Former Pentagon Advisor Says US Likely Attacked Nord Stream to Isolate Germany

That the US did it certainly seems more likely than that the Russians did...I said this at the jump. I dont know how it will ever be proven, if it can be proven, but if it is then the Chinese will make a lot of hay over this, one of their main arguments is that America treats our allies like shit.

Hopefully the U.S. did.
 
Also Tuckers "But what about global warming?" when released methane it is said is very bad for the planet. So America decided to release all of that methane on purpose?

Hopefully. Good decision if true. doubt Brandon made it though.
 
The American regime is ignorant and reckless and are brutes.

If Brandon called it, I support it. But I doubt he did. He's obsessed with global warming. He'd rather the Russian annex all of Ukraine than release a cubic meter of methane into the atmostphere.
 
If Brandon called it, I support it. But I doubt he did. He's obsessed with global warming. He'd rather the Russian annex all of Ukraine than release a cubic meter of methane into the atmostphere.

Choosing his ice cream is about the most important decision he can manage most days this far into brain death.

Sit your ass down please.
 
'A former Pentagon advisor says the most likely culprits behind the Nord Stream pipeline blasts are the United States and Britain, and that the attack was carried out to prevent Germany from bailing on the war in Ukraine.

Retired US Army colonel Douglas Macgregor made the comments during an appearance on the Judging Freedom podcast.

Macgregor said a process of elimination rules out Germany, because they are dependent on Nord Stream for their energy security, while it also served no benefit for Russia to have sabotaged its own infrastructure.

“Would the Russians destroy their own pipeline? 40 percent of Russian gross national product or gross domestic product consists of foreign currency that comes into the country to purchase natural gas, oil, coal and so forth. So the Russians did not do this. The notion that they did I think is absurd,” Macgregor said.'


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'However, citing reports that more than 500 kg of TNT had been detected in both explosions, the former Pentagon advisor suggested only the United States and British Royal Navy had the capability to pull off the attack.

“Then you have to look at who are the state actors that have the capability to do this. And that means the Royal Navy, the United States Navy Special Operations,” said Macgregor.


“I think that’s pretty clear. We know that thousands of pounds of TNT were used because these pipelines are enormously robust. You have several inches of concrete around various metal alloys to move the natural gas. So it’s not something that you could simply drop a grenade down at the end of a fish line and disrupt. That means it takes a certain amount of sophistication,” he added.

Macgregor suggested that the motive behind the attacks was to prevent Germany from bailing on the Ukraine war after Berlin began “to give the impression that they were no longer going to go along with this proxy war in Ukraine.”'


https://summit.news/2022/10/03/form...ked-nord-stream-pipelines-to-isolate-germany/


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'A former Pentagon advisor says the most likely culprits behind the Nord Stream pipeline blasts are the United States and Britain, and that the attack was carried out to prevent Germany from bailing on the war in Ukraine.

Retired US Army colonel Douglas Macgregor made the comments during an appearance on the Judging Freedom podcast.

Macgregor said a process of elimination rules out Germany, because they are dependent on Nord Stream for their energy security, while it also served no benefit for Russia to have sabotaged its own infrastructure.

“Would the Russians destroy their own pipeline? 40 percent of Russian gross national product or gross domestic product consists of foreign currency that comes into the country to purchase natural gas, oil, coal and so forth. So the Russians did not do this. The notion that they did I think is absurd,” Macgregor said.'


...

'However, citing reports that more than 500 kg of TNT had been detected in both explosions, the former Pentagon advisor suggested only the United States and British Royal Navy had the capability to pull off the attack.

“Then you have to look at who are the state actors that have the capability to do this. And that means the Royal Navy, the United States Navy Special Operations,” said Macgregor.


“I think that’s pretty clear. We know that thousands of pounds of TNT were used because these pipelines are enormously robust. You have several inches of concrete around various metal alloys to move the natural gas. So it’s not something that you could simply drop a grenade down at the end of a fish line and disrupt. That means it takes a certain amount of sophistication,” he added.

Macgregor suggested that the motive behind the attacks was to prevent Germany from bailing on the Ukraine war after Berlin began “to give the impression that they were no longer going to go along with this proxy war in Ukraine.”'


https://summit.news/2022/10/03/form...ked-nord-stream-pipelines-to-isolate-germany/

yes.

they don't care if europe freezes to death as long they get their war.


apparently we're a shitty ally.
:truestory:
 
Perhaps you could provide us with a link that factually proves that what he is saying is actually/technically erroneous?

I am guessing...you cannot.
Which would make your opinion - on this - worthless.

