It's readily apparent you are a supporter of all things Putin since you've never posted a negative word about him...just like Ms. Moon.
Former Swiss Intelligence Officer blows the whistle on West's Ukraine War Narrative
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It's readily apparent you are a supporter of all things Putin since you've never posted a negative word about him...just like Ms. Moon.
It's readily apparent you are a supporter of all things Putin since you've never posted a negative word about him...just like Ms. Moon.
You focused on the wrong part of my text. I've bolded the part you apparently didn't read.
Sweetcheeks, I've read the same bullshit from Ms. Moon for the past two years. You may think you're something new under the Sun, but you most certainly are not, dear.
moon
Satire for Sanity
Yes, and so many millions of Ukrainians have now entered other countries that the remainder are mostly Zelenskies. Many more would like to have left- but the Zelenskies prevented them from leaving. How many they shot is still unknown.
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moon
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Dutch Uncle
When you think of my purple dick do you picture it fully erect and throbbing, Ms. Moon? https://www.justplainpolitics.com/s...tation-as-military-superpower-shattered/page6 #83
Again, the pro-Russian Ukrainians are Ukrainians, you racist prick. The anti-Russian Ukrainians lost the election wherein Ukrainians selected a pro-Russian president . He was removed by the Zelenskies by way of a violent US-led coup. The hypocrisy is yours.
Go play with your mauve member. You're not fit for political debate.
There you go again calling extreme nationalists "Zelenskies"
. I think of Zelensky more like Darth Vader. The Star Wars Darth Vader started out good, turned to the dark side but redeemed himself at the end. I'm not sure if Zelensky will redeem himself at the end, but he at least has the potential to. Olga Sukharevskaya, a Ukrainian-born ex-diplomat, wrote an article that denoted Zelensky's turn in Russia's RT publication here:From peacemaker to warmonger: Tragic downfall of Ukraine's Volodymyr Zelensky | RT
The fact that Zelensky is jewish has frequently been used as a shield to criticism that there is a strong neo nazi presence in Ukraine. It may surprise some that Zelensky himself acknowledged said neo nazis, back when he was a comedian. Here is what he said back then, in his own words:
Found another article that talks of a Zelensky skit, perhaps the same one. Quoting from it:
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Posted on May 6, 2022
The recent very undiplomatic statements by Russia’s top diplomat, Sergey Lavrov, created a bit of a media storm. But the beat up over these statements obscures the real issues. Ukraine does have a problem with neo-Nazis. These neo-Nazis have a lot of influence in the Ukrainian military. Consequently, they receive arms and training from NATO countries – mainly the USA. Cooperation with this military means cooperation with neo-Nazis.
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Perhaps comedians can be more honest than politicians. Ukrainian president Zelensky lets slip a few home truths about the neo-Nazis before he became president.
Ken Perrott on Twitter:
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Of course, things are not simple. More can be said about the overwhelming support Zelensky received in his election because of his support for peace and the steps outlined in the Minsk Agreements. How the ultranationalist/neo-Fascist groups and their allies demonstrated against his peace policies, threatened his presidency – even his life, and his eventual back down as shown by the fact that Ukraine never carried out their obligations under the Minsk agreements.
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Full article:
Neo-Nazis in Ukraine. Comedians are often more truthful than politicians. | Open Parachute
moon
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Yes- you can't call those fighting AGAINST pro-Russian Ukrainians ' Ukrainians ' as it would imply that pro-Russian Ukrainians are not Ukrainians- which would be the Ukrainian Nazi narrative.
So terming them ' Zelenskies' differentiates them.
The fact that Zelensky himself is a piss-poor comedian who betrayed Palestine and allowed NATO to devastate his country in a proxy war is neither here nor there. It's just a term of clarification.
The United Nations General Assembly has voted overwhelmingly to condemn Russia's attempts to annex four regions of Ukraine. The resolution was supported by 143 countries, while 35 states - including China and India - abstained.
The naked aggression by the Russian Federation in the invasion of Ukraine remains just that, naked aggression no matter how you spin it.
The naked aggression by the Russian Federation in the invasion of Ukraine remains just that, naked aggression no matter how you spin it.
