching and will probably pay a steep political price. Politicians who are this divisive tend not to be around very long.

NO.... HE DID NOT BALANCE THE BUDGET. HE TOOK FUNDS FROM ANOTHER SOURCE AND PUT THE MONEY INTO THE GENERAL FUND. THE SUPREME COURT ORDERED THAT THE FUNDS BE PUT BACK. HOW FUCKING HARD IS IT FOR YOU TO GRASP THAT SIMPLE FACT???

IT ALSO DOES NOT ADDRESS THE PROJECTED $3.6 BILLION DOLLAR SHORTFALL FOR THE NEXT TWO YEARS.

PERHAPS YOU WILL ACTUALLY BOTH TO READ THE FUCKING INFORMATION PRIOR TO SPOUTING OFF THAT SAME NONSENSE AGAIN.
 
Again... who are they negotiating against?

In the private sector, a union would negotiate against the corporation. The corporation is not going to give in if the demands would be to the detriment of the company long term. (though even some of the private side have been overly optimistic about performance of funds and they too are underfunded).

In the public sector, the unions negotiate with politicians who have NO skin in the game. Benefits (especially pensions) have little effect on budgets in the short term and thus the politicians are willing to promise the world knowing they are not likely to be in office when the shit hits the fan. They (both parties) have been doing it for decades. The shit is now hitting the fan.

People bitch that it 'takes money away from the public workers'.... the alternative is 'it takes money away from the private sector workers' (or it takes the money away from other government programs)

The private sector has had enough.

The politicians cannot be trusted to negotiate in good faith. Which is Walker's point. Two years from now, if he is out of office, this will make it harder for the next set of morons to hose things up again.

So, Walker through his infinite wisdom know what is best for future Wisconsinians, thats nice...or he just doesn't want to make a contract that has to be broken he is such an upstanding guy!
 
isn't it obvious that the government should be fair to their citizens and no slave labor allowed.

'slave labor'..... ROFLMAO..... that is truly funny Rana.

Their salaries are on par with the private sector, their bene's are HIGHER than the private sectors. Yet they are asking the private sector to continue funding said bene's for them.
 
isn't it obvious that the government has an obligation to control contracts with government employees....


I guess private contractors should also expect to be paid less because they are contracting to the government, too then? Suppliers of goods should charge less. etc

It is the government, so it should not be a level playing field, government should have the advantage?
 
'slave labor'..... ROFLMAO..... that is truly funny Rana.

Their salaries are on par with the private sector, their bene's are HIGHER than the private sectors. Yet they are asking the private sector to continue funding said bene's for them.

And why not?

Those contracts were negotiated in good faith...nobody pointed a gun at the Wisconsin Governor and FORCED him to sign the agreement he did with the union.

Now he's all pissy because he wound up on the losing end of the deal, so he arbitrarily wasn't to change the deal.
 
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