I am not saying he is right or wrong.
But it certainly makes MILES more sense that America/Britain would have done it?
Rather then Russia...blowing up their own pipeline.

First of all, why do you think only the US and Britain have that capability? Are France and Germany so completely backwards with their military? And then you think Russia can't do such a thing?

Why would it make sense for the US and Britain to blow up a pipeline that is not transporting any fuel? Russia can't sell its gas at full price and has the pipeline shut down so is getting no benefit from the pipeline. Sabotage would give them an excuse to not reopen the pipeline while at the same time trying to blame the US for the sabotage. While all the countries listed other than Germany would have a reason to do the sabotage, we don't know which one did and trying to claim Russia doesn't have the capability or a reason to do it would be ridiculous.
 
First of all, why do you think only the US and Britain have that capability? Are France and Germany so completely backwards with their military? And then you think Russia can't do such a thing?

Why would it make sense for the US and Britain to blow up a pipeline that is not transporting any fuel? Russia can't sell its gas at full price and has the pipeline shut down so is getting no benefit from the pipeline. Sabotage would give them an excuse to not reopen the pipeline while at the same time trying to blame the US for the sabotage. While all the countries listed other than Germany would have a reason to do the sabotage, we don't know which one did and trying to claim Russia doesn't have the capability or a reason to do it would be ridiculous.

why would germany bomb it's own fuel supply line?
 

Yeah.. Maybe you should catch up on the news..

BERLIN, Feb 22 (Reuters) - Germany on Tuesday halted the Nord Stream 2 Baltic Sea gas pipeline project, designed to double the flow of Russian gas direct to Germany, after Russia formally recognised two breakaway regions in eastern Ukraine.
https://www.reuters.com/business/en...halts-nord-stream-2-certification-2022-02-22/

Nordstream 2 was never operational. Why would the US damage a pipeline that has never carried any fuel and Germany canceled?
 
the US is the only one who gains from this action as it makes our LNG Germany's only source of energy.

Russia gets no propaganda benefit by being able to claim that the US is attacking Russia? The US isn't in a position to supply Germany's LNG this winter. It would be a horrible mistake for the US to force German citizens to freeze by destroying a pipeline that could prevent that. While Trump might be stupid enough to order it, I doubt Biden is.
 
'A former Pentagon advisor says the most likely culprits behind the Nord Stream pipeline blasts are the United States and Britain, and that the attack was carried out to prevent Germany from bailing on the war in Ukraine.

Retired US Army colonel Douglas Macgregor made the comments during an appearance on the Judging Freedom podcast.

Macgregor said a process of elimination rules out Germany, because they are dependent on Nord Stream for their energy security, while it also served no benefit for Russia to have sabotaged its own infrastructure.

“Would the Russians destroy their own pipeline? 40 percent of Russian gross national product or gross domestic product consists of foreign currency that comes into the country to purchase natural gas, oil, coal and so forth. So the Russians did not do this. The notion that they did I think is absurd,” Macgregor said.'


...

'However, citing reports that more than 500 kg of TNT had been detected in both explosions, the former Pentagon advisor suggested only the United States and British Royal Navy had the capability to pull off the attack.

“Then you have to look at who are the state actors that have the capability to do this. And that means the Royal Navy, the United States Navy Special Operations,” said Macgregor.


“I think that’s pretty clear. We know that thousands of pounds of TNT were used because these pipelines are enormously robust. You have several inches of concrete around various metal alloys to move the natural gas. So it’s not something that you could simply drop a grenade down at the end of a fish line and disrupt. That means it takes a certain amount of sophistication,” he added.

Macgregor suggested that the motive behind the attacks was to prevent Germany from bailing on the Ukraine war after Berlin began “to give the impression that they were no longer going to go along with this proxy war in Ukraine.”'


https://summit.news/2022/10/03/form...ked-nord-stream-pipelines-to-isolate-germany/
He‘s a Trumper, of course he’s going to make such an accusation.

„McGregor has been popping up on various Fox News programs since the invasion, mostly to shill for Putin at a time when he’s unleashing hell on one of America’s allies.“

https://www.rollingstone.com/politi...ws-tucker-carlson-russia-ukraine-1318143/amp/

 
'A former Pentagon advisor says the most likely culprits behind the Nord Stream pipeline blasts are the United States and Britain, and that the attack was carried out to prevent Germany from bailing on the war in Ukraine.

Retired US Army colonel Douglas Macgregor made the comments during an appearance on the Judging Freedom podcast.

Macgregor said a process of elimination rules out Germany, because they are dependent on Nord Stream for their energy security, while it also served no benefit for Russia to have sabotaged its own infrastructure.