I don't believe that's true. I think it's akin to saying that German Nazis taking jews to the concentration camps weren't Germans. They were still Germans, just Germans twisted to the dark side.
True, but so would calling them ultra nationalists and neo nazis, and I think it would be a more apt term. Zelensky, being jewish, would clearly have reservations about associating too closely with Neo Nazis, especially the type that dislikes jews. I have seen signs during this war that he has put up a -little- resistance to the hard line that the ultra nationalists have been trying to push.
Not such a bad comedian in my view. Did you click on the youtube video of his comedy skit? I think some of the things he said there are truly eye opening, especially considering his stance now. The article I linked to afterwards from Ken Perrot at Open Parachute elaborates on some of the things he said in it. Mr. Perrot quotes various things Zelensky says in his skit and then elabortes on them. Quoting a bit of it:
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“I AM LEARNING ENGLISH TO FORGET RUSSIAN WITH THE HELP OF AMERICAN MERCENARIES; THEY’RE ALL OVER THE PLACE.”
The USA has been involved in Ukraine ever since independence in the early 90s. They have been happy to support the anti-Russian prejudices promoted by Banderites and the evidence is that the USA was involved in the anti-democratic coup in February 2014.
“OUR PRESIDENT, THE MOST IMPORTANT ONE BARACK OBAMA, HAS PROMISED THAT WE WILL JOIN NATO SOON, AS AN AMERICAN HENCHMAN OF COURSE.”
Interesting aside there. Ukraine was never a serious candidate for NATO membership but was in fact incorporated into NATO in all but name. NATO training, arms supplies and intelligence. In the current war, one can say the aim of the Americans is to fight to the last Ukrainian in their attempt to destroy Russia.
“IF YOU CAN PLEASE SEND ME HITLER’S BOOK “MEIN KAMPF.” THEY ARE SOLD OUT HERE.”
The capture of headquarters occupied by neo-Nazi groups like the Azov Battalion, Aidar Batallion, Right Sector, etc., reveals that these groups are reading classical fascist literature.
Interestingly, the manifesto of the Christchurch terrorist, Tarrant, while banned in New Zealand, was translated into eastern European languages and is used by groups like the Azov Battalion. During the shooting, Tarrant wore a flak jacket with a symbol commonly used by the Azov Battalion which even the New York Times describes as “a Ukrainian neo-Nazi paramilitary organization.”
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Full article:
Neo-Nazis in Ukraine. Comedians are often more truthful than politicians. | Open Parachute
I think the results you mention above suggest that more nations are souring to the idea that this is a simple case of "Ukraine good, Russia bad". China and India make up more than half of the world's population, and it's also been known for a while that both of them have been resistant to the west's calls for sanctions on Russia.
moon
Satire for Sanity
No- you've misunderstood. Zelensky's Nazis are still Ukrainians. So are the pro-Russian Ukrainians. I call the anti-Russian Ukrainians ' the Zelenskies ' in order to differentiate .
Please don't make me explain it again.
No- not all anti-Russian Ukrainians are Nazis.
I've always found that attempting to mind-read others guarantees misunderstanding. You can surmise- but you have to make that clear. It isn't a given.
I loathe the asshole. Don't expect me to find him ' funny ' or perceptive. He has killed Ukraine.
Yes, that's common knowledge. There are even videos and telephone recordings of McCain going about his satanic business.
Yes, the Russians are blameless in not trusting NATO.
I'd rather watch Zelensky playing ' Hava Nagila ' on a piano with his Johnson.
Why do you think China, North Korea and Iran are siding with Russia?
As I posted earlier?
We know for a fact that citizens of the DPR, LPR and Crimea - overwhelmingly do NOT want to be part of Ukraine.
However, the latest referendums in Kherson and Zaporizhzhia were - apparently - INCREDIBLY un-democratic.
My understanding is that they consisted of:
'Armed Russian soldiers went door-to-door with ballot boxes, asking if people want to join Russia. The soldiers wrote the answers down (one for the entire family), and then put them in the box.'
https://gwynnedyer.com/2022/is-putin-bluffing-about-nukes/
If that is true?