“Would the Russians destroy their own pipeline? 40 percent of Russian gross national product or gross domestic product consists of foreign currency that comes into the country to purchase natural gas, oil, coal and so forth. So the Russians did not do this. The notion that they did I think is absurd,” Macgregor said.'


...

'However, citing reports that more than 500 kg of TNT had been detected in both explosions, the former Pentagon advisor suggested only the United States and British Royal Navy had the capability to pull off the attack.

“Then you have to look at who are the state actors that have the capability to do this. And that means the Royal Navy, the United States Navy Special Operations,” said Macgregor.


“I think that’s pretty clear. We know that thousands of pounds of TNT were used because these pipelines are enormously robust. You have several inches of concrete around various metal alloys to move the natural gas. So it’s not something that you could simply drop a grenade down at the end of a fish line and disrupt. That means it takes a certain amount of sophistication,” he added.

Macgregor suggested that the motive behind the attacks was to prevent Germany from bailing on the Ukraine war after Berlin began “to give the impression that they were no longer going to go along with this proxy war in Ukraine.”'


https://summit.news/2022/10/03/form...ked-nord-stream-pipelines-to-isolate-germany/




https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Macgregor




This asshole is a Russian shill



He goes on Russian Tv and trashes America all the time you idiot traitor
 
Iraq War
In 2004, Macgregor stated that he strongly supported war against Iraq, and regretted that the US had not enacted regime change in Iraq in 1991.[29] During the beginning of the Iraq War, Macgregor disagreed with those who wanted to slow the advance into Baghdad in order to fight Fedayeen paramilitary forces.[30] In 2006, after seven retired generals criticized then Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld's handling of the war, Macgregor faulted the generals themselves for poor war planning and the resulting complications in Iraq.[31] In 2008, Macgregor stated that he would argue that American military action in Iraq and Afghanistan "has produced very serious and negative consequences for American national-security interests".[32] Macgregor's 2009 book, Warrior's Rage: The Great Tank Battle of 73 Easting, argues that the failure to finish the battle with the Republican Guard in 1991 led to Iraq's second major confrontation with the United States in 2003.

Macgregor says that David Petraeus, Martin Dempsey, and other generals consistently exaggerated or falsified the effectiveness of the Iraqi army because "the generals were simply cultivating their Bush administration sponsors in pursuit of further promotion".[33]

By 2020, his website called the war in Iraq a failure.[19]

Kosovo War
In 2014, Macgregor went on Russian state-owned RT to express his opposition to U.S. intervention in the Kosovo War.[19]

Ukraine and Russia
2014 Russian annexation of Crimea
In 2014, after Russia annexed Crimea and was engaged in a conflict with Ukraine over its eastern parts, Macgregor appeared on Russian state-owned network RT where he called for the annexation of the Donbas and said residents of the region "are in fact Russians, not Ukrainians, and at the same time, you have Ukrainians in the west and in the north, who are not Russians."[19][34]

2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine
After Russia's invasion of Ukraine in February 2022, Macgregor appeared on three Fox News programs to speak in support of Russia's actions. Russian state television broadcast excerpts of Macgregor's appearances, which included a characterization of Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelenskyy as a "puppet," that Russian forces had been "too gentle" in the early days of the invasion and that Russian president Vladimir Putin was being "demonized" by the United States and NATO. Macgregor said he believed Russia should be allowed to seize whatever parts of Ukraine it wanted. After one of his appearances, Macgregor's comments were characterized by veteran Fox News Pentagon correspondent Jennifer Griffin as "appeasement" and that he was being an "apologist" for Putin. After Griffin's remarks, Tucker Carlson — who hosted Macgregor on two successive nights — remarked, "Unlike many of the so-called reporters you see on television, he is not acting secretly as a flack for Lloyd Austin at the Pentagon. No, Doug Macgregor is an honest man." Trey Gowdy, another Fox News host who interviewed Macgregor, said his viewpoint was "stunning and disappointing."[35][36][37][38] U.S. representative Liz Cheney said of Macgregor "This is the Putin wing of the GOP."[39]
 
So you are saying that Russia is so incompetent militarily that they can't blow up a pipeline?

That's exactly what they are saying.

Additionally, they're saying the Russians are wimps who let the US attack them and they refuse to do anything about it.

If Russia attacked one of our pipelines, it'd be an act of war. If anyone attacked a Russian pipeline, it, too, is an act of war. No different from sinking one of their ships.

There's no doubt in my mind that Putin had this done to send a message to those supporting Ukraine.
 
He’s fucking Russian owned
A slight clarfication.

McGregor is Trump-owned. It's Trump that's Russian owned.

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