That leaves those referendums a joke in the extremis.
Musk's text was right.
The referendums have to be done properly.
Russia did NOT (apparently) handle them properly.
Ah ok, thanks for clarifying that.
I didn't say Nazis, I said neo Nazis. Furthermore, I said ultra nationalists -and- neo Nazis, but I do realize that it's a mouthful. I think my main point is that Zelensky has certainly turned to the dark side, but there are worse than him in Ukraine, the categories I mentioned frequently being in the 'worse than' category.
This goes beyond surmising. An article from Aaron Mate gets into the evidence:
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In April 2019, Zelensky was elected with an overwhelming 73% of the vote on a promise to turn the tide. In his inaugural address the next month, Zelensky declared that he was “not afraid to lose my own popularity, my ratings,” and was “prepared to give up my own position – as long as peace arrives.”
But Ukraine’s powerful far-right and neo-Nazi militias made clear to Zelensky that reaching peace in the Donbas would have a much higher cost.
“No, he would lose his life,” Right Sector co-founder Dmytro Anatoliyovych Yarosh, then the commander of the Ukrainian Volunteer Army, responded one week after Zelensky’s inaugural speech. “He will hang on some tree on Khreshchatyk – if he betrays Ukraine and those people who died in the Revolution and the War.”
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Full article:
Siding With Ukraine’s Far-Right, US Sabotaged Zelensky’s Peace Mandate | Scheerpost
I wish that were true. In point of fact, even I don't know that much of the U.S.'s involvement prior to 2014.
If you have links to said videos and phone recordings, please share.
Agreed. Would you agree that Zelensky's line, bolded above, regarding Ukraine essentially being America's henchman, would be both accurate and outright seditious at this point in time?
I certainly found the video humorous, though it appears that it was just a joke- I sincerely doubt the members of the performers there were actually out, let alone playing that piece.
In any case, you've already responded to a fair amount of the points in the article, so I'm fine if you skip on clicking on the link. I just put that up there for anyone who might be interested in further reading on Zelensky's past as a comedian.
In any case, I believe that Zelensky joking openly about the Nazi influence in Ukraine in this skit was quite good, perhaps even daring.
In point of fact, of the 3 nations you mention above, only 1 of them actually voted with Russia, North Korea. The other 3 countries to do so were Belarus, Syria and Nicaragua:
UN votes on Ukraine's ‘territorial integrity’ | RT
China was one of the 35 countries that abstained from voting.
As to Iran and 7 other countries, they haven't been able to vote for a while due to not paying sufficient member dues:
Iran loses vote at United Nations over unpaid dues | thenationalnews.com
Agreed.
Based on what you've said, plus information I myself have read, I believe that the votes in Donetsk and Lugansk regions were done well. There have been reporters I trust that have covered Donetsk region, such as Eva Bartlett and Patrick Lancaster. However, I never thought that the fairness of the vote might not be the same in other regions. So yes, I certainly believe that having another vote in those other regions with (more?) international observers would be a good thing.
the reasoning is those are war zones and the separatists take you to the polls because civilians do the voting
no more referendums unless it's part of a peace deal to determine sovereignty
Even then Kyiv and the USA wiil always say Russian favorable referendums are illegitimate
moon
Satire for Sanity
Phoenyx, respectfully, I am not interested enough in analyzing Zelensky to pursue your own opinions in any depth. We both surmise on the strength of third party reports which themselves are sometimes spurious. Further, politicians lie. Zelensky's own appraisals of Zelensky cannot be trusted to be accurate.
Better- for me- to await the outcome of Biden's Nord Stream war in order sort the propaganda wheat from the propaganda chaff.
And no- he wasn't actually playing the piano with his nuts- but he might as well have been .
Better- for me- to await the outcome of Biden's Nord Stream war in order sort the propaganda wheat from the propaganda chaff.
And no- he wasn't actually playing the piano with his nuts- but he might as well have been .
moon
Satire for Sanity
The Russian opinions of the mid-terms ought be interesting- if we were ever allowed to know what they